JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israelis hotly debated on Sunday just who crossed a red line: a young Israeli who joined Palestinians and foreign sympathisers in a protest against a West Bank barrier, or soldiers who shot him.
Gil Naamati, a 21-year-old kibbutz member who recently completed his compulsory military service, was hit in his knee and hip with live ammunition on Friday as he tried to cut through the razor-wire topped fence. An American woman was also wounded.
Unlike hundreds of incidents in which soldiers have killed or wounded Palestinians since an uprising began in September 2000, the army’s first use of live gunfire against an Israeli was a shot heard across the Jewish state.
“Today they shot my son, tomorrow they’ll shoot yours,” Naamati’s father, Uri, told Israel Radio.
Israel’s biggest newspaper, the mainstream Yedioth Ahronoth, said the soldiers’ behaviour was a symptom of the "bestiality which the continuing occupation and war situation…has created within the army and the Israeli consciousness as a whole.
**“Let’s not kid ourselves…if a Palestinian (had been shot), it probably would not have got even one line in the newspaper,” the editorial added.
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point taken but also these criticizms by israelis of israeli animalistic behaviour should also be taken with pinch of salt.
recently there was several other incidents like these 27 pilots "refusniks" who refused to bomb palestinian civillain areas
Avraham Burg attacked Israel in a blistering article that was published in Israel, America and Britain. Burg criticized the Jewish struggle’s culmination into “a state of settlements, run by an amoral clique of corrupt law-breakers who are deaf both to their citizens and their enemies.” And “the countdown to the end of Israeli society has begun.”
A year ago an Israeli photographer held an exhibition of photographs revealing the Israeli reign of terror upon the Palestinians in refugee camps.
A look at the agenda of such people like Burg and the Israeli pilots reveals their real view. Politicians like Burg have acknowledged that the growing population of Arabs in Palestine could outnumber the Israelis within a decade. He also notes the world’s distaste towards the Israeli brutality of the Palestinian Muslims. So he believes Israel should be more cordial with her Muslim population, and his fundamental message is that nothing must be allowed to distract from the road map to the two-state solution. He said “there can be no level of atrocities, by frequency or by intensity of outrage, no quantity of deaths caused by suicide bombers, to justify choosing a different way”. Similarly the pilots hold no objection to the illegal occupation of Palestine; rather their qualm was the brutal manner of upholding the occupation.
So in fact they are just concerned with the brutal actions of the israelis, they have no problem with the occupation of muslim land of palestine at all.
the fact that an israeli got shot, no it will not change nothing you are right, also the fact that there is a movement within israel who are against excessive force against palestinians , this will also not change the situation.
It just highlights the difference in how people value life, and one life is valued more than the other.
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the fact that an israeli got shot, no it will not change nothing you are right, also the fact that there is a movement within israel who are against excessive force against palestinians , this will also not change the situation.
It just highlights the difference in how people value life, and one life is valued more than the other.
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i don't understand. personally if they are questioning the brutality, then it's showing a value for life.
the israelis in general do not value the lives of palestinians. this is acknolweged by the newspaper article.
the few individuals who i have highlighted in post, have made statements against the crimes and terror commited against palestinians. My point carrying on from this is these individuals have a problem with the brutality commited by israelis forces but have no problem with the occupation.
the israelis in general do not value the lives of palestinians. this is acknolweged by the newspaper article.
the few individuals who i have highlighted in post, have made statements against the crimes and terror commited against palestinians. My point carrying on from this is these individuals have a problem with the brutality commited by israelis forces but have no problem with the occupation.
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right, i understand. but i see more value in their realization of the brutality. israel is there. i think if there is a greater respect for human life, then perhaps the "peace process" can actually move forward.
well thats where i will differ with you i am against the occupation full stop. yes i acknowledge the people who value life on both sides but end of the day that land was stolen and it should and will go back to its rightful owners! you may say no israel is mighty but in reality i see israel as a mighty mouse and sooner or later it will crumble its only matter of time!
well thats where i will differ with you i am against the occupation full stop. yes i acknowledge the people who value life on both sides but end of the day that land was stolen and it should and will go back to its rightful owners! you may say no israel is mighty but in reality i see israel as a mighty mouse and sooner or later it will crumble its only matter of time!
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my concern is not the right or might of israel. i just worry that so many people have died already. if there is a way to preserve lives through compromise, then i am willing to consider it.