Islamic law to be imposed in parts of Pakistan

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If this agreement bring releif to people of Swat then 170 million Pakistanis are Mullas

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Lets see Swat a former tourist region is now run by the Taliban. FATA is totally outside of Pakistani sovereignty.

The Pakistani Army has been defeated in SWAT and FATA and have now made this deal after having no choice.

This type of action will spread to other parts of Pakistan after which the whole country side of Pakistan will be run by Taliban with only Pakistani cities out of the influence of Taliban.

Balochistan’s insurgency is spreading with daily attacks on gas pipelines.

Pakistan is grouped with Afghanistan as a terrorist state where as India is sending rockets to the moon and getting movies nominated for Oscars.

Only a person like you will think that Pakistan is on the right track.

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A good read
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Our whirling dervishes should be ashamed

I HAVE changed the title of this piece from ‘We whirling dervishes ought to be ashamed’ to the present one because I have many times exhorted this state of Pakistan, this Land of the Pure, this Citadel of Islam, etcetera, that whenever it indulges in shenanigans that are deplorable and monstrous and odious, I, as a citizen want no part of them. Not in my name, gentlemen.
I must also beg the dervishes’ pardon for using their good and kind name to describe our mendacious establishment, but its U-turns are so fast and so mind-numbing that they can only be compared with the whirling of the dervishes!
But first, let all of us Pakistanis hang our collective head in sorrow and in shame at the dreadful and downright evil and cold-blooded murder of Piotr Stanczek, the Polish geologist who was prospecting for oil in Attock district and who was kidnapped by the so-called Taliban four months ago and cruelly beheaded last week. **More especially the establishment should be ashamed of itself, for it is now being said out loud that poor Stanczek was killed because Pakistani state institutions are not on the same page. **
**Indeed, in this particular case, Poland has officially said that ‘internal divisions within Pakistan’s government apparatus hampered efforts to save the life of’ the hostage. Be that as it may, do the beasts that actually carried out the execution not have hearts? Do they not have children? Or wives? Or mothers and sisters and brothers? How possibly could they break bread with another human being one day and then slaughter him the next? What sort of bestial behaviour is this? And all in the name of Islam? **

**What has gone wrong with us, I ask? Is this the country I was born in? Is this cruel and ugly place the Pakistan I knew whilst growing up, and going to college in Lahore where boys and girls would cycle to their schools and colleges as a matter of course? Is this tortured land that same land I called mine? **
Now to our whirling dervishes: from the stoutest of denials to loud criticism of the Indians for providing only ‘information’ and not ‘evidence’ to our spokesmen of the FO sticking their tongues out at the Indians and faulting them on pedantic semantics; the whole shoot has fallen flat on its egg-smeared face. It has once more made the Mother of All U-turns, this time on the Mumbai attacks, admit that they were, indeed, planned in Pakistan. Why they even have the ‘mastermind’ (Senator-elect — God save us — Rehman Malik’s words, not mine) under actual arrest!
It would do us well to go over the sequence of events to establish once and for all that whilst there is a great divide within the establishment, it takes but a short visit by pro-consuls such as Condoleezza Rice and Ambassador Holbrooke to grease the wheels AND the tongues of the powers that be.
Consider: on Nov 27, 2007, this newspaper reported that Shah Mehmood Qureshi ‘was adamant at a news conference hosted by Delhi’s women journalists that there were no longer training camps for terrorists in Pakistan…’.
On Nov 28, ‘the country’s top political and military leaders met on Saturday to discuss the tricky situation resulting from the Indian government’s move to blame ‘elements within Pakistan’ for the Mumbai carnage, but some of the actions and statements in response to Delhi’s tirade were indicative of a growing gulf between the government and the security establishment on ways and means to handle the affair…official and unofficial statements emanating from different quarters of the establishment suggested clear differences in perception, if not on the response to India’s blame game.’
Enter Ms Rice on Dec 4. She said she had asked the Pakistan civilian government for a ‘robust’ response against the terrorists who attacked Mumbai. In statements in Islamabad, she said that enough information was available for acting against the perpetrators of the Mumbai attacks and forestalling such incidents. ‘There is a lot of information and it needs to be used to get to the perpetrators and prevent them from doing it again,’ she said at a news conference during her brief visit to Islamabad.
‘There is urgency in getting to the bottom of it; there is urgency in bringing the perpetrators to justice; and there is urgency for using the information to disrupt and prevent further attacks,’ she said, adding that the message was ‘well received’ in Islamabad.
Enter Ambassador Holbrooke, Feb 9, 2008, when according to another report in this paper, Pakistan was still describing the ‘information provided by India on the Mumbai attacks as ‘insufficient’ to reach a logical conclusion and bring the alleged perpetrators to justice…’. India ‘had rejected Pakistan’s claim that the information contained in its dossier was ‘insufficient’ and announced that it would not provide any further information to Pakistan.’
On Feb 12, 2008, immediately after Holbrooke’s two-day visit, and without getting any further ‘information’ from India, Pakistan admitted everything as described above. Why, several private channels have even gone to the fishing village where the terrorists hid for a few days and from whence they embarked on their murderous journey to Mumbai. The government, for its part, has already identified the shop that sold them the rubber dinghy, the outboard motor and other such equipment.
Would that Ambassador Holbrooke had come visiting earlier!
And now, my friends, to Swat. Who saw the heartrending film on that unfortunate place on television in which yours truly also featured? There was this young and extremely courageous young journalist, Ehsan Haqqani, who was moved to tears describing what is happening to his beloved motherland. Many thousands of us wept with you, my friend, may God keep you.
One has often said that if you give the government(s) of Pakistan two distinctly different ways of doing something, one appropriate and correct and beneficial; the other most inappropriate, wholly wrong and to the country’s total detriment, they will invariably choose the latter. There is going to be Sharia in Malakand/Swat! Whose Sharia? Which sects’ Sharia, please? You are giving another inch to the mullah, sirs, especially one who has tasted blood. He will want ten hundred miles the next time, mark my words.
Stop Press: News has just come in that the extremists in Swat have offered a ceasefire because they are running out of food and other supplies due to heavy snowfall. Which offer has been accepted by the government with the most shameless alacrity. There you go, sirs, on your self-seeking progress.

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so who was taking actions against them? who took care of Red mosque mullah?

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I heard the Pir of Karachi made some undercover deals with some local madrassahs for support, he is also a closet mollah! :eek:

p.s. musharraf couldnt do jack in swat, infact he created the mess to begin with. he tried to fix his own monster, then failed, and then they made peace deals. later the coalition bombed, and he was quick to admit the attack’s responsibility only to be humiliated each time in a matter of minutes/hours.

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I think this truce is temporary and very soon will be blown out by any of the parties. We saw these kinda agreements earlier as well but nothing came out of that.

I also feel that this is too late to have a truce like that. When you have seen Pakistani taliban going through some heinous crime esp the one with women and girls, its very hard to expect anything good from them.

Here is how NY times report the same:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/17/world/asia/17pstan.html?ref=world

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:D

Nara-i-Takbeer

Allah u Akbar

Talibans are coming to Lahore on 23rd March 2009 and i will be on GT Road to receive them with flowers.Talibans Zindabad

Nara-i-Takbeer

Allah u Akbar

:D

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There is only one person who was hard on hardliners. He negotiated with small fish, only to get to the bigger fish. No one was hated more by mullahs.
The rest, are almost their chamchas. Zardari has surrendered, Imran licks their toes, Nawaz having wet dreams with that judge. No one to take this issue seriously.

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Interesting articles in Britain’s Telegraph - it claims that the US is now privately backing the peace deal in the hope of driving a wedge between the Swat Taliban led by Fazlullah that has focus on operations in Swat only, and Baitullah Mahsud’s Tehrik-i-Taliban-i-Pakistan that is accused of being linked with Al-Qaeda and attacks against Hamid Karzai’s government forces.

US privately backs Pakistan’s ‘Sharia law for peace’ deal with Taliban - Telegraph

On Tuesday night however, US officials in Islamabad privately backed the deal as an attempt to drive a wedge between Swat’s Taliban, which is focused on its demand for Sharia law, and the al-Qaeda-linked Taliban led by Baitullah Mehsud, the notorious commander who controls much of North and South Waziristan and other tribal areas along the Afghan border.

While they expressed fears that the deal might yet be sabotaged by some Swat Taliban militants who support al-Qaeda, they said that if successful, the deal would break up the alliance between the two groups, which has caused alarm throughout Pakistan and in Washington.

Of the two Taliban groups, Mehsud’s is the most feared – he has been accused of masterminding the assassination of former prime minister Benazir Bhutto and trained Osama bin Laden’s son as one of his commanders – but it is the alliance with Swat Taliban leader Maulana Fazlullah which alarmed Pakistanis in the country’s main metropolitan centres.

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Are you talking about the senile old general who created them?

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Swat lies less than a 100 miles from Islamabad, our capital city! and its been under siege, destroyed and now won?! are we all that defenseless and insecure? i just cannot comprehend that, this is not some illaqa ghair up in the mountains, this is very very close to our homes, for some it is home, thats been taken over! if this deal backfires (if indeed the reason is to break taliban control and create a wedge) what/who is stopping these freaks from marching on to our capital, in our homes tomorrow? devastating.

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or the one who fed few million bucks to Mehsud?

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Welcome back to 16th century!!

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Illiterate Taliban taking Pakistan to 5th century tribal Arab barbarism where women wont be allowed to get out of house & if your beard isn't long enough (how long is long enough?) you'll get your a@@ lashed. Beheadings outside of every mosques on Fridays follow by stoning adulterers to deaths. Who is not looking forward to that kind of free entertainment?

My advice to all sane people in Pakistan, if you have resources and means to get out, now is your time. Islamist terrorists & and generals have screwed up the country & I'm sad to say, but it will be like Somalia or Afghanistan in near future.

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A lot of the people are saying that this isn't the type of Shariah where they are killing women and beating up women. It is for justice for the people etc(thats how the political show spinning it), look at the law system in rest of Pakistan. Their is no law for the rich, the poor is screwed in any way. If this shariah system is used then hopefully to give peace at least in Swat then rest of Pakistan could probably follow this. Remember in times of shariah in our history is the times when muslims made the most progress.

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Dear Talibans,you pls touch any place of Pakistan,except Sindh.

Timepass- December 2012
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Maulana Sufi Muhammad to meet with Maulana Fazlullah today.

Sufi Muhammad meets Fazlullah today

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If this Shariah looks like anything like what we saw in Afghanistan under Taliban than we know what to expect. BTW, there is no spin on this b/c there are 60 Islamic countries, and no one has Shariah system & there is reason for it. World has moved on from 5/6th century Arabia, and we are different people from Arab ad their culture. You cannot impose that kind of backward culture in the name of region on people of Pakistan. If that happens, I hope Americans go in and clean up the mess.

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your association or love for them was based on emotions and today aswell you condemnation is also based mostly on that.

although its not perfect deal and not done in a perfect way but for me it is better than loosing 20000 civilians... Yes atleast 20000 civilian casualties are you ready to take it....

this is no ....shariah but something that was already there, was approved by benazir govt and nawaz govt before... it was demnd of locals as they had this system before integrating in pakistan in late 60s... so please dont talk about somehting about which you dont know....

if you are really serious then please go and visit and see for yourself...

i cant understand your criticism of army its not decision maker but the poitician or earlier mushy....

before blaming pak army look what happened to indians in kashmir, americans in iraq, russians in chechnya, and nato in afghanistan....

strategies are not made in black and white sometimes you had to give in to avoid annoyances and concentrate on large goal and i see this as that, one thing you must know sense of victory is last thing that establishment would allow taliban to have for longer run...

surprise surprise we have Musharraf supporters here and saying present govt is encouraging taliban....funny isnt it, this man was worst thing that happened to pakistan he used taliban to keep him useful and in mess we are in it is just because of that bas.....
his failure surpassed everything good he may have done...

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A sad day in the history of Pakistan. We are shaking hands with murderers and criminals.