Re: Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
This thread is a good illustration of that old phrase "*** mein haddiyaan dhoondna".
Incorrect. That is because the region is rife with Weapons. US media has reported that US weapons end up in the hands of Taliban because ANA (Afghan national army) officials sell them.
Secondly it is very very common in history for nations to use proxies to get their dirty work done. The CIA has done it. RAW has done it. The ISI has done it.
Lastly to get weapons to the TTP they would have to come from two routes. Iran or Afghanistan. They won't come from Iran because the TTP is Sunni and Iran is Shia.
Lastly the TTP and the different groups in Afghanistan use different tactics. HII, QS and HG use IEDs. And their armed attacks though limited are with more modern forms of weapons.
The TTP on the other hand use Suicide bombers usually with RDX which is a Military grade explosive, which Pakistan does not have a lot of nor do we produce it from what our media says. So they can't get it from a Pakistani source.
Even Afghan Taliban is also employing suicide bombers.
TTP has only recently gained its foothold in Punjab and their old form was/is still active in NWFP which has it's close proximity with Afghanistan.In anyway it is simple to think that they have got links with Afghan Taliban.Infact,that would be their most convenient and easy source of arms and resource supplies.
You may recall last year's Lahore Police Academy attack and a few instances those followed ,where Afghan nationals had been involved in TTP attacks.
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What is the TTPs old form?
You see that would make sense if their source of ammunition and weapons were 10 year old AK-47s and not RPGs, C4 and RDX which can not be produced outside of factories.
TTP weapons are not indegiously made. That is evident with all attacks. Additionally be it Afghan Taliban or Hizb-e-Islami those weapons are usually locally produced or provided by Pakistan or Iran. That does not include extremely expensive and rare explosives.
Simply put it would make sense if both groups had the same grade of weapons. But the TTP actually have more sophisticated sources of weapons and explosives.
Look to highlight the differences between the groups I would highly recommend reading the three books by Ahmad Rashid. And then translation of the Afghan Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan. All 4 books provide a very concrete view of the differences between the two groups and the history of the different militants groups.
Re: Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
by the same logic, supporting USA is supporting the destruction of the Japanese cities, the Massacres they carried out in Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, Indonesia.
If you don't know any of those then read the book "The Shock Doctrine"
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Also India is supporting Talibans who are carrying out attacks in Pakistan, So arelette hindian the question you asked is just a troll, you are not serious, since you know all of that. you dumb .....
Re: Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
No!
Taliban and Terrorism, both are very vague terms, and intentionally miss used. Part of psy-ops.
As someone rightly said, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter…
There is a whole lot of mix of different groups and different ideologies among what west (and our own people) now call Taliban… this is an easy way to label every person a terrorist, and get a license to kill, who falls under these:
i) a man with beard and turban, irrespective of his religious views and practice (a killer, drug dealer, kidnapper, school teacher, bus conductor, a religious scholar and layman all grouped under one name)
ii) a pakhtoon, if he’s not secular
iii) a religious man who wants to practice islam in each and every dimension of his life (which is what Islam really expects us to do) irrespective of whether he wears a turban or a p-cap, he is clean shaven or is bearded.
iv) may be more which i missed.
so no, support for Taliban is not a support for terrorism… but again, as many people above have already mentioned taliban are not all same, even the ones operating in Pakistan are not all working under one name, if they were all one, there was no point of operating in one area while having a peace deal in another… this difference in treatment clearly expresses the difference in militia.
even those with whom Pakistan maintains a peace deal, their areas are not 100% clean of the bad ones.
read for more…http://rupeenews.com/2009/04/04/the-different-types-of-taliban-the-good-bad-and-the-ugly/
the most sensible post in this thread uptil now.
What is the TTPs old form?
You see that would make sense if their source of ammunition and weapons were 10 year old AK-47s and not RPGs, C4 and RDX which can not be produced outside of factories.
TTP weapons are not indegiously made. That is evident with all attacks. Additionally be it Afghan Taliban or Hizb-e-Islami those weapons are usually locally produced or provided by Pakistan or Iran. That does not include extremely expensive and rare explosives.
Simply put it would make sense if both groups had the same grade of weapons. But the TTP actually have more sophisticated sources of weapons and explosives.
Look to highlight the differences between the groups I would highly recommend reading the three books by Ahmad Rashid. And then translation of the Afghan Taliban Ambassador to Pakistan. All 4 books provide a very concrete view of the differences between the two groups and the history of the different militants groups.
RPG is not that difficult to obtain.It's available from the Mujahideen era in Afghanistan and also it's variants are being used in Iraq,Chechnya and other places(The reason I cited these two places because of their regional importance). Moreover,I would say that RPG or such weapons are not that `sophisticated' these days compared to the standards of fight hardened people like Taliban ,or erstwhile L.T.T.E and others.Even Hamaz produces R.P.G 's domestically,like yasin, Al Bana etc.Ofcourse for an organization like Taliban,who knows in and out of Afghanistan it would be easy for them to produce them indigenously....(Just like they are making I.E.D's)
I would invite your attenion to the fact that Kalashnikoves and other weapons were openly available in Peshawar .(I do not forget the fact that many of them might have been smuggled from outside). So there is no wonder that TTP is having it's indigenous supply of weapons.
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Since you have an answer for everything please tell me how the TTP gets access to RDX a military grade explosive? Or C4? Or High range communication hardware? Or bullets? Heavy weapons?
And no none of these things can be built in Afghanistan or in FATA.
I stopped paying attention to your posts a couple of pages back.......
Yes you did. ;) I will be so sad for the rest of my life for not getting your 'valuable' attention...:D
Since you have an answer for everything please tell me how the TTP gets access to RDX a military grade explosive? Or C4? Or High range communication hardware? Or bullets? Heavy weapons?
And no none of these things can be built in Afghanistan or in FATA.
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Re: Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
the assertion that ttp(mehsud) and tta are exactly the same groups is wrong.
for some reason the tta have not been, so far, willing to encourage the fight against pakistan. thats very strange because pak army have been doing alot of anti tta work. it seems that gen. Gul's view that they forgive pakistan and view it as 'majburistan' is very weighty on this.
its the attitude towards pakistan which seperates the two
Since you have an answer for everything please tell me how the TTP gets access to RDX a military grade explosive? Or C4? Or High range communication hardware? Or bullets? Heavy weapons?
And no none of these things can be built in Afghanistan or in FATA.
TTP does attack Pak Security forces and it's establishments.Is it not that they can get these weapons by attacking armed depots?
Just like Maoists attacking Indian security posts and stealing arms and ammunitions...
Or in an extreme case ........................................................................................... (I do not want to mention it here)........... Sorry............
Re: Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
^ Man wtf is wrong with you? Why can't you keep your intellectual diarrhea in political forums? People who are interested in this crap will go read it there, but then you start puking it all over the forums which is quite unsightly. You and whatever you post around here.
India do not have any business with TTP.It has got nothing to do with any party involved in Pakistan,in any manner.All we need is a stable democratic Pakistan. 
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Re: Is support to Taliban, a support to terrorism?
Arty post the article. Its common knowledge in Pakistan. If you can google the PA forums for the entire debate. I can't access them but the entire story is there.
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^ Have you meant that article which we both discussed?
I also do not have access to PA Forum . 
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Yup that is the article and when the hell did you get banned from the PA forums?
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^Long back 