Is there a Special Place in Hell for Idolators?

Allah forgives shirk

... Yet they [the Israelites] worshipped the calf even after Clear Signs had come to them; even so We forgave them; and gave Moses manifest proofs of authority. -- Sura 4:153
See also Sura 2:51-52, describing the same specific event. [This holds not only for the Israelites, Sura 6:76-78 asserts that even Abraham took the sun, the moon, and the stars as idols. This is sheer polytheism; yet Muslims respect Abraham as he is portrayed in the Qur'an as a great prophet, and nevertheless they believe that prophets are sinless.]

I suppose a Muslim could say that God abrogated his previous approach of granting forgiveness of idolatry but now does no longer forgive it. But is that so? In 6:88, after speaking of Abraham (verse 83), Isaac and Jacob (84), Moses, Job, Jesus, Joseph, Noah, David, Solomon, etc., Allah says, "Had they served other gods besides Him, their labours would have been vain indeed."

It seems obvious that since Abraham and Isaac are mentioned also (they preceeded Moses and the Hebrew slaves), and who were under the same command of "don't serve idols or your out of luck", that abrogation could not be possible in this case, since otherwise we would have to assume oscillating abrogations (no forgiveness, forgiveness, no forgiveness) suggesting that God cannot make up his mind. This would be utterly unworthy of God, who is eternally the same and as the All-wise does not need change his laws because he is surprised by new developments.

On the other hand, we can even find a general statement about the forgiveness of shirk, since Sura 25:68-71 speaks about people who worship gods other than God and when they repent, believe, and work righteousness then God not only forgives them but He even substitutes their sins (sayyi'aat) with righteouss credit (

The place reserved for the mushrikoon is the very lowest in the hellfire.

All Muslims beware, Allah (swt) mentions that idolators and backbiters will be plunged into the lowest levels of hell.

So, not only will you be in hell, but you'll be surrounded by Hindu's and Sikh's!

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Originally posted by Akif:
**Yes Andhra bhai.

The people of the book will be in a corner plot in hell, where the temperature will be controlled with insulation purchased at Home Depot @12 cents/square foot. The thermostat there will not exceed 150 degrees C. However, the section of hell designated for unrecognized idolators (hindus, budhists etc) will be in a fixed temperature zone, without any insulation. The temperature has been told to exceed 250 degrees C. However, they will be provided those cute little battery operated hand held fans, which have the ability to reduce the heat sensation to as low as 249 degrees C.

However, heaven will have auto-controlled thermostats provided by Honeywell for free.**
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LOL-HALARIOUS :-D


**Parde ilm hazaar kitaaba...kaddee apnai aap nu parya naee.." **BULLEY SHAH

All this reminds me of a tale my grandfather told me once,

Long before the partition and independance of India, there was this sepoy in the Indian Army, called Maula Bakash. In those days Desi people in the army did not rise to the high ranking posts so all the officers used to be Angrez.

Everytime Maula Bakash saluted his Captain Saheb, a big cheeky grinn went across his face, which started to bother the Captain Saheb a little bit after a while.

One day when Maula Bakash saluted the Saheb and then started grinning, the Saheb could hold himself no longer, so he asked him,

"Maula Bakash ! what is it with you that every time you salute me, you have a taunting smile on your face"?

Spitting his mouthful of Pan-masala out and clearing his throat and then spitting away the flem (BALGAM) about 10 feet away, replied Maula Bakash,

"Well Captain Saheb, it is like this, you may be superior than I am in this life but after this life you will not be."

"How so" ? asked the Captain Saheb in amazement.

"Well, I'm a Muslim and you are not." replied Maula Bakash.

"What differance does that make" ? asked the Saheb.

With even a bigger grinn on his face came back a reply from Maula Bakash,

"Well Saheb, my Quran says that only the muslims will be allowed in the Paradise, where it will be very beautiful, with all the luxories and young virgins and many more beautiful things."

"Well, I'm very happy for you Maula Bakash and good luck to you, but how will it make you superior than me"? asked the Captain Saheb.

After a little pause, with a trembling voice and his eyes dug into the ground replied Maula Bakash,

"And you Sir, it says in my Quran that you will go to hell, where it is very smelly and dirty and there will be no luxories to have. So after death I will be in a superior position than you are Sir."

"That's not a problem, Maula Bakash", said the Captain Saheb, "Because when you go to Paradise, it will not take very long for the likes of you to make that place filthy with you spitting flem and your pan-masala and turn it into a real Hell. While I will make sure that when I go to Hell, I get rid of all the filth and smell, clean it up, plant some lovely flowers, make it luxorious and turn it into a real Paradise."

Well, if god is all know and omnipotent and omni everything, then I am sure he is wise enough to decide who should go to Heaven and who should go to hell. I mean where just human, most of us cant even say for cetain if we will be going to heaven.

Lol, thats is really funny…

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thanks.