ISI for Pakistan is like size 13 shoes with size 6 feet..!!!
If people knew about the best intelligence agency in the world, it would not be the best.
Good point.
Intel agencies keep their work secret for obvious reasons, so it's not like you can judge it on it's work.
However, one thing that is public knowledge is how well they have been able to defend the country against things like terrorist attacks, and it is obvious the ISI is failing badly.
Keep wondering... because intelligence is not one can buy or inject in someone...
its better to wonder than boast and gloat... or may b ppl get paid for that lols
quite rite its not something one can buy or inject...:)
otherwise RAW and MOSAD wouldn;t b playing football here..
In the West, the ISI is often described as ideologically allied to the Taliban. But Pakistan’s military-security establishment has only one ideology, and it’s not Islamism. It’s spelled I-N-D-I-A. It will do anybody’s bidding if it’s occasionally allowed to show India a bit of muscle.
Pakistan’s military remains India-centric.
Good point.
Intel agencies keep their work secret for obvious reasons, so it's not like you can judge it on it's work.
However, one thing that is public knowledge is how well they have been able to defend the country against things like terrorist attacks, and it is obvious the ISI is failing badly.
You need to read again:
“It has to be the ISI” says John Smith on the Web site.** “It broke down the Soviet Union (which also led to the reunification of Germany; the German Intelligence Chief gave a piece of the Berlin Wall to the Pakistani Intel Chief with a plaque under it saying, ‘To the one who struck the first blow’), has protected and developed the country’s nuclear assets against all odds, has defeated Al Qaeda/Taliban especially these days with the capture of Baradar, etc. by the ISI, has deep ingress into India. No other agency matches it in efficiency, precision, discipline and professionalism.”**
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ISI has surely made mistakes in the past like I have mixed feelings about their support for jihadi outfits in the 80s but that was probably also the need of the hour. How-else could they have countered a superpower like Soviet Union? Who is to say that the soviets would not have invaded Pakistan had we not gone down that route!
But I guess for blind-haters like you who see everything as black and white, securing country's most sensitive assets against all odds and preventing any further break-up of Pakistan do not count as significant achievements.
And we need these agencies to keep a check on crooks like Zardari, NS and Altaf
You need to read again:
“It has to be the ISI” says John Smith on the Web site.** “It broke down the Soviet Union (which also led to the reunification of Germany; the German Intelligence Chief gave a piece of the Berlin Wall to the Pakistani Intel Chief with a plaque under it saying, ‘To the one who struck the first blow’), has protected and developed the country’s nuclear assets against all odds, has defeated Al Qaeda/Taliban especially these days with the capture of Baradar, etc. by the ISI, has deep ingress into India. No other agency matches it in efficiency, precision, discipline and professionalism.”** ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ISI has surely made mistakes in the past like I have mixed feelings about their support for jihadi outfits in the 80s but that was probably also the need of the hour. How-else could they have countered a superpower like Soviet Union? Who is to say that the soviets would not have invaded Pakistan had we not gone down that route!
But I guess for blind-haters like you who see everything as black and white, securing country's most sensitive assets against all odds and preventing any further break-up of Pakistan do not count as significant achievements.
And we need these agencies to keep a check on crooks like Zardari, NS and Altaf
As usual, you are ignoring half the facts.
The Afghans with massive US support defeated the Soviets. The US simply used the ISI to move weapons,and dropped them like a used condom. The groups the ISI supported are bombing Pakistan today.
Securing against all odds, LOL, nice bedtime story.
The ISI/Army have been involved in selling 'sensitive assets' to several countries, hardly a secret. Because these countries are US enemies, the US stoppeed it.
It is the ISI that made Altaf, supported Sharif when he was Zia's crony, created IJI, created/supported PML-Q., etc,etc...
As usual, you are ignoring half the facts.
The Afghans with massive US support defeated the Soviets.
This shows how much you know about A-stan and its history... I am sure before the soviets the brits the superpower of its time was defeated twice with massive santas support. DO some research at least on the time line when the Reds invaded A-Stans and how much A-Stan was already captured by Muj when US decided to claim a piece of the pie. BTW US is already working on the exit strategy, its called history repeats itself.
In the West, the ISI is often described as ideologically allied to the Taliban. But Pakistan’s military-security establishment has only one ideology, and it’s not Islamism. It’s spelled I-N-D-I-A. It will do anybody’s bidding if it’s occasionally allowed to show India a bit of muscle.
Pakistan’s military remains India-centric.
Please don't spew what they teach in Indian schools.
In the West, the ISI is often described as ideologically allied to the Taliban. But Pakistan’s military-security establishment has only one ideology, and it’s not Islamism. It’s spelled I-N-D-I-A. It will do anybody’s bidding if it’s occasionally allowed to show India a bit of muscle. ** Pakistan’s military remains India-centric**.
And Indian military wants to conquer China?
Re: ISI Tops 10 Best Intelligence Agencies In The World
I would love to engage in this synchronized chest puffing session... except if the ISI is so great then wtf happened in Swat? why did we almost lose this integral and gorgeous part of the country to some bearded donkeys? and what is happening in the north right now... why are people dying by the dozens in the bombs that go off every few days across the country? why haven't retards like Fazlullah, Sufi, Muslim Khan, etc been hanged by their balls yet?
Re: ISI Tops 10 Best Intelligence Agencies In The World
They can do more better of they don't try to control every thing inside.
ISI came into limelight during the Soviet Afghan war....CIA and ISI worked together....CIA outsourced and sub-contracted its intelligence in Afghanistan to ISI.
ISI has been the part and parcel of the Pakistan Army, its workforce consists of pakistan army officers...
Whereas Govt of India has kept Indian Army out of RAW....Govt recruits RAW officers from IPS (Indian Police Service)....Infact RAW keeps a check on the Indian Army and its operations as well.
I would love to engage in this synchronized chest puffing session... except if the ISI is so great then wtf happened in Swat? why did we almost lose this integral and gorgeous part of the country to some bearded donkeys? and what is happening in the north right now... why are people dying by the dozens in the bombs that go off every few days across the country? why haven't retards like Fazlullah, Sufi, Muslim Khan, etc been hanged by their balls yet?
Is MI-6 not an efficient spy agency? Despite their best efforts they could not prevent the vast majority of IRA attacks in Britain in the 70s, 80s and early 90s and despite IRA having the 'decency' to tell the government and various agencies where the bomb(s) had been planted 15-30 minutes before carrying out each atrocity.
No intelligence agency however efficient can guarantee fool-proof security against all terrorist attacks. You can only minimize the risk of attacks. Most of us take things for granted and do not appreciate what a difficult and wonderful job these agencies do and how many attacks are foiled by their efforts. Without these agencies more innocents w'd die for sure from Taliban (and other) terror every few weeks to months....(if not thousands) hundreds more atleast w'd die..
As for your point about Swat operation, I could not agree more. We bungled the whole thing for sure and should have gone in much earlier than we did...we gave mullah Fazullah and his henchmen too much dheel.
Please don't spew what they teach in Indian schools.
That's not from Indian schools. That's from the article that had the rankings of intelligence agencies. You didn't read it, haa, haa
That's not from Indian schools. That's from the article that had the rankings of intelligence agencies. You didn't read it, haa, haa
Yeah sure, and Indian schools only teach love and harmony to their inoocent lil kids.
Yeah sure, and Indian schools only teach love and harmony to their inoocent lil kids.
Just for your information, Indian texts and schools are very bland. It was from the newspapers during the 90s that we used to get daily reports of Pakistanis/Pakistani sponsored terrorists killing indians in punjab and kashmir. Nowadays news media on tv channels have taken over that role. That's where the lil kids loose their innocence, not in schools.
Just for your information, Indian texts and schools are very bland. It was from the newspapers during the 90s that we used to get daily reports of Pakistanis/Pakistani sponsored terrorists killing indians in punjab and kashmir. Nowadays news media on tv channels have taken over that role. That's where the lil kids loose their innocence, not in schools.
Of course of course, Indian school text only teach that Shri Hitler was a bad boy, right.. And elected govts. only kill sikhs, muslims, christians err err once in a while. And we only came to know about India/Indian terrorism through liers.. LMAO... They teach you quite a lot in Indian schools.
With our President enjoying nice European summer in France and UK while our country is facing worst ever floods in the history of Pakistan, we should fear losing more areas to these semi intelligent creatures. I seems that army was highly successful in getting the chief’s tenure extended for 3 years, and making a full idiot out of the civilian President…!!!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/04/opinion/04wed2.html?_r=1&ref=editorials
EDITORIAL
Rage and Floods in Pakistan
Published: August 3, 2010
The worst floods in a generation in northwestern Pakistan have killed more than 1,400 people, left as many as 1.3 million others homeless and destroyed as much as 70 percent of the region’s livestock. Responding to the needs of the region and its desperately vulnerable people is not something the Pakistani government or the United States can afford to get wrong.
The region, in the volatile province of Khyber-Pakhtoonkhwa, formerly the North-West Frontier Province, borders Afghanistan and is a central battleground in the struggle against militants in both countries. And neither the weak civilian government in Islamabad nor the United States stands high in Pakistani public opinion.
A new poll by the Pew Research Center found that only 17 percent of Pakistanis have a favorable view of the United States; the same poll showed that the popularity of Pakistan’s president, Asif Ali Zardari, has plummeted in two years from 64 percent to 20 percent.
Media reports are filled with tales of infuriated Pakistanis who say the government has provided minimal assistance. And it surely doesn’t help that Mr. Zardari is spending the week in Paris and London on an official trip. Instead of blindly sticking to his itinerary, he should hurry back to Islamabad and work with Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani and the Army to execute a rapid and comprehensive rescue and relief operation.
Washington has pledged more than $10 million in relief aid. The government says that more than 300,000 meals prepared according to Islamic tradition have been delivered to Pakistani officials for the relief effort. American helicopters directed by Pakistan’s Interior Ministry have rescued more than 700 people and transported nearly 12,000 pounds of provisions to flood victims.
The United States also has provided inflatable rescue boats, water filtration units and prefabricated steel bridges. The United Nations offered $10 million, the European Union 30 million euros (about $40 million) and China, $1.5 million. But this can only be a beginning. More rains have started to fall, and there are fears that a breakout of water-borne diseases like cholera could cause a crisis. Apart from saving lives, a broad-based humanitarian response aimed at relieving human suffering needs to serve diplomatic purposes as well.
Islamic charities with suspected ties to militant groups are reportedly competing with the government to deliver services, including relief and medical camps. Washington and Islamabad cannot afford to be less generous or effective.