sorry wanted to edit but clicked qoute...
Help me understand. You are actually arguing that since non-muslims can't enter 2 cities (which are not even the largest cities), that somehow should mean that non-muslims should not be given any citizenship rights to the whole of Kingdom?
thandy mazak: oh hooo... what will teh non muslims do in mecca and medina anywas.. there is absolutely nothing there to see excpet for teh mosques...hell even some musilms find it a boring place to be...
i havent met a single westerner who wanted to go to mecca or medina... tho aap fikar na karo unki :)
how u treat a person shows them what class of citizens they are...muslims are beign treated like crap in teh western world.. should tehy start to feel like second class citizens? are any of them packin their bags and comin back home? nopes... they are suriving.. and so teh non muslims of arabia will too (and in a far better way then those muslims in teh west)...
p.s) there must be somethin "hot" bout arabia ... i mean it makes ppl run here and stay for decades... even after the recent wave of terrorist attacks.. westerners are more then reluctant to leave .... so i guess arabia is somethin more than a dry area of land :p
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Help me understand. You are actually arguing that since non-muslims can't enter 2 cities (which are not even the largest cities), that somehow should mean that non-muslims should not be given any citizenship rights to the whole of Kingdom?
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they might not be largest cities but they are large and do have an even larger image and role especially in saudia. so imagine 'citizens' of a country not being allowed in two cities of that country..is that not official distinction of second class citizenry?
and most of the non citizens in the country r in there for money, if the companies stopped paying westerners the high amount of money do you think they would stay?
and non muslims can always sell stuff, so you bet if given a chance, they will want to come to makkah, especially during hajj....lots of pilgrims means lots of customers.
and yes i know of many ppl who HAVE packed their bags and left for homes...so there you go, you qoute of your experience and i qouted mine...none has evidence so we cant refute each other on this issue atleast.
when they run out oil they may seek pakistan citizenship
non muslim means non saudi means not being able to buy any property or businesses (this hasnt even been talked bout in teh new citizenship law).. so even if tehy DO become saudis… still wont be able to run busineses.. meaning no use of goin to mecca or medina… and fyi.. mecca and medina arent teh places to shop when ppl come for hajj.. its jeddah… thats where most of the actoin takes place.. very minimal amt of shoppin takes place in those 2 cities :halo:
as for westernes stayin put cuz of the salary.. that and the fact that tehy are treated like gods… which makes them feel happy and nice bout the kingdom… not being able to go to mecca or madina doesnt even cross their minds… it really is all bout the way the host country treats u.. u get respect and treated right.. its more than enuff to make u feel like a frist class citizen 
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*Originally posted by ThandyMazaq: *
and yes i know of many ppl who HAVE packed their bags and left for homes...so there you go, .
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exactly.. tehy left cuz they were being treated like crap... show me someone who left just cuz they werent allowed to enter a small city.
they allow infidel German mechanic to fix saptco bus when it breaksdown
in makkah under the cover of darkness
and those infidels are kept under a strict watch...
next..
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*Originally posted by khawateen: *
and those infidels are kept under a strict watch...
next..
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what is there to watch they are working for a salary .
nothin really.. u just made it seem like a breakthru... like " AHA! i am in.. what wil u arabs do now" :D
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*Originally posted by khawateen: *
nothin really.. u just made it seem like a breakthru... like " AHA! i am in.. what wil u arabs do now" :D
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it is like forbidden fruit .