how would people rate him. I am not interested in sectarian debate..how do ppl from diff places and of diff perspectives view him as a leader. How was he good/bad for Iran and Iranians, how was he good/bad for the rest of the world.
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Held on a leash by the hardliners but gave people hope and that spark hasn't gone out.
utd i think you are confusing khamenei..with khomeini, I am talking about the person who led the Iranian revolution and ousted Reza Shah pehalvi's monarchy. Maybe I should have said Ayotollah..but then there are so many ayotollahs around.
Thanks, im a jackass.
A very good friend of my family is from an Iranian sunni family that was expelled from Iran by the ayatollahs during the Revolution.
Despite that, he has nothing but utmost respect and reverence for Khomeini, and says that Khomeini's fault was being too trusting of his co-Revolutionaried who were corrupt and power-mad.
My friend believes Khomeini's accomplices were to blame for Iran's problems, not Khomeini himself.
^Why was the iranian sunni family expelled? curious
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You’re both wrong, its Khatemi. 
errr so is the person named Ayatollah Ali Khamenei a figment of my imagination. I thogught thats the person UTD confused khomeini with due to similarity in names.
Maddie
I actually saw Khomeini in Makkah, back in the early 80's, the security was big time and he was doing sa'ee escorted by some guards etc, but there were other pilgrims around as well. I dont recall if it was for Hajj or for an Umrah though.
I dont know about him as a leader, but the Iranians that I knew despised the regime in general, saying that even the most anti-Shah among them did not think that things could get worse, but they did when his regime took over. The persecution of minorities was one thing, but the Taleban like approach to running the country was the reason many people left..and these are not what some may say out-there ppl who could not live under his rule, but religious conservative families who left because of how it was being forced upon them.
Dont know how much of it was his doing and how much was his associates in the govt. I guess ultimately the responsibility is with teh top leader.
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Maddie
I actually saw Khomeini in Makkah, back in the early 80's, the security was big time and he was doing sa'ee escorted by some guards etc, but there were other pilgrims around as well. I dont recall if it was for Hajj or for an Umrah though.
I dont know about him as a leader, but the Iranians that I knew despised the regime in general, saying that even the most anti-Shah among them did not think that things could get worse, but they did when his regime took over. The persecution of minorities was one thing, but the Taleban like approach to running the country was the reason many people left..and these are not what some may say out-there ppl who could not live under his rule, but religious conservative families who left because of how it was being forced upon them.
Dont know how much of it was his doing and how much was his associates in the govt. I guess ultimately the responsibility is with teh top leader.
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confused what was being forced upon them why did they leave? Persecution of minorities?- details? like what?
ok .. time to get some clarifications.. i don't know much about Khomeini.. was he a grass roots leader?? did he fill the power vaccuum from within Iran or was he one of the many 'pseudo America hating dictators' waiting on the sidelines to take over once the 'overtly America supporting' dictator faces a revolt??
Is it true that Khomeini was in France and on some Intelligence Agency payroll or was he always in Iran fighting the righteous war againt Shah's oppression?
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errr so is the person named Ayatollah Ali Khamenei a figment of my imagination. I thogught thats the person UTD confused khomeini with due to similarity in names.
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Ayatollah Khamenei is the spiritual leader of Iran, just like Ayatollah Khomeini was. Khatemi is the elected president who is seen as the 'reformer'. I believe thats who UTD was talking about.
PA: In a nutshell, Ayatollah Khomeini was the initiater and the motivater of the revolution. I dont know what u mean by grass root but he had mass support from the huge majority of the people. The reason he was in paris was because he was exiled from Iran. It was from there, that he communicated through the media to the Iranian people to uprise against the Shah. On his return from Paris, the masses proved that this was a popular revolution and not an enforced one.
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^Why was the iranian sunni family expelled? *curious
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His grandfather was the leader of an influential Sufi tariqqa in the Kurdish north of Iran, and commanded the loyalty of a very large number of sufi, sunni Kurds.
One of the early acts of the Iranian revolutionary regime was to crack down on the sunni religious leadership of Iran, and this particular family's expulsion was part of that. Despite that, it seems that no-one in this particular family ever blamed Ayatollah Khomeini for what happened to them, and maintain that it was those who Khomeini trusted who betrayed that trust and carried out such acts.
Interestingly enough, my friend absolutely loves Ayatollah Khomeini, but utterly hates his successor, Ayatollah Khameini.
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confused what was being forced upon them why did they leave? Persecution of minorities?- details? like what?
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read maddies response above. similar things
Why did the Iranian leadership had to crack down on the sunni religious leadership of Iran? What exactly is the reason they don’t blame him for what happened to them?
still confused
Ayyotollah Khomeni was both dare but religiopus fanatic.he was dare because he dared to oust the shah out from power and he courageously led the Iranian forces to neck to neck battle with Iraq despite early setbacks cause by an unexpected Iraqi attack.
He was fanatic for the reason that he had propelled his revolutionary supporters to put embargo on U.S consulate in Tehran back in 1978 and his infamous fatwa'on Salman Ruhddie.(Thefatwa' has turned out to be a fiasco as none of Khomenis supporter could execute that )
I think he had too much bites on religious principles that he raised his tongue against the western world especially against America.
those were my colege days. everyday we were getting news of iran problem, self styled sharryat courts, immidiate decisions and execution of decisions, jughe, evidence and executers were were same people.
i heard a sikh student sayng....whatever is going on in iran, people will hate not khomeini but islam itself.
if i have to choose between religion and culture, i will choose culture.