Is there forgiveness for adultery?

bilkul.

Interesting one.

my 2 or so cents:

I know this sounds harsh; but:

By the meaning of Shirk being unforgiveble depends on the premise.

Unforgiveble implies that if you died in that state- then there is no forgivness on the day of judgement and you are destined for hell.

Concerning Adultery - Since the Koranic punishment for it is the major of stoning to death-Correspondingly the sin is officially Huge.

However if you have gone undetected.

Your sin is still there. The sin is a violation of not only Allahs ruight but the rights of the parties who would be affected by discovery of this, who would be the spouse, the kids, in-laws.

And Allah says if you have violated somebody elses right then that person before Allah has the rights over forgiveness.

For example if you have stolen and spent 100k of TLK'S Bhais money; Inspite of praying to Allah most of your sin would not be cleared until you return Mr TLK'S rights.

I think such cases could be important between spouses due to possiblity of std contraction transmitions, nowadays.

Infact I know of people, and I find it silly those who have done millions of worth of frauds or injustice to others, later in life turn to only Allah or got to Haj to get thier sins cleared.

Yes, you may get the sins cleared for the rights of Allah you violated by breaking his .

But what about the people who are still inflicted by your earlier activities.

Oh you may escape the burden of the sin in this life, but it could be still there in the next.

Sometimes I do wonder though what is the crucial differance between adultery and discreetly doing Nikah with an additional lady (which is permisseble)??

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Yes there is an alternative to this .. but the thread needs to go to religious section first ..warna theres no other was ..not atleast in this world.

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Dude only alternative is. if you did some crime in this world, and could not make up for it by seeking forgivness or satisfaction from your spouse or persons affected.

Then on the day of judegment, you gonna have the heavyweight sin on your head.

Not saying it will drive you to hell. But am saying its gonna be some heavyweight.

So for any sins- we all have our sins.
Then our good deeds are the ones we all hope will be heavy and also heavier that get us through.

koi mafi shafi nai hai.there is only forgiveness after the guilty goes through the punishment that has been prescribed for it.so its either rajam or lashes that will set adulterer free.

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Islamically, there's always ways to repent for a sin. However, if you're asking if the spouse could forgive, then it becomes a different story. Even the accusation of adultery is a huge accusation to make in our culture and religion as just a hint of wrongdoing could destroy so many lives. A simple rumor could make spouse's untrustful to each other, and most of the time, the man never gets blamed saying that the woman seduced him. I'm not saying this is true for all cases, but if in reality it was the other way around, how would a woman be able to get forgiveness if no one believes her? People in Pakistan rape women all the time and tell everyone it was consensual so they get off free, and the woman is forced to kill herself. These are the people that twist Islamic sharia to fit their needs and these are also usually the people that will get away with it many times in their lifetime. They have no guilt. Sometimes adulterers have no guilt either, and it is possible to see how remorseful they actually are. The western world has portrayed adultery as something that isn't that important in life and that makes it so much worse as people in Pakistan are always looking at what the western world does.

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as far as i know, according to islam forgiveness for adultery must first be asked from the husband/wife by both the adulterers and after this is done they should ask Allah (swt) to forgive them. if it's the wife who commited adultery then she and the man with whom she did, should go ask forgiveness from the husband. if the husband decides to forgive them, good...but if he doesnt then he has every right to punish them in whatever way he wants to..or he could leave it on Allah ta'ala to punish them.
so in short you'll only be forgiven by Allah(swt) if you've got it from your nikkah-fied partner.

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^whats your source???
this concept of repenting is in christianity.do all sorts of tricks and then repent before a priest to become zero meter.
in islam it is rajam or flogging for adultery.its plain and simple.

object of punishment in islam is twofold that is preventive as well as deterrent.it prevents the offendor from commiting the offence again and makes him an example for public atlarge.

What? I have never heard of that.
And what if the man cheats? does he ask for forgiveness from his wife?

It's possible to feel guilty and repent for a sin without ever having to confess to anyone about it.

so religiously, yes I believe there is forgiveness. Personally......I hope I would never find myself in that situation but I would probably forgive.

Coming back to society ansd its norms: Ria yes husbands usually act more harshly and less forgiveingly in discovery of wifes adultereness - often violence or divorce.
Well - who stops women from doing the same.

And a person can only be proven of commiting adultery if there is proof:

The proof must be atleast 4 witness's who have at first eye seen them doing the act.

And 4 people watching another in the 'ahem ahem' in todays time is ofcourse very improbable.

If one is genuinly remorseful and has ammended themself but too ashamed to confront the spouse (especially if its the lady, knowing how possesive and crazy some men can get over this).

They could pray to God for sincere forgiveness and help in making related things atleast easier for them.

However there are some matters which do not need to be made public, and the best option is to defintly make-up or satisfy somehow the main party concerned i.e the spouse.

I personally know of two cases of Pakistani cases of adultery:

One was a couple married for over 15 years. The wife cheated on ther husband.
On discovery, he divorced her. Final.

2nd case: a married man with kids went to pakistan where he 'saw such a fair and blue eyed pakistani girl that he had never before seen in life- he could not resist and got an intermidiery to get them meet- that lead further and ofcourse to the ahem act- the girl was a virgin''
Then he left her and ran back to the U.K. The Guy makes does make me sick and I always wonder if his wife should be told about it.

4 witnesse's is the preferred, hwoever not mandatory as other forms of proof are acceptable, such as confession, oaths over koran, passport , awkward baby etc etc.

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so all these posts are about married people committing adultery, and the need to seek forgiveness from the husband/wife in-laws or whoever. but what if the people in question are not married at all? :hmmm:

and can someone also tell me what is this thing about the 4 witnesses? i never understood it, and thought it is absolutely impossible. the 4 people watching could only be if there is a rape happening, and the guy has invited his buddies to watch. and in that case … why would they ever confess in court!!! orrrrrrr … there is some serious kinky stuff going on that there are 4 witnesses available. :hayaa:

The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Faith is like a shirt that Allah places on those He chooses; but whoever commits adultery his shirt will be taken off from him; if he were to repent sincerely, Allah will place it back on him.” (Al-Bayhaqi)

^ Thats the point behind it Farrah. Humans are prone to mistakes.

The stoning to death is a brutal and irreversible punishment.
But the wisdom of the 4 witness'es is that you this is only implementable if you have this exceptional proof (that is practically extremly improbable) and thus this in a way could be seen as mercy or chance for the offender to amend himself.

Additionally, there have been cases in the Prophet (pbuh) time and later, where by confessions or oath over koran are made to decide over any accusations or doubts.
If a person has been accused or so he can prove himself by taking 4 oaths over the koran, with the 5th being inviting the wrath of Allah if they lie.
This is the official way of taking oaths on major things as such. And they are to be respected, if no other strong proof is present.

Allah does give his servant a chance to repent and amend. If somebodies sins are concealed they should consider themself lucky and use the oppurtunity to repent and amend.

The luck should not be tooken for granted. Because when are servant exceeds in a wrong act - Thats usually when Allah grips him and makes it public and punishable.

Bottom line: Dont do the crime- if you did it-and are seriously remorseful. If it was hidden by Allah then keep in hidden similarly and totally amend, change and improve yourself, until you feel its if appropriate to tell your spouse. You could pray in that time that your spouse takes can be forgiving or takes it less harshly.

Respectivly it depends on the personality of the spouse too whether, when, how, if he should be told.

There are good islamic fatwa websites online with scholars to answer such queries.

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4 witnesses to adultery! Thats an interesting idea :hehe:

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^ It's true ! Thats why in Pakistan so many women ended up in jail for being raped as they couldn't get 4 witnesses and the rape they suffered changed into so called adultery they committed !

PS : I am not commenting if the rule of 4 witnesses is right or wrong !

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this is where i start feeling funny. our religion is complete and perfect. and this is what we have to deal with at the end of the day!

^ It is not just religion guys.

Its the corrupt legal and islamic system in Pakistan that doesnt do justice to people.

If a women has been raped, and she is faced with the accusation it was mutual and there are no witnesses.
Then in an ideal state. There would be much more to this. Ideal islamic courts would also do investigations in events leading up to the event.

criterion would be the oath taking, dna analysis, etc etc.

However, Its not Islam, its the corrupt pakistani justice and social system, is that puts down women.

Pakistan today is not a clean country.
When the people in control of the country are doing these sins day in day out, how do you expect them do serve justice.
On the contrary it could be in thier preferance to preserve a society where women are less powerful and thus useable/abusable.

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Nope. No forgiveness. You deserve to be stoned to death...lashes or forced to watch Indian dramas. Whatever is worse.