...Kids at Masjid...

ughhhhh not that again!!!
please, shakira baji just stick to the topic of idiot desi kids and leave slutty hijabis out of it, for now, plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
shukria :blush: :slight_smile:

Yeah, that’s a different but very messed up topic, just like kids in the masjid, people coming up with their own version of Islam, girls in Hijab, and much more.

I had heard my whole life that to grow a bread is a sunnat but yesterday, I read in the Islamic Center posted on the bulletin board without a reference (it was printed from internet, and by their “click here to listen to this in urdu”, I could tell this is written by some Pakistani Molvi), they said to grow a beard is a must, it’s a farz :confused:

have u ever thot bout why is something sunnat or farz?
i think that a large part of Islam that is appealing is that everything has a reason. There is a logical, non-spiritual reason for doing a lot of things, reasons that a non-Muslim could understand. like wearing hijab is logical coz ur not just a body thats used to sell motorcycles and stuff just to name an example, or how ur not supposed to even look at a membef of the opposite sex, or the whole Music-is-haram thing. but a beard, i don’t know…
and plus i’ve heard that sunnat isn’t really optional, even sunnat is farz :konfused:

See that's the thing. What I've always heard is this:

You get sawab if you do a sunnah, but it's not a must. If it were a must, it would already be a farz.

Farz are set by Allah.
Sunnah is something that the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) did.

So sunnahs are preferatory, which means it's preferred that you copy Prophet (PBUH) and you'll get reward for that, but you don't HAVE TO do it. Just like in prayers, a lot of people just pray farz because those are what we'll be asked for. A few people read sunnah before/after farz as well, and that's because Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) used to pray before the farz, so people started to copy him.

That's according to my knowledge and understandings, someone correct me if I am wrong.

Shikra,

I agree that money should be better spent elsewhere. Perhaps someone would be kind enough to volunteer their time and take care of the kids while everyone else prays. For example women who cant pray during that time that come with their kids and/or husbands.

If you tell the parents, and insist their kids be taught better manners, and they dont do that, and continually bring them to the masjid, what else is there to do? If you ask them week after week to please control their children, and it doesnt affect the situation, what is there to do? I think the babysitter idea is the best alternative in this situation. Again, its just an idea. smile

Munni, Your idea is great and I really like and appreciate it. Babysitter or a volunteer to babysit them, same thing. As I mentioned above, I gave the idea to the Imam that one of the volunteer (who monitor the parking lot etc.) could take all the kids outside of the masjid (it's not cold yet) and he said he had given up. He also said that he doesn't even want to ask people to keep their children under control and I don't blame him. The more he will repeat himself, the more people will ignore and get ticked off, and the more they'll hate him for not liking their precious kids.

Now, as far as the idea of me or anyone else talking to their parents is concerned, unfortunately, that's not possible. Why is not that possible? Because when parents refuse to ask their kids to stay quiet or when they don't bring them to pray in the prayer hall, how would one know who is whose child? Like I said before, they simply bring their children in the Masjid, let them loose, and become care-free. They don't care where their children are or what they are doing. IF they were to atleast go talk to their kids or give other people a chance to recognize which kid's dad is who, then I can talk to the parents. If I don't know who the parents are, it's a little bit difficult to talk to them because they never want to associate or have anything to do with their children at the Masjid.

As far as the aunties are concerned, LOL, I think instead of babysitting, they'll make even more noise because that's what they do the minute we finish the prayer. Now you said "women who can't pray", there are 2 catagories. 1. Women can't pray because they are menstruating, in that case they should be staying at home. 2. Women can't pray because they come there to chit chat or just to sit and see other friends, they should stay at home as well. Because if a women comes to the masjid, even with her kids or hubby, then she should pray. If she's not pure, then it's better that she stays at home. So that eliminates that option.

Yes, the babysitting idea is brilliant but what can I do, the Imam has given up and I guess there must not by any additional funds to teach people basic simple manners.

And talking to you reminds me of something and I'll do that right now clown