Is This HAdith Authentic?

[Khoon-e-Shaheed]

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Originally posted by Satavahana:
** Yup. "Hind" has to be Arabic word. There was no language in the sub-continent before Arabs came on their Camels to give one.**
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Since, as a Hindu you will reject all the evidence given by the Muslim and non-Muslim historians, kindly please tell me of ** one Indian historical record/text/book etc atleast about 1000 years old that mentions the word "Hind" or "Hindu" or "Hindi" etc. **

If you can't, then you are lying.

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[Satavahana]

Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
** Since, as a Hindu you will reject all the evidence given by the Muslim and non-Muslim historians, kindly please tell me of ** one Indian historical record/text/book etc atleast about 1000 years old that mentions the word “Hind” or “Hindu” or “Hindi” etc. **

If you can’t, then you are lying.

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Well, Well. Is Microsoft Encarta a good enough source for you?

Let’s see what they have to say about ‘Hinduism’ and the Word ‘Hindu’

The word Hindu is derived from the Sanskrit word sindhu (“river”—more specifically, the Indus); the Persians in the 5th century BC called the Hindus by that name, identifying them as the people of the land of the Indus.
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Is that enough for you? Who is a liar now?

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[Khoon-e-Shaheed]

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Originally posted by Satavahana:
** Makes a lot of sense. "Hind" has to be Arabic. Like "Amreeka" is a Hindustani Word.
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"Amreeka" is again Arabic-Persian-Urdu form of "America". NOT HINDI.

Hindustani is again an Urdu word.

[Khoon-e-Shaheed]

Originally posted by Satavahana:

The word Hindu is ** derived ** from the Sanskrit word ** sindhu ** (“river”—more specifically, the Indus); the Persians in the 5th century BC called the Hindus ** by that name, ** identifying them as the people of the land of the Indus.
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Is that enough for you? ** Who is a liar now?

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Let me quote what I’d said:

Since, as a Hindu you will reject all the evidence given by the Muslim and non-Muslim historians, kindly please tell me of one ** Indian historical record/ ** text/book etc atleast about 1000 years old that ** * mentions * the word “Hind” ** or “Hindu” or “Hindi” etc.

** Just ONE Indian source ** that uses that name. ** JUST ONE. **

** Who is the liar now ?

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All that you gave me is a quote from Microsoft Encarta, which is likely based on the “research” of some Hindu scholars.

let me quote it again:

Originally posted by Satavahana:

The word Hindu is ** derived ** from the Sanskrit word ** sindhu ** (“river”—more specifically, the Indus); the Persians in the 5th century BC called the Hindus ** by that name, ** identifying them as the people of the land of the Indus.
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Could you please tell me the ** Indian book/manuscript etc ** that ** mentions ** that the word “Hindu” is derived from the word “Sindhu” ?

Or else, I’ll take it to mean as simply a conjecture on the part of the Hindu scholars ** to avoid the embarassment ** of admitting that “Hind” is an Arabic word.

** Who is the liar now ?

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[alifaraz]

I FOUND THAT ARTICLE ON SUNNAHONLINE.COM
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/unseen/0001.htm

[alifaraz]

THE ARTICLE IS ON THE FOLLOWING SITE.ITS ASALAFI SITE WHO ONLY NARRATE AUTHENTIC AHADITH AND THUS TRUSTWORTHY
http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/unseen/0001.htm

[Khoon-e-Shaheed]

Originally posted by Khoon-e-Shaheed:
Could you please tell me the ** Indian book/manuscript etc ** that ** mentions ** that the word “Hindu” is derived from the word “Sindhu” ?

Or else, I’ll take it to mean as simply a conjecture on the part of the Hindu scholars ** to avoid the embarassment ** of admitting that ** “Hind” is an Arabic word. **

Any luck Andhra ?

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[Khilafah1422]

Originally posted by Satavahana:
**I cam across this interesting “Hadith” quoted by some member saying Muslim Conquest of India is preordained and will be complete before Judgement Day!!

Can’t wait to Recite the Kalma!!!

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The latest conflict in Kashmir between the Mujahideen (those who fight in righteous jihaad) and India brings to mind the ahadeeth regarding the conquest of India prior to the day of Judgment.

Thawban, radhiAllaahu 'anhu (May Allah be pleased with him), that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam (May Allah’s peace and blessing be upon him), said, “Two groups of my ummah Allah has protected from the hellfire: a group that will conquer India and a group that will be with 'Isa b. Maryam, alayhis salaam (Jesus, May Peace be upon him).” [Reported by Ahmad, an-Nisa’i, and at-Tabarani]

Na’im b. Hammad in al-Fitan reports that Abu Hurayrah, radhiAllaahu 'anhu, said that the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, mentioned India and said, “A group of you will conquer India, Allah will open for them [India] until they come with its kings chained - Allah having forgiven their sins - when they return back [from India], they will find Ibn Maryam in Syria.”

While Abu Hurayrah said, “The Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, promised us [the Muslims] the conquest of India. If I was to come across that I will spend my soul and wealth. If I am killed then I am among the best of martyrs. And if I return then I am Abu Hurayrah the freed.” [Reported by Ahmad, an-Nisa’i, and al-Hakim]

In another narration reported by Ahmad, Abu Hurayrah says, “I was told by my khalil (trans - beloved), the truthful and believed in, the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam, that there will be in this ummah an expedition sent to Sind and Hind (India) …” The rest of the narration is the same but it has the following addition, “… then I will be released from the Hellfire.” At-Tuwaijri remarks this addition explains what is meant by “the freed” above.

Historical background:

Ibn Kathir remarks in al-Bidaya wan-Nihaya, “The Muslims invaded India during the days of Mu’awiya in the year 44 A.H and [great] events transpired then. And [likewise] the mighty and magnificent King Mahmud b. Subuktikin the ruler of Ghazna invaded the lands of India at the turn of the fifth century. He entered India and killed, took captive, [and] enslaved [many]. He took [muc] booty. He entered as-Sumanat (*) and destroyed the great al-Budda which they worship and he stripped it of its jewlery. He then returned [to Ghazna] safe, [Divinely] aided, and victorious.”

• as-Sumanat is a costal city where India’s scholars, monks, and the idol al-Budda are found.

At-Tuwaijiri remarks that Ibn al-Athir has detailed the campaigns of Mahmud b. Subuktikin in his book al-Kamil fi t-Tarikh.

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My question is, since there are so many experts on this Board, can somebody tell us if this “Hadith” is authentic?**

What an excellent hadith that informs the muslims of a future event. There is a principle in islamic fiqh that when there are many ahadith that repeatedly emphasise the same point (i.e.the conquering of India) then the meaning of that hadith is definite (mutawatir) but obviously your question is if it is an autentic hadith and i know for a fact that it is acceptable(but i will further look into it insha-Allah). If you look back at Islamic history, Allah(swt) promised many victories to the muslims, even when there were only a handfull of muslims in the whole world. This promise however did not cause the muslims to become relaxed as many people use these ahadith to say that Allah has promised victory so we do not need to work hard.In fact these promises by Allah and the Prophet generated zeal within the muslims to work even harder and spread the correct viewpoint in life to the people.

The hadith mentions the conquering of India and in the past Allah9swt) promised the Prophet the victory of Makkah and the Prophet achieved the conquest via the mechanism of an Islamic state, where he used the armed forces (of the mujahideen)and split them in 4 battalions and conquered Makkah. Today the muslims do not have a government that represent thier opinion and neither do any governments have a policy of conveying Islam to humanity via conquests. Hence, in reality only the islamic state has a foreign policy of conveying Islam to the world by dawah and Jihaad. So in order to see the hadith in existence, the muslims are required to establish an Islamic khilafah state that will solve the Kashmir problem and dicipline India by directly ruling over it. Insha-allah may Allah give us the life to see this occur. Ameen.