anand,
Admit that inside you are a Pakistani and a Muslim. :)
Its ok, we won't tease you anymore.
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To some extent Islam is much more capable of creating fanatics in comparison to other religions. Do you agree?
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anand bhayya i owe u an explanation on that one but u say this is merely a pastime for u.well wat the hell ill give u one as soon as i type one that will comprise of the simplest of vocabulary and concepts for u to understand while u drink ur watever u drink
Anand quote: Really nice, that something you have accepted seriously, very seriously.
When someone tries to ridicule our faith than we WILL take it seriously. Especially when the person is making false statements about Islam. I suggest you refrain from any further comments about Islam otherwise YOU WILL BE COMPLETELY IGNORED in the future.. many of us have been kind enough to answer your line of questioning especially Nadia.
Anand quote: Why Islam, in your own words, is the most misunderstood religion?
Its misunderstood by ignaramouses such as yourself Anand!
Anand quote: or why Islam has created such an impression?
Islam has not created such an impression. Ignorant people such as yourself have!
Anand quote: To some extent Islam is much more capable of creating fanatics in comparison to other religions. Do you agree?
Simple answer NO !
Anand quote: It does not mean that all become fanatics after learning quran and Islam. There is a difference.
The only fanatic I see at the moment is you Anand. So I repeat STOP this charade of yours !
**Anand quote: Do you know the day Salman Rushdie was issued a death fatwa by your revered teacher of Islam Ayatollah Khomeiny **
Ayotollah Khomeiny is not Nadias or anyone elses leader for that matter. Pathetic comments from you as usual Anand !
Anand quote: Do you need more examples?
Nope, Ive seen enough thank you very much.
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Anand quote: PS. This gupshup.org is a good pastime for me.
I suggest if you want to have any further discussions with others in gupshup than learn to respect other peoples views and faith!
[This message has been edited by Dil he Pakistani (edited April 03, 2002).]
Anand
I have heard a lot of 'bull' in my days, and I must admit that your comments and reason of thought is in serious contention for number one spot.
This is in no way a personal attack on you. Just the plain old truth.
Maybe, when you are reincarnated, you will come back as a parrot!
Because you seem to repeat yourself day in day out, month in month out, year in and year out!
Ever considered meditation and isolating yourself from this world for a while!! A very very long while.
At least give us a new argument or issue for debate.
See Ya, Cuz I Wouldn't (Definitely) Wanna Be Ya!!
Dear anand, Your original question (and the implications you wish to draw from them) are very vague. Please be specific about what you want to know and we’ll try to the best of our ability to help you out. It is always very good to see someone so interested in Islam. Masha’llah.
Practically every chapter of the Quran opens up with the phrase "in the name of God, ** the most merciful, the most compassionate" **
The oft repeated phrase of mercy, compassion and love and tolerance is repeated throughout the Qur'an. Muslims are a diverse group, with a diverse set of beliefs. But the fundamentals remain the same amongst us all - and love is a central tenent, specifically love for God and within that realm, love for His creation. We were created as vice-regents of God - caretakers of the Earth.
Reflective of its tolerance, Islam is the only Abrahamic religion which permits the entry of Jews of Christians into heaven - Christianity and Judaism does not extend this privlidge to those outside its fold. Further reflection of tolerance is found in the teachings of the Prophets of Islam, and specifically Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). His was a life of love, compassion, forbearence, patience and mercy. Not a legacy of hate, war, revenge and violence - which is falsly associated with his message.
Sure, there is an element of resistence in Islam, which is unique. Justice is highly valued in Islam. And it is achieved at times through resistence, both spiritual and when the conditions permit physical. The conditions within which one can pursue physical struggle, include 1) self-defence, 2) oppression and removal from your home, 3) when you are being prevented from practicing your religion. And even than, Muslims have to adhere to strict rules of conduct, which includes such precepts as not harming civilians, women and children, not breaking buildings and not cutting trees.
Historically Muslims have lived in harmony with their neighbors and with non-Muslims who live amongst them. During the Spanish Inquisitions the Jews fled to the Muslim world and were granted refuge and solace. The short span of time that most refer to now, the past 50 years - which is used to define political Islam and its faults - denies the existence of hundreds of years of glorious rule, where Muslims fostered a society of tolerance and pluralism.
It is true that many Muslims use our religion for their own political purposes, to harm and kill their enemies. But the same can be said for other religions/ideologies. It is unfair to make the claim that Islam is more prone to violence, and cite September 11th as your defence. To do so is to ignore the past.
Even in the past 100 years violence at the hands of Muslims, pales in comparison to the carnage at the hands of non-Muslims - from the holocaust, to the Vietnam War, to the butchering of Muslims in Bosnia and Kosovo, to the deaths of innocents in Rawanda, to the recent deaths of Muslims in India, to the death and destruction of Afghanistan, to the massacres of the likes of Pol Pot and Pinochet - September 11th and all the misguided Jihads that came before it (and after it) are minimal - condemable yes but not comparable to the holocaust.
All ideologies, all belief systems, all religions preach the same love - but they can also be misconstrued and used for purposes of hate. Islam is no exception. But to make a blanket accusation against one of the greatest religions in the world, ignoring history, is sheer ignorance.
Achtung
ps. may I recommend that you read John Esposito's book - An Islamic Threat - Myth or Reality?
I of course do not agree with or think what Bin Laden does or represents is right, but I have to believe that he really thinks what he is doing is correct.
My understanding is that he comes from a very wealthy family, and he could easily be living the good and comfortable life, but yet he is living like an animal in the desert. That tells me that he must really be commited to his beliefs, regardless of how others see it.
Brenda McLennan
a quote by Malcom X
"There is nothing in our book, the Koran, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That’s a good religion."
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Hindus have a religious book ‘Shrimad Bhagwat Gita’ ot just ‘Gita’ in short, is also capable of creating a fanatic mind, to some extent. Killers of Mahatma Gandhi went to gallows carrying Gita in hand. They believed in the just cause of killing.
Christians have fought some deadly wars on the name of religion, but since the 20th century they left religion apart. Bible has nothing to do with violence, does not urge to kill the enemy.
Al Queda is a religious army of fanatics, belonging to no particular country. Many of Al Queda soldiers are brilliant young chaps from established families. What inspired them to join some looms on the name of religion, what reward they are expecting here or most probably in heaven or hell may be!
Religion is dear to you people, does it mean that the ideology behind is sacred and should not be questioned?
The impact of quran, its capability in developing a fanatic mind, is Al Queda not a stunning example?