Is US becoming cheaper?

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Agreed on almost everything except ofcourse I don't know whether there was a big contract that was so big that to get that, they would make a 1000 local jobs commitment. Cincinnati is not the type of town where you can get a 1000 tech grads with or w.o experience, so people have to be moved from other places.

Aside, and don't think this is refering to you at all, but in general desis (at least my fellow Indians in most parts) suck in relationship management. Very few of them seem to achieve the crisp yet friendly presence....sorta gooey! Once you get to know them a bit better, they are gold but man, the first the few meetings are murder. They're invariably either too friendly or too subservient or too conspiratory!

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America's Coming Garage Sale
By Michael Schuman
Times, March 24, 2008

For years, Americans have reveled in profligate, load-up-the-back-of-the-SUV-at-Target excess, much of it paid for by credit cards, home equity or other loans. The binge has produced some supposedly healthy economic growth and provided everyone lots of nice stuff. But now debt collectors from around the world are knocking. That's why today's turmoil in U.S. financial markets will end in a massive transfer of wealth from America to the rest of the globe.
The housing bust, the subprime catastrophe, the Bear Stearns evaporation, and the tanking markets have already dented household wealth. But this is just the beginning. These events are only the trigger to a larger problem that affects America's standing in the global economy.

That problem is America's vast, unsustainable trade deficit with the rest of the world. The deficit has created stuffed storehouses of dollars and dollar-based securities at many of America's most important trading partners. The dollar reserves are especially large in Asia, where export-oriented countries like China and Japan have run large trade surpluses with the U.S. The Bush Administration has attempted to pin the blame for the trade deficit on "unfair" practices by foreign countries. Special abuse was reserved for China. Bush has maintained that Beijing's manipulation of its currency, the yuan, made Chinese-produced goods exceptionally cheap and as a result they have flooded the U.S. market.

This argument is nonsense and always has been. Since China ended its currency peg in mid-2005, the yuan has risen 17% against the dollar and hit an all-time high last week. But the trade deficit with China hasn't budged. The real cause of the trade deficit is that Americans spend too much and save too little. That's true for both the government, with its mammoth budget deficits, and the average consumer. American household debt reached $13.8 trillion at the end of 2007, or more than double the amount in 1999. This debt-financed consumption has led to a level of imports well beyond the nation's ability to pay for them. Americans have no one to blame but themselves.

Now toss on top of that unstable situation the current financial chaos. One effect has been to depress the value of American assets, such as shares and property. This alone is impoverishing the average American. Housing price futures are predicting a more than 20% decline in Los Angeles home prices over the next 12 months. Christopher Wood of brokerage house CLSA recently wrote that the financial meltdown will "produce the most devastating wealth destruction" in the U.S., "which conventional monetary policy will be powerless to prevent." Americans are already getting poorer by the day.

So is the U.S. vis-á-vis the rest of the world. The losses at American financial institutions and fears of a coming recession have eroded confidence in the U.S. economy and depressed the value of the dollar against other currencies. The dollar has hit record lows against the euro, and last week sank to its weakest level versus the yen since the mid-1990s. That means all of those imports that Americans buy – from oil to toys – are becoming increasingly expensive, eroding the average American's quality of life. "By pursuing a policy of diminishing the dollar," says Thailand-based investment analyst Marc Faber, Americans "impoverished themselves relative to the rest of the world."

It also means that those mounds of dollars held by central banks and investors from Tokyo to Kuwait City are also deteriorating in value by the day. Yet the world can't just dump its dollars. Not only would that be incredibly destabilizing to the global economy, but it also would be effectively impossible. The dollar has been the reserve currency for decades and there are just too darn many of them out there to be converted into something else. Bankers in Beijing, Hong Kong and Dubai are stuck with the rotting stacks of greenbacks.

So the outcome is inevitable. As the financial crisis in the U.S. persists, the combination of decreasing asset prices and a weakening dollar will make the U.S. cheaper and cheaper to foreign investors. Irresistibly cheap. The U.S. is, after all, still a highly desirable place to own property, companies and securities. Foreign investors will see the crisis as a golden opportunity to buy prime pieces of Americana at bargain-basement prices. So all those dollars in banks around the world will flood back into the U.S. to buy stocks, bonds and property. Debt-burdened Americans, desperate for fresh cash, will be only too happy to sell — or be forced to sell. The U.S. will become one giant garage sale, where the buyers are Japanese banks, Chinese state-run investment funds and oil-rich Arab sheikdoms.

Of course, we've heard all of this before. For the past two decades, pundits have warned of the dangers of the trade deficit, while the U.S. has powered on. The big difference these days is that far more countries are awash in dollars today than there were in the 1980s. Even back then, if you remember, Japan recycled its surplus into U.S. assets when the dollar weakened in the late 1980s.

The upside to greater foreign investment in the U.S. will be the strengthening of the dollar and the resurrection of stock and property prices. The downside is that the foreign business community – especially in Asia – will own larger swaths of the U.S. economy. And it is these foreign buyers who will benefit from the increases in the value of assets and the dollar.

In fact, such a shopping spree has already begun. Look at the list of investors that recapitalized Citigroup in recent months – investment funds of the Singapore, Kuwait and Abu Dhabi governments. In fact, Asian investors bought a net $50 billion of U.S. stocks and bonds in January alone, up nearly 30% from December. "The U.S. is getting pretty cheap," says Charles Change, managing director of boutique investment banking firm Accolade in Seoul. "You always want to buy low and sell high."

There is, simply put, no way out of this situation for America. If you don't believe me, perhaps you'll believe Warren Buffett. The Sage of Omaha predicted this very scenario in 2003 in an article in Fortune. He tells the story of two fictional islands, Thriftville and Squanderville. In Squanderville, the residents live beyond their means by importing from Thriftville in return for IOUs. Eventually, Thriftville converts this debt into Squanderville assets until Thriftville owns all of Squanderville. America, Buffett warned, was facing the same fate. "Our trade deficit has greatly worsened, to the point that our country's 'net worth,' so to speak, is now being transferred abroad at an alarming rate," Buffett wrote.

Americans, meet Squanderville.

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So JaR! If I may ask. Are you buying (or selling) at this "garage sale"?

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Until an alternate market of comparable size and profitability develops China can never claim any advantage and will continue to be supplier to USA as well as buyer of US debt. India, Brazil, Russia are developing but obviously very far away from American level of consumption. China and to some degree Japan will and have been returning wealth to USA by means of buying stronger usd and holding it as it tanks steadily.

Buffet stopped before the story finished. We saw Japan buying up US real-estate some time ago. So what? It's not like they could move Rockefeller Center to Hokaido Buffet and any of us can short usd. China cannot because they are very long on it!

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Neither, Burqa. I cashed in my chips a few years back when prices were at their peak.

There's not much wealth to export out of the US. So, if you insist on holding dollars and want to invest, you'd invest in business or real estate within the US, which's what's been happening for the last 30 years. This's been keeping things going in the US despite it's ever rising trade deficits. This way, It's your assets, but still, under their ultimate control. Smart, isn't it.

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The Future of Dollar
By Aftab Ahmad
Dawn, March 24, 2008

The value of the dollar has witnessed a nosedive in recent weeks and months. As a result, the international price of crude oil – which is a dollar-denominated commodity – has shattered all past records and has now, at least, once reached near the $112 a barrel mark.

Countries heavily dependent on imported oil are in a tight situation. Some countries, which hold massive foreign exchange reserves in dollars are faced with a dilemma as to whether they should diversify their reserves, substantially reducing the dollar component and replacing it with another currency like euro.

What is even more perturbing is that a growing number of commodity investors and currency traders has expressed the apprehension that the dollar is in danger of losing its place as an international currency and that its days may be numbered. Their fears are reinforced on reports indicating that the United States may be hit by the worst ever recession after the second world war.

The matter has been analysed in the reports appearing in the US press recently and an effort has been made in these reports to show, with the help of latest statistics, that the dollar does not face any immediate threat to its supremacy, despite its declining value. However cold statistics and living reality are two different things.

According to these reports, dollar remains the medium of exchange in every thing from sugar to wheat to oil and the world is simply not prepared right now to adopt another currency in place of dollar. Doing so would require a complex reworking of the global financial system and few nations would be ready to undertake such an uphill task, at the moment.

It may be recalled that the dollar’s ascendancy started after Europe was weakened by World War II. Until then, the British pound reigned accounted for about two-thirds of the foreign exchange reserves held by the world’s central banks, although the US had gained the position of the world’s largest economy at the start of the 20th century.

Even long after the World War II, a number of commodities were still traded in pound. The London sugar market did not abandoned pound sterling for a dollar-denominated trading contract until 1980.

During the last 5-6 decades, the dollar has gradually established itself as the world’s dominant currency. It is a medium of exchange, a measure, a standard for deferred payments but no longer a store of value.

The dollar still enjoys the number one position as a reserve currency despite its massive depreciation against the euro. According to the IMF, the dollar’s share in the world’s central banks’ reserves stood at 72 per cent in early 2002 but came down to 64 per cent by September 2007. The share of euro in these reserves went up to 25 from 18 per cent in 1999, when the currency was introduced.

Central banks the world over, find it difficult to reduce the share of dollar in the reserves held by them. Since the majority of the countries export so much to the US, there is a regular flow of dollars into the coffers of their central banks. This flow can be checked only if these countries stop exporting to the US.

Besides, if the central banks sell a part of their dollar reserves, it would further weaken the dollar’s value. That would not be in their interest, since it would push down the value of their remaining dollar reserves.

As in case of foreign exchange reserves held by world’s central banks, dollar is also the leader in the world’s currency transactions. It reportedly has a 86 per cent share in the daily currency transactions of some $3.2 trillion around the world, according to the Bank of International Settlements. The role of dollar is often as a middle step in exchanges between two other currencies. The share of dollar in the international currency transactions was as much as 90 per cent in 2001, which came down to 86 per cent over the last few years.

Similar to its leading role in the central banks’ foreign exchange reserves and international currency transactions, dollar is also deeply linked to the international trade. According to the European Central Bank, 80 per cent of the exports from Indonesia, Thailand and Pakistan are invoiced in dollars, although less than a quarter of these exports land in the US.

Brazil presently accounts for about 40 per cent of the world sugar exports and almost none of it goes to the US, but the sugar trade still takes place in dollars, because the global commodities markets quote their prices in dollars.

In Malaysia, the stock and derivatives exchange is reportedly going to launch a new international palm oil futures contract next month. Malaysia and Indonesia are world’s leading producers of palm oil, together accounting for 87 per cent of global production. China is the world’s largest importer of palm oil, while the US share in the total imports is less than three per cent. Still, it has been decided that the new contract will be traded in dollars, since the global trade is being currently conducted in that currency.

The headquarters of a 33-year old organisation called the Asian Clearing Union happens to be in Iran. The union acts as a clearing house for cross-border transactions among eight countries, including Iran, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh. Here also, the currency used to account for the trades is dollar. The group is reportedly considering whether to add euro as another currency for its transactions. However, dollar will remain the major currency.

According to these reports, some of the US geopolitical rivals were trying to break away from dollar. Russia is reportedly setting up a commodity exchange where future contracts for oil and other products would be denominated in rubles, instead of US dollar. Iran is reported to have lauded the Russian plan, saying that it is an effort to liberate the world economy from the ‘dollar’s slavery’. But the move to abandon dollar in favour of another currency had reportedly not gone very far. These are visible signs of initial efforts to come out of the dollar orbit.

There had been speculations recently that due to persistent decline in the value of dollar, Opec as considering to price its oil in another currency.

According to reports, experts had examined these speculations and they have expressed the view that oil prices are based around three types of crude oil, that is, West Texas Intermediate, Brent crude and Dubai crude. Since all these are denominated in dollars, any plan to change the currency is likely to pose a number of challenges.

The US is still the world’s largest economy and serves as a major market for the rest of the world. The EU, Japan, the East Asian economies and even China may not escape the impact of the deep recession in the United States. What is at stake is their exports to America and also the process of accumulation of central banks reserves in dollar.

There are no immediate solutions in sight to the problems facing the US economy. The key issue is whether the value of dollar can be prevented from falling further, at a time when the greenback has depreciated to 95-96 yen and 1.59 to a euro and the US Fed interest rates are falling sharply.

If the slide in the dollar continues, the share of the greenback in the reserves held by central banks may decline further. At the same time, the dollar may receive a setback as medium of exchange and some countries may step up their efforts to price their commodities in a more stable currency.

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Here's one garage sale:

DETROIT - Ford Motor Company is selling its storied Jaguar and Land Rover businesses to India's Tata Motors Ltd. in a deal that will net the struggling U.S. automaker about $1.7 billion — roughly a third of the price it paid for the two luxury brands.

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US passport making outsourced to Thailand. What that means is US hasn't become at least as cheap as Thailand.

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What brand of chips? Frito lay or Kettle's?

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I think you are reading too much in auto-industry’s deal.

Daimler actually paid $650m to get rid of Chrysler.

Here is the cnn story.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/14/news/companies/chrysler_sale/index.htm


German automaker will end up actually paying $650 million to unload Chrysler to end its exposure to billions in ongoing losses, health care costs.


And you think Germany was having a garage sale?

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Is that what they are carrying under burqa these days? I had a home and a business (not home based, and not only "business" but commercial real estate also).

What does Ford and Chryslar have in common? Germany isn't dumping Mercedes, BMW or Volks, but Chryslar.

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stircrasy, what you dont know is how many of those jobs are ppl who were working for companies x and y who are now just going to be still working at the samew companies but instead of being an employee of company x and y they will be employed by TCS.

contract was big enough that it made all papers as the largest one won by TCS and its peers.

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^ that's possible (that these are existing people transferring) in which case wouldn't they have mentioned it?