this way is more fun, thats makes i confusing for me.
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
SargeCandy,
People who abuse Quran by writing specific parts of it on papers / tawizes or use the Quranic writings or numbers of verses in any other ways are MAGICIANS. There is no other more acceptable word for them no matter how much 'Candy' you put in your talk to make people look at you as some kind of supreme authority.
The first & foremost lesson of Islam is not to commit SHIRK. Shirk is associating with Allah anyone or anything other than Allah. All those 'aalims' who invite people to come to them are comitting SHIRK. There is no other way to put it.
Allah invites every single believer amongst His whole creation to come to Him DIRECTLY to rid any worry, to ask Him DIRECTLY for any favor, to reach out to Him DIRECTLY in good or bad times no matter what the believer is calling him for. So, people like you who encourage Allah's creation to come to them or any human or thing OTHER THAN Allah are not only comitting SHIRK themselves but promoting it to. Such people are misguiding Allah's creation.
In Islam, there is absolutely no 'medium' to reach out to Allah. This is the major difference between Islam & other religions. Allah encourages every single believer to call & reach out to Allah DIRECTLY & He would help him out & bless him no matter what.
My strong belief is that even in the most difficult of times, patience & remeberance of God is what protects humans from any kind of evil. But people who like to justify acts of shirk by misinterpreting Quranic references or hadeeses make me sick.
Reading Quran & Allah's attributes & praises by every believer in good or bad times is one thing but completely brainwashing them by luring them to go to a certain man, woman or adopt certain cult practices invloving Quran, Quran's chapters, verses or their numbers is completely another & I do not consider it anything but MAGIC & people committing that are nothing but sinners for purposely or unknowingly ruining the faith of believers in Allah's supreme power.
I can never ever ever agree with you because for every single problem I have I reach out directly to Allah. I call out to Him & I read Quran & I read His praises & attribute. I do not need a human to tell me that I should consult a human for any kind of problems I haveor to achieve a specific purpose. Such people make me sick because not only they themselves are weak in their faiths but they try to make other believers' faith weaker too.
And again, that is also the main reason of the down fall of muslims & pakistani people because there are too many people who in one or the other way try to make the common people believe that there has to be a human in the form of an 'aamil' (magician) who would rid all of their problems. I hate such people. Do whatever you like but do not try to involve me with your cult which you WRONGLY name ISLAMIC.
May Allah save all His creations from magicians who abuse Quran in this way & who are making the whole Islamic nation become slaves to human 'power' & beliefs that it is not GOD but humans who should be consulted.
All such magicians abusing Quran NEED to be locked up. Because every single human, believer or unbeliever, has every right to turn to Allah at any time of his life. THAT IS WHAT ISLAM IS.
Such 'aalims' need to stop claims of being 'mediums' to reach out to God. Muslims have sufferred enough already because of these aalims who have turned the purest of Islam religion some kind of cult. They should rather go start practicing KABALLAH & leave the pureity of Islam & the pure believers.
And no, I am not done. I could say alot more. I have no patience for this kind of bullsh!t. Such 'Islamic' aalims or magicians, in other words, are only trying to come across as some kind of super authority more than Allah Himself. If you practice that, maybe you need to stop immediiately & ask forgiveness of sins for misleading believers by making them believe to look up to YOU when they actually need to be calling out to GOD DIRECTLY!!!
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
Replace the word 'aalim' in my posts to 'aamils'. I think aalim means a scholar whereas 'aamils' are those 'Islamic' magicians I am referring to in my above post.
SargeCandy,
People who abuse Quran by writing specific parts of it on papers / tawizes or use the Quranic writings or numbers of verses in any other ways are MAGICIANS. There is no other more acceptable word for them no matter how much 'Candy' you put in your talk to make people look at you as some kind of supreme authority.
The first & foremost lesson of Islam is not to commit SHIRK. Shirk is associating with Allah anyone or anything other than Allah. All those 'aalims' who invite people to come to them are comitting SHIRK. There is no other way to put it.
Allah invites every single believer amongst His whole creation to come to Him DIRECTLY to rid any worry, to ask Him DIRECTLY for any favor, to reach out to Him DIRECTLY in good or bad times no matter what the believer is calling him for. So, people like you who encourage Allah's creation to come to them or any human or thing OTHER THAN Allah are not only comitting SHIRK themselves but promoting it to. Such people are misguiding Allah's creation.
In Islam, there is absolutely no 'medium' to reach out to Allah. This is the major difference between Islam & other religions. Allah encourages every single believer to call & reach out to Allah DIRECTLY & He would help him out & bless him no matter what.
My strong belief is that even in the most difficult of times, patience & remeberance of God is what protects humans from any kind of evil. But people who like to justify acts of shirk by misinterpreting Quranic references or hadeeses make me sick.
Reading Quran & Allah's attributes & praises by every believer in good or bad times is one thing but completely brainwashing them by luring them to go to a certain man, woman or adopt certain cult practices invloving Quran, Quran's chapters, verses or their numbers is completely another & I do not consider it anything but MAGIC & people committing that are nothing but sinners for purposely or unknowingly ruining the faith of believers in Allah's supreme power.
I can never ever ever agree with you because for every single problem I have I reach out directly to Allah. I call out to Him & I read Quran & I read His praises & attribute. I do not need a human to tell me that I should consult a human for any kind of problems I haveor to achieve a specific purpose. Such people make me sick because not only they themselves are weak in their faiths but they try to make other believers' faith weaker too.
And again, that is also the main reason of the down fall of muslims & pakistani people because there are too many people who in one or the other way try to make the common people believe that there has to be a human in the form of an 'aamil' (magician) who would rid all of their problems. I hate such people. Do whatever you like but do not try to involve me with your cult which you WRONGLY name ISLAMIC.
May Allah save all His creations from magicians who abuse Quran in this way & who are making the whole Islamic nation become slaves to human 'power' & beliefs that it is not GOD but humans who should be consulted.
All such magicians abusing Quran NEED to be locked up. Because every single human, believer or unbeliever, has every right to turn to Allah at any time of his life. THAT IS WHAT ISLAM IS.
Such 'aalims' need to stop claims of being 'mediums' to reach out to God. Muslims have sufferred enough already because of these aalims who have turned the purest of Islam religion some kind of cult. They should rather go start practicing KABALLAH & leave the pureity of Islam & the pure believers.
And no, I am not done. I could say alot more. I have no patience for this kind of bullsh!t. Such 'Islamic' aalims or magicians, in other words, are only trying to come across as some kind of super authority more than Allah Himself. If you practice that, maybe you need to stop immediiately & ask forgiveness of sins for misleading believers by making them believe to look up to YOU when they actually need to be calling out to GOD DIRECTLY!!!
hmmm...pretty sarcastic way to reply the post :)
about putting candy in post :) lol, easier said than done.
If u lack some knowledge, then dont blame others for it. Maybe its the term(aamil) that confuses u or like i said lack of knowledge on ur part.
Black magicians use Koran and People who cure people from Black magic also use Koran.
Lets call Black magicians BMs and those who cure Ambs1, after ur name.
The BM's recite Koran backwards, this way satan/satans becomes happy and grants the person powers, negative powers, powers to harm people.
The Ambs1 can be people who are dervish, fakeer, WaliALLAH, or any other sort of Roohani people who may have acquired spritualism through chillas etc. Such people use moakils associated with words of ALLAH from Koran. e.g. ALLAH's name, Ya Hayee-o, Ya Qayumm-o only. There are people who do chilla of only these words and when moakills are born, then they need to control them.
Thats why its said that wazifas also should be done through "permission" only except the common wazifas, opne for anyone to do.
The Ambs1 can also use jinns for help.These can be acquired through different methods:
1. sometimes when jinns see a pious person who loves ALLAH and is very close to ALLAH than an average muslim, they come to him to seek knowledge. They may become his mureed also.and he may ask them to counter Black magic done on someone and kill the evil jinns that attack the person affected by Black magic.
2.He may counter Black magic done on someone and the evil jinns sent on affected person will come under control of ambs1. Now he can either free them or kill them or can do anything with them.
I explained just 2 methods, there maybe many more.So thats about the Aamil thing. I dont need to explain what Black magicians do, the ways are malicious and everyone knows usually.
Coming to Asking from ALLAH: By all means go ahead and ask from ALLAH. Who is stopping u or who is asking u2 agree with me. i didnt ask you. Lol, who is asking u show patience, start jumping around out of impatience if u want, like, who cares man.
However, there are pious people out there who are closer to ALLAH than us and very humble about it too. ALLAH listens to them more as they are constantly remembering HIM. The duas of such people can get accepted more quickly than that of sinners like us.
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
Most of what you said still does not make sense to me. 'Chillah' I have heard that name quite a few times but have no idea what it is. I always believed that that also has to do with magic & your post confirms it.
Reading Quran, praising Allah & reciting His attributes would bring alot of sawab & through that power of praising God & consulting Him & Him only, would bring safety, blessings & barakaats to your life. But using the same Quran & other Islamic material in a certain way & then luring people to believe in a power other than God's is a sin. I dont know why you cant see that.
Also, are you justifying the presence of so many such magicians at the corner of every Pakistani street??? Have you seen those boards & pamphlets of these islamic magicians? I have & I found absolutely nothing 'spiritual' about their acts of luring innocent people into scames & their evil practices.
On the other hand, if you are referring to those pious people who are closer to God, where did I deny that there are such people who exist & are dear to God & their duas are almost always granted (& I quote you):
".....there are pious people out there who are closer to ALLAH than us and very humble about it too. ALLAH listens to them more as they are constantly remembering HIM. The duas of such people can get accepted more quickly than that of sinners like us."
So, there is a difference between, 'dua' & using Quranic material in a way of tawiizes, etc. I have seen how this is a dirty business of these so called islamic 'aalims' & how their practices actually mess up common people's lives instead of providing any good. No evil things must occure when you remember & praise God because evil things come from lucifier & good things are from God. So, if these aamils are practicing any 'good', there wont be sitting at so filthy places, they would not be advertising about their evil 'services' & their 'services' would not invove harming other people. I happened to read pamphlets of some such 'aamils' who would leave them under your car vipors or toss into your house gate. Makes me feel ashamed of how they are allowed to advertise about their 'evil' services & people, more & more of whom are developing weaker faiths, even visit them.
If you're talking about 'curing' some poor soul who is sufferring from black magic or jin possession, that is entirely a different thing altogether because in that case you are helping a man/woman out of oppression caused by black magic or jin.
And for your information, I am not religious at all. I am not even regular with my prayers & do not regularly read Quran (only surah Kahf). But we (I & my cousin) once saw a jin who turned into white smoke & disappeared within 7-10mins after we saw them .Does that mean we scared them away? None of us is even remotely religious.
Most of what you said still does not make sense to me. 'Chillah' I have heard that name quite a few times but have no idea what it is. I always believed that that also has to do with magic & your post confirms it.
Its apparent you dont have proper information about magic, so its better to learn or ask more instead of commenting
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Reading Quran, praising Allah & reciting His attributes would bring alot of sawab & through that power of praising God & consulting Him & Him only, would bring safety, blessings & barakaats to your life. But using the same Quran & other Islamic material in a certain way & then luring people to believe in a power other than God's is a sin. I dont know why you cant see that.
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I have already explained how Quran is used for good by Muslim and how its used in a negative way by Black magicians.
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Also, are you justifying the presence of so many such magicians at the corner of every Pakistani street??? Have you seen those boards & pamphlets of these islamic magicians? I have & I found absolutely nothing 'spiritual' about their acts of luring innocent people into scames & their evil practices.
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Again its apparent, u dont understand the difference between who the ones who do black magic and the ones who cure it. The ones ur talking about are black magicians only. the ones who cure it dont advertise.
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On the other hand, if you are referring to those pious people who are closer to God, where did I deny that there are such people who exist & are dear to God & their duas are almost always granted (& I quote you):
".....there are pious people out there who are closer to ALLAH than us and very humble about it too. ALLAH listens to them more as they are constantly remembering HIM. The duas of such people can get accepted more quickly than that of sinners like us."
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Finally, u understood something.Yes im mentioning about them.
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So, there is a difference between, 'dua' & using Quranic material in a way of tawiizes, etc. I have seen how this is a dirty business of these so called islamic 'aalims' & how their practices actually mess up common people's lives instead of providing any good. No evil things must occure when you remember & praise God because evil things come from lucifier & good things are from God. So, if these aamils are practicing any 'good', there wont be sitting at so filthy places, they would not be advertising about their evil 'services' & their 'services' would not invove harming other people. I happened to read pamphlets of some such 'aamils' who would leave them under your car vipors or toss into your house gate. Makes me feel ashamed of how they are allowed to advertise about their 'evil' services & people, more & more of whom are developing weaker faiths, even visit them.
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Taweez is a completely different topic. i will get on it when i have time later today.But again, the term "aamil" confuses you, so i used the terms black magicians and the ones who cure it, two different sets of people.
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If you're talking about 'curing' some poor soul who is sufferring from black magic or jin possession, that is entirely a different thing altogether because in that case you are helping a man/woman out of oppression caused by black magic or jin.
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Yes, I am talking about that from the start, when i mention the set of people who cure black magic.
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And for your information, I am not religious at all. I am not even regular with my prayers & do not regularly read Quran (only surah Kahf). But we (I & my cousin) once saw a jin who turned into white smoke & disappeared within 7-10mins after we saw them .Does that mean we scared them away? None of us is even remotely religious.
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I am really not interested in your personal affairs.
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
Taweez are used for different purposes.
if the taweez is for curing or breaking effects of black magic, this is usually done by writing some ayats or words of ALLAH on a piece of paper and its worn. What actually happens is that, the person who gives them is an aamil of those ayat and has controlled moakills related with those ayat etc. Thus the moakills start their work when the person wears them and fight the evil jinns that try to harm him.
Such taweez are only effective if their moakills are activated.
If the taweez is written for any negative purpose, this is done differently in different religions and regions. Usually, different signs are made which maybe of a human sketch marking the areas to be affected, for example, brain, heart, limbs etc.Or they can be written in a language understood by magicians only.
Such taweez givers are found everywhere and advertise about marriages, jobs, getting back lover, putting husband on right path etc. These are the most dangerous ones and one should refrain from Aamils who give taweez for such purposes.
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
is it true that people who get sick due to black magic done on them have perfectly healthy medical reports ?
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can somebody get sick due to black magic & without the use of taweez ?
is it true that people who get sick due to black magic done on them have perfectly healthy medical reports ?
Yes, its true.
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can somebody get sick due to black magic & without the use of taweez ?
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Yes, that happens also.
Sarge,
For sure, you would find people who would believe these tawizes & other 'unusual' practices of using Quran, verses & the numbers in certain ways to achieve certain objectives because there are plenty which these kinds of beliefs. Not me, never, not at all. Religion to me is very simple because religion is supposed to be very simple. Prayers, fasting, reading Quran, rememberance of God as much as possible. That is islam for me. Very simple. Even when you face problems, special duas to God & that's it. Why confuse yourself & other followers?
Yeah, black magic & jin possession cases are not so common so in those cases, those exceptionally religious scholars, certainly, they are those of the most pious, else, how would they be able to handle a jin or cure black magic. But I dont think you completely understand what kind of self acclaimed 'islamic aamils' I am referring to. Next time, I find any of such pamphlets, I would try to have it scanned & post for your information. I would really like to know your opinion about their 'services'. I am against all those advertising scams & misunse of Quran & Islamic material.
Rest God knows the best.
Sarge,
For sure, you would find people who would believe these tawizes & other 'unusual' practices of using Quran, verses & the numbers in certain ways to achieve certain objectives because there are plenty which these kinds of beliefs. Not me, never, not at all. Religion to me is very simple because religion is supposed to be very simple. Prayers, fasting, reading Quran, rememberance of God as much as possible. That is islam for me. Very simple. Even when you face problems, special duas to God & that's it. Why confuse yourself & other followers?
Yeah, black magic & jin possession cases are not so common so in those cases, those exceptionally religious scholars, certainly, they are those of the most pious, else, how would they be able to handle a jin or cure black magic. But I dont think you completely understand what kind of self acclaimed 'islamic aamils' I am referring to. Next time, I find any of such pamphlets, I would try to have it scanned & post for your information. I would really like to know your opinion about their 'services'. I am against all those advertising scams & misunse of Quran & Islamic material.
Rest God knows the best.
My earlier post has all of the answers related to your post, i dont want to go around in circles over one word.
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
Is woodo blackmagic or white magic?
Re: Is there any other type of magic besides black magic?
^^
Black magic.