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A party with a leader like Qazi, you dont even need to bother justifying anything. Qazi is just all talk, no action. Without an alliance, his party cant even muster 2-3 seats.
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....and i thought we are discussing " Jamaat-e-Islami a Terrorist organization OR not" and i dont know how the hell MQM was dragged into it???
Two wrongs can not make it right...
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Two wrongs can not make it right...
Because it was created as a 'diversion' from the MQM terorism/crime thread.
The whole picture needs to be taken into consideration
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and why cant we discuss MQM’s terrorism there and Jamat’s here ?
Reply to Jamat’s terror charges can not be “MQM bhee yee hee kertee hai” and nor it can be other way round. Better way would be to accuse and defend jamat here rather than accusing MQM or PP or some one else.
A better approuch would be to open just single thread “TERRORISM in KARACHI” and we can discuss all terror organizations like MQM, Jamat, PPP, PPI etc there as these all are linked to gather and all have their hands red in blood.
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“MQM was not created by the army. This is just another white lie of your PPP government. Did you know that when you support the PPP, you support the army which has colluded with PPP so many times before? The army and ISI did try to divide and destroy MQM but in the end they could not finish MQM. Why did you PPP support the murder of innocent Bengalis and Balochis led by Bhutto? And why did your PPP support the murder of innocent Mohajirs? You Sindhis have a lot of soul searching to do before you ask others about their problems. Start from within and ask yourselves why you Sindhis are still not sure what direction to go.
It was Sindhis led by GM Syed who were not happy in India and are not happy in Pakistan today? What is wrong with you Sindhis? Why could you not live in peace with Sindhi Hindus and had to join Muslim League?"
What a load of crap! MQM was created during Zia-ul-Haq rule. Again whom are you fooling? You know that without the approval/arshewar of estabilishment, you can not even breath! GM Syed is since dead. His followers are now very much limited. Sindh is the only Province in which Hindus live in peace. As regard Sindhis joining ML, there are millions of Sindhis still supporiting ML of Pagara or ML of Nawaz Sharif. There is nothing wrong with either Sindhis, Punjabis, Pathans, or Baluchis, it is you who have lots of problems with Pakistan, even grabbing others share, you are un-rest , un-happy and unsatisfied. Perhaps you will remain in this dynamic situation rest of your lives till you change your mind set.
FARID
Amen borham, MQM was created by PPP to break the hold of jamaat and other religious parties in Sindh's urdu speaking urban areas...remember Sindhi-mohajir bhai bhai, ajrak fad amongst mohajir jialays in the eighties and the fact that both are islam hating ethnic based parties with overt connections/links to India....
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Wikipedia… 
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MQM created by PPP now?
Soon, MQM will be created by Jews and aliens if mullah's keep thinking the way they do.
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JI a terrorist organization? No way!!
In the University of the Punjab and other educational institutions of Lahore, they are the guardians of student morality. If you don’t follow the rules set by them, you could be in a lot of trouble. Even the professors and other staff have to be careful lest you annoy some Jamati. If you annoy them, they have the right to harass you, slap you or even fracture your leg. (This use of terror is totally justified to run the university smoothly.) But once you join them, you don’t have to worry about any morality or ethics. They also love to act as the representatives of the university. Very nice and loving people, indeed. 
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One thing that I wont lie about, the JI (Jamaat) did play an important role in the 90s to keep the freedom movement in Kashmir in full swing. Say what you want about them, but they were very active and clear about it. However, things took a turn after 9/11 and that freedom movement has now been 'shaped' by the media and linked to all sorts of other stuff going on in the world, but the fact remains, the JI did spearhead the freedom movement in Kashmir by helping the Kashmiri freedom fighters back then. Credit must be given where its due.
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JI was also associated with Yahya Khan in the East Pakistan debacle, there too they were instrumental in providing lists and strong arm tactics (terrorist acts) against the nationalist forces. Kashmir movement was there well before JI got involved, if u had done your homework regarding the Kashmii movement u wud hv known that introduction of JI terrorist only jeopardized the movement. These thugs (JI) had no regard for local customs or traditions and introduced an extreme version of politics which was absent till their arrival. Had these morons not gone into Kashmir, this movement was wud have remained indeginous and who knows Kashmiris may have achieved some form of freedom. As it is today, because of the politics of violence introduced by JI terrorists courtesy of our stink tanks in Islamabad (mansoora), Kashmiri movement has gone nowhere and given the Indians anough ammunition to prove Pakistan as a state that sponsors terrorism, I hope u understand the absurdity of that policy. So what credit are u talking baout? Its all state propaganda which has brainwashed the masses in believeing that Pakistan has managed to achieve something, reality is very different and scary. Not only has JI terrorists failed, they are now being told to leave Kashmir by the kashmiris which is evidenced by the post linkingnJI leader (local) disassociating himself from the Hizbul Mujahideen.
Either u accept that Pakistan sponsored terroristt activities and give credit to JI or then accept the fact that it was a mistake of humungous proportions.
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East Pakistan etc has nothing to do with the Jamaat's struggle in Kashmir. Yes, it was them who played an important part in helping the Mujahideed in Kashmir, I have seen with my own eyes as to how the Jamaat back in the 90s worked dilligently for their cause. India can say what it wants now, because the politicial scenario after 9/11 worked to their advantage, but yes, the Jamaat did play an active role by supporting the Mujahideed throughout the 90s, and that is just about the only thing I actually praise the Jamaat for.
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Jammat is a terrorist organizaiton. When they support your punjabi/kashmiri cause, they are ok?
Why do you support terrorists like Jamaat?
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Why do you support terrorists like Jamaat?
So can you 'prove' the Jamaat is a terrorist organization my friend. I am not a jamaati nor do I support the Jamaat like you support the MQM. But I dont just deny outright facts, they did alot to help the Kashmiri Mujahideen, which might be something that you or alot of people might consider 'terrorism', but I dont. You guys can call the Kashmiri Mujhahideed terrorists all you want, but they were fighting for the Kashmiri's rights and countering Indian agression to a considerable extent. As for me supporting the Jamaat as a party, you should read some of my other posts about the Jamaat and the MMA and you will eat your words that described me as a Jamaat supporter bro.
Also, can you explain what my 'Punjabi' and Kashmiri cause is? I am from Islamabad, and last time I checked, that was not a part of 'Punjab', nor do I recall being part of any 'Punjabi' (or Kashmiri) cause. Since you seem to know so much about me (as evident by all these threads where you seem to bring me into the picture), perhaps you can enlighten me.
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You still haven't answered my question: Why do you support terrorists like Jamaat?
Please stay on topic this time. Thanks.
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East Pakistan etc? Do u suffer from deliberate, selective amnesia? JI has been around since the day Pakistan was created, even though JI founding fathers were opposed to the idea of a separate homealand for muslims. Now that maybe historical artifacts for some people, but that does not mean it did not happen. And, who is to decide what is current and relevant from a historical perspective? Mqm may argue that most of the allegations against their party relate to the nineties, ancient history for some ppl with a memory not lasting few minutes?
Yes JI was active in Kashmir, under the patronage of Pak army, ISI and plenty of financial and political support. Do you believe that JI activists have not benefitted from the Kashmir struggle? Ofcourse they have,ppl from humble backgrounds today are millionaires, owners of vast tracts of land in Kashmir and Pakistan. For decades JI and its thugs cud go around all over Pakistan intimidating, killing political opponents with complete impunity and state support. Educational institutions are a great example where JI thugs openly attacked any political opposition, beatings were normal, killings ordered by their nazims knowing very well there will be no police cases cause the state sponsored terrorists had the licence to kill.
Since Pak Govt (establishment) has decided to take a u-turn on their sanction of terrorist (armed struggle) in Kashmir or any other country, the same terrorists who thought they were heros are todays villians, for a very simple reason what is wrong is wrong. Policy of supporting militant activities is basically wrong.
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Guru, you think Kashmiri mujahideen were terrorists, I dont. You think MQM thugs were freedom fighthers, I think they are terrorists, just a difference of opinion I guess. But yeah, JI isnt directly involved with anything, they just supported them, thats all. The notion of JI being a terrorist party itself is laughable, nothing more.
As for the JI is concerned, its not an anti-Pakistani party like the MQM is, the only similarity is that just like how the MQM plays the ethnic angle, they know how to play the religious angle for peoples support.
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On all accounts you are wrong. I never said Kashmiri mujahideen were terrorists. I said JI thugs were terrorists who spawned their terror not only in Kashmir where they had no business but also in Pakistan. And where did I say Mqm was a freedom struggle? Once again u r delving into your delusional world of fantasy. Should I say just a difference of honest debate?
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Thtas where you are wrong, they merely supported the Mujahideen, now unless you are implying that JI sent some of its workers as full fledged militants, youre not making any sense (like always).
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And where did I say Mqm was a freedom struggle? Once again u r delving into your delusional world of fantasy. Should I say just a difference of honest debate?
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So can you admit Altaf (not everyone in the mqm) is a terrorist, maybe then we can discuss the JI's implications on the Kashmiri movement and whether they are qualified to be termed 'terrorists'.
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JI is anti-Pakistan because they were instrumental in the 1971 East Pakistan debacle. How can u ignore that? After Awami League won 162 seats, Yahya annulled 120 seats and awarded JI (its biggest supporter) with 80 of those seats for services rendered. And then u still claim JI is innocent? Even today, when Mushy is trying his best to untangle Pakistan from its web of terrorist camps, JI is opposing him cause it basically takes away their fascist support base. If JI is allowed to succeed, Pakistan wud immediately be branded terrorist and completely pulverized. And yet u claim JI is innocent? JI continues to harrass newspapers, journalists, liberals and all those ppl who defend MA Jinnahs concept of Pakistan. Yet u believe JI is innocent?
For me religion is something personal, whereas for JI its their duty to tell us what to do or not what to do. Yet u claim JI is innocent?
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For me religion is something personal, whereas for JI its their duty to tell us what to do or not what to do. Yet u claim JI is innocent?
Yes, I dont support the JI's idea of using the religion card, anymore than I do with MQM playing the race card, nor do I want the JI to come into power, I dont know where you are assuming all that, BUT the fact remains, they did some good work when they supported the Kashmiri Mujahideen who took things into their own hands in the 90s. Alot of MQM supporters etc, dont even consider Kashmir an issue, so if we leave it upto them, then yes, they will continue to say these freedom fighters were terrorists etc. I dont buy that.