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At least you agree that 1000 people have died in Lal masjid.
No I dont... I just dont care... Overly religous people like you need every last straw to clutch to.
Who ever died were terrorists and they deserve it... Anyone who defaces Islam the way they did in the lal Masjid, deserves to be finished dont you agree? For the sake of Islam?
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No I dont... I just dont care... Overly religous people like you need every last straw to clutch to. Who ever died were terrorists and they deserve it... Anyone who defaces Islam the way they did in the lal Masjid, deserves to be finished dont you agree? For the sake of Islam?
Look who's talking.
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Look who's talking.
I love Islam.. I always support Muslims... I dont support terrorists.
So dont you agree that people like the Lal Mosque wala, ninjas and all were destroying Islam, and deserve to be finished? They threatened suicide bombings, they are murderers, they deserve to be finished of no?
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I love Islam.. I always support Muslims
So do I.
... I dont support terrorists.
Neither do I.
So dont you agree that people like the Lal Mosque wala, ninjas and all were destroying Islam,
I believe they were simple and they were sincere to Islam, some of their actions were not Islamic but they did Love Islam and they were muslims more than me and you.
and deserve to be finished?
No, not like this.
They threatened suicide bombings,
Yes they did threat of suicide bombings and I disagree with them in that matter.
they are murderers, they deserve to be finished of no?
They didn't murder anyone untill before Government dicided to murder them.
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So do I.
Neither do I.
I believe they were simple and they were sincere to Islam, some of their actions were not Islamic but they did Love Islam and they were muslims more than me and you.
No, not like this.
Yes they did threat of suicide bombings and I disagree with them in that matter.
They didn't murder anyone untill before Government dicided to murder them.
These people are destroying the image of Islam Hareem, they are a threat to Islam, they wont be arrested and they wont change their minds.. Whats left?
There sincere only in commiting murder, they are evil.. You should realize that..
They forced the govt to have to murder them... REMEMBER, They attacked the Paramilitary first, THEY then caused the siege, and then they were the ones who did all the murdering... If they hadnt instigated the fight, the govt would never have had to attack them! Did you forget the time line so soon?
Basically these people asked for everyhting they got, you should support the govt against driving such people away... I think you just support them because the claim to be Muslims.
And dont forget, it was the govt that was trying to save them, they just wanted to end the siege.... The Lal badmash were the ones out to do the killling, just as that ninja beech mentioned in the other thread that she wanted to be "martyr."
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These people are destroying the image of Islam Hareem, they are a threat to Islam, they wont be arrested and they wont change their minds.. Whats left? There sincere only in commiting murder, they are evil.. You should realize that..
They forced the govt to have to murder them... REMEMBER, They attacked the Paramilitary first, THEY then caused the siege, and then they were the ones who did all the murdering... If they hadnt instigated the fight, the govt would never have had to attack them! Did you forget the time line so soon? Basically these people asked for everyhting they got, you should support the govt against driving such people away... I think you just support them because the claim to be Muslims.
And dont forget, it was the govt that was trying to save them, they just wanted to end the siege.... The Lal badmash were the ones out to do the killling, just as that ninja beech mentioned in the other thread that she wanted to be "martyr."
I don't support anyone.......but I condemn the killings of 1000 women and children in Lal masjid, and who started shooting first? we don't know.
But Ghazi brothers are also responcible for these killings because they knew that Musharraf is a tyrant and he will eventually kill them. But Government started this all by destroying a legal mosque Amir Hamza.
And about defacing Islam, I believe Our Leaders are more responcible for it than anyone else.
And most importantly killings and more killings(by government or by civillians) will not bring any benefit to Islam or Pakistan.
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I believe they were simple and they were sincere to Islam, some of their actions were not Islamic but they did Love Islam and they were muslims more than me and you.
So were the 9/11 Terrorists, Madrid, London, they were also sincere and loved Islam too?
They didn't murder anyone untill before Government decided to murder them.
Yes an Armed Bank Robber who has taken over a mosque is also innocent but if the police confronts him and kills him, he is also innocent
Brilliant Logic
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I don't support anyone.......but I condemn the killings of 1000 women and children in Lal masjid, and who started shooting first? we don't know.
There weren't thousands of people in the Mosque. That is a fantasy which you have concocted to serve your purpose.
But Ghazi brothers are also responcible for these killings because they knew that Musharraf is a tyrant and he will eventually kill them. But Government started this all by destroying a legal mosque Amir Hamza.
That mosque was illegal. It was constructed there in a bid to take over land. Ghazi were terrorists and deserved their fate. Musharraf is a tyrant?
Maybe thats why this went on for 6 months. Any other middle eastern dictator would have have acted a lot sooner than negotiate for 6 months.
And about defacing Islam, I believe Our Leaders are more responcible for it than anyone else.
And how are they defacing Islam?
And most importantly killings and more killings(by government or by civillians) will not bring any benefit to Islam or Pakistan.
And you by supporting these terrorist animals will give these terrorists the life blood to continue their savage attacks....
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So were the 9/11 Terrorists, Madrid, London, they were also sincere and loved Islam too?
Off topic
Yes an Armed Bank Robber who has taken over a mosque is also innocent but if the police confronts him and kills him, he is also innocent
Brilliant Logic
Hafiz Rashid Ghazi was not an Armed Bank Robber.
There weren't thousands of people in the Mosque. That is a fantasy which you have concocted to serve your purpose.
No, this isn't a fantasy, but you are denying the facts to serve your ego.
That mosque was illegal. It was constructed there in a bid to take over land. Ghazi were terrorists and deserved their fate. Musharraf is a tyrant?
Masjid Amir Hamza wasn't illegal.
Maybe thats why this went on for 6 months. Any other middle eastern dictator would have have acted a lot sooner than negotiate for 6 months.
So the government wasted its 6 months? I wonder how many years we have wasted in negotiations with non-muslims?
And how are they defacing Islam?
By portraying religious people as bad, jahil and terrorists in the media.
And you by supporting these terrorist animals will give these terrorists the life blood to continue their savage attacks....
Did you read what I wrote?
And most importantly killings and more killings(by government or by civillians) will not bring any benefit to Islam or Pakistan.
* *
I condemn all the killings of innocent people by government or by civillians.
* *
* *
Understand?
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I don't support anyone.......but I condemn the killings of 1000 women and children in Lal masjid, and who started shooting first? we don't know. But Ghazi brothers are also responcible for these killings because they knew that Musharraf is a tyrant and he will eventually kill them. But Government started this all by destroying a legal mosque Amir Hamza. And about defacing Islam, I believe Our Leaders are more responcible for it than anyone else. And most importantly killings and more killings(by government or by civillians) will not bring any benefit to Islam or Pakistan.
Terrorists are terrorsits, be they women or children... If a child with a suicide jacket tries to attack a checkpost, I would expect them to shoot him or her aswell... No distinction here.
Besides.. Pak govt did all that could be expected of them to save these scum... If they want to be "shaheed," the you should support their death!
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Off topic
Hafiz Rashid Ghazi was not an Armed Bank Robber.
No, this isn't a fantasy, but you are denying the facts to serve your ego.
Masjid Amir Hamza wasn't illegal.
So the government wasted its 6 months? I wonder how many years we have wasted in negotiations with non-muslims?
By portraying religious people as bad, jahil and terrorists in the media.
Did you read what I wrote? And most importantly killings and more killings(by government or by civillians) will not bring any benefit to Islam or Pakistan. * * I condemn all the killings of innocent people by government or by civillians. * * * * Understand?
How is he of topic with the question regarding the 9/11, londan and madrid terrorists.. They were also sincer Muslims, do you support them for that sincerity?
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How is he of topic with the question regarding the 9/11, londan and madrid terrorists.. They were also sincer Muslims, do you support them for that sincerity?
No, I don't support them. Satisfied?
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Hafiz Rashid Ghazi was not an Armed Bank Robber.
But he surrounded himself with terrorists who were killing people, kidnapping people, promising attacks, set up a kangaroo court undermining the sovereignty of Pakistan. You may not find these things serious but I do.
No, this isn't a fantasy, but you are denying the facts to serve your ego.
So you have actually seen the bodies? you have actually met all the 1,000 relatives of the people who have died? You have cataloged the names, dna and fingerprints of every single person who died and you also know which circumstance those people died?
Who is living in a fantasy now....
Masjid Amir Hamza wasn't illegal.
Absolutely it was. It was build over disputed land in a bid by a person to take over land. Lal Masjid idiots without thinking jumped on this bandwagon.
So the government wasted its 6 months? I wonder how many years we have wasted in negotiations with non-muslims?
And in those 6 months, they were kidnapping people, killing people, setting fires to buildings, openly challenging the authority of the government of Pakistan.
By portraying religious people as bad, jahil and terrorists in the media.
Well thats because they are. They revel in conspiracy theories, they blame the Jews and Hindus for everything wrong, they hide behind Islam when they commit terrorist acts. and they probably won't let you use the internet either.
Did you read what I wrote? And most importantly killings and more killings(by government or by civillians) will not bring any benefit to Islam or Pakistan.
*I condemn all the killings of innocent people by government or by civillians. *
By that you are implying that all the people who died in the Lal Mosque were innocent and you condemn that. Well I don't. Some people deserve to die and the Lal Mosque terrorists certainly qualify.
Understand?
From What I have understood, Pakistan is in serious trouble if people started listening to you
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No, I don't support them. Satisfied?
From your views, I bet you would but the threat of CIA, MI5 -----> Guantanemo is scaring you. What happened to the bravery mrs. muslim?
Btw, I haven't seen you criticize the suicide bombings. I don't want to say something as one "mod" bhai doesn't like it but you british paks have made us all pakistanis look like some barbaric mongols! I think it is high time we start using force like the deobandi / wahabis have be it dealing with true ahle-sunnah or killing the people of mecca when the sauds took over. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
You people have disqualified yourself from every criticizing MQM and any other entity based on HYPOCRISY shown these days. Don't you "religious people" know that lieing is one of the worst sins in islam?
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these people are hiding behind the viel of islam and destroying our country internaly. They think only those people who died in lal masjid were innocent and killing those innocent bystanders (women and childre) who were blown away by suicide bombers is Ok...but infact these people who think like that should be monitored Closely by federal government agencies.
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are u defending his actions? 
whats wrong with u?
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But he surrounded himself with terrorists who were killing people, kidnapping people, promising attacks, set up a kangaroo court undermining the sovereignty of Pakistan. You may not find these things serious but I do.
no, they didn't kill anyone.
So you have actually seen the bodies? you have actually met all the 1,000 relatives of the people who have died? You have cataloged the names, dna and fingerprints of every single person who died and you also know which circumstance those people died?
Who is living in a fantasy now....
No, I haven't seen those "saved 1000 women and children" in the media. Have you?
Absolutely it was. It was build over disputed land in a bid by a person to take over land. Lal Masjid idiots without thinking jumped on this bandwagon.
No, Masjid amir Hamza was build on a legal land. You need to update the info you've got.
And in those 6 months, they were kidnapping people, killing people, setting fires to buildings, openly challenging the authority of the government of Pakistan.
They did not kill anyone.
Well thats because they are. They revel in conspiracy theories, they blame the Jews and Hindus for everything wrong, they hide behind Islam when they commit terrorist acts. and they probably won't let you use the internet either.
Fox news.
By that you are implying that all the people who died in the Lal Mosque were innocent and you condemn that. Well I don't. Some people deserve to die and the Lal Mosque terrorists certainly qualify.
1000 women and children were surely innocent.
From What I have understood, Pakistan is in serious trouble if people started listening to you
Pakistanis who live in Pakistan have better understanding of whats happening with them than me and you.
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From your views, I bet you would but the threat of CIA, MI5 -----> Guantanemo is scaring you. What happened to the bravery mrs. muslim?
I'm only scared of my God.
Btw, I haven't seen you criticize the suicide bombings.
so you haven't seen me doing that and it makes me what? Read my Posts.
I don't want to say something as one "mod" bhai doesn't like it but you british paks have made us all pakistanis look like some barbaric mongols! I think it is high time we start using force like the deobandi / wahabis have be it dealing with true ahle-sunnah or killing the people of mecca when the sauds took over. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!
british paks? I'm not british.
You people have disqualified yourself from every criticizing MQM and any other entity based on HYPOCRISY shown these days. Don't you "religious people" know that lieing is one of the worst sins in islam?
Oh no.....another MQM supporter.
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no, they didn't kill anyone.
Yes they did. They killed a couple of Cops who were at the check posts of the Lal Masjid.
No, I haven't seen those "saved 1000 women and children" in the media. Have you?
Well maybe there weren't 1,000 women and children in the mosque then.
No, Masjid amir Hamza was build on a legal land. You need to update the info you've got.
Info updated. Your info needs to come from more reliable sources.
They did not kill anyone.
They killed 2 Cops before the siege began.
Fox news.
Typical answer for everything by a mullah loving person.
1000 women and children were surely innocent.
Yes but were they in the mosque. How do you know they were in there?
Pakistanis who live in Pakistan have better understanding of whats happening with them than me and you.
Well since I have a lot of contacts in Pakistan. I have a lot of friends in Islamabad who were giving me up to date information on everything. I also read many different newspapers. My uncle is in the ISI. He was the lead ISI agent who captured Khalid Sheikh Muhammed. My uncle's father in law was the former head of ISI.
So please, don't presume to question my knowledge.
Just because I hate Mullah and support Mush doesn't mean I watch Fox News. That is just a typical response which has become so over used that it not even effective or even funny anymore. Its infact quite boring.
Please approach it from a different angle.
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My uncle is in the ISI. He was the lead ISI agent who captured Khalid Sheikh Muhammed. My uncle's father in law was the former head of ISI..
dang bro, why did ya hafta tell..now ppl will be scared to talk to you.