Is smoking unIslamic?

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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Again, question is if a person smokes in the privacy of his room, then is it still HARAAM?Are you saying its MAKROOH or are you saying its HARAAM? Not clear. If you say its MAKROOH, I have no problem, cz then it becomes a matter of personal choice. Majority of scholars claim that eating prawns and shrimps is also MAKROOH.All of these are good points, and its clear that cigarette smoking is wasteful, stupid and dangerous. Question remains, does it cross the threshold of HARAAM? Or more importantly, what is the threshold of HARAAM? And its HALAAL, right? :)
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Is the room cut off from the rest of the world? if the person is married and has kids, are kids going in out and out of the room, AFTER, the smoking...if yes, then they are still at risk because the smoke clears out, but the gasses that are lethal for your health stay around for a while, even if you are blowing the air out the window.
what am i declaring it?
I'm declaring it Haram, because it kills. It kills you and the people around you. It is killing our future before they are even born. I can give u facts on that too...
for me the threashold is finding enough evidence, both scientifically and religiously, that would say that it is not good for you, smoking is just a slow, boring, process of suicide. I have provided both in my argument above.

All of you non smokers, get over your pathetic selves. All of you Maulans keep your fatwas where they belong, that is right ..bite your lips. Smoking is not Haram. Not one of you can prove it with any authentication.

:Blows the smoke towards Faisal:.

Spock, sure it is filthy habit and you hope its haram, ever wonder what Islam says about Music....ooops all those concerts you like to attend of the sharabis(Junoon) they are haram my friend. :)

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
All of you non smokers, get over your pathetic selves. All of you Maulans keep your fatwas where they belong, that is right ..bite your lips. Smoking is not Haram. Not one of you can prove it with any authentication.

:Blows the smoke towards Faisal:.

Spock, sure it is filthy habit and you hope its haram, ever wonder what Islam says about Music....ooops all those concerts you like to attend of the sharabis(Junoon) they are haram my friend. :)
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Kaleem, just because you love smoking makes it permissable, and makes us 'maulans (whatever that is)' and 'pathetic'... Very nice and convincing argument! Maybe you are a sharabi too, easy to label someone, isnt it?

And yes, please use your grey matter and read again, I said 'I hope its haraam'. Whether its actually haraam is not for me or you to decide.

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
All of you non smokers, get over your pathetic selves. All of you Maulans keep your fatwas where they belong, that is right ..bite your lips. Smoking is not Haram. Not one of you can prove it with any authentication.

:Blows the smoke towards Faisal:.

Spock, sure it is filthy habit and you hope its haram, ever wonder what Islam says about Music....ooops all those concerts you like to attend of the sharabis(Junoon) they are haram my friend. :)
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gr8 argument
I'm not even gonna drop myself to your level to reply to that kind of talk.

Spock, just becasue you detest smoking and have no answer for my argument reagrding your professed love for Junoon you start hiding behind hollow words. Nice try, I know for a fact that Junoon's lead singer is a sharabi. Let me give you and tipz ( dont wanna drop) a lesson in Islam. Actually let me test your gray matter before I help you pathetic souls out.

Do you know why Sharab was decalred Haram?

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
Spock, just becasue you detest smoking and have no answer for my argument reagrding your professed love for Junoon you start hiding behind hollow words. Nice try, I know for a fact that Junoon's lead singer is a sharabi. Let me give you and tipz ( dont wanna drop) a lesson in Islam. Actually let me test your gray matter before I help you pathetic souls out.

Do you know why Sharab was decalred Haram?
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bahir jaa kar sutta lagga... Tipz is right, no need for us to stoop to your levels...

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *

Do you know why Sharab was decalred Haram?
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Brother Kaleem: can you open a separate thread on the "hurmat of sharaab". seems like you have some references... would love to read them ...

bass itni si bat thi. You have no answer for my argument and on top of that you dont even know basic teachings of Islam but are ready to jump in and tell people what is haram and what is not (this comment is for tipz).

Spock bhaijaan, thoray sey Kaan sedhay kar kay Junoon key baray mey bata do na? Does he drink or not? Simple yes or no will suffice.

Smoking was declared as makrooh earlier, partially based on the hadith on bad smell where one is advised not to eat onions and perform the prayers. Later the fatwa was revised and is declared haram once the medical affects & harm of smoking was known.

What do those same scholars say about Pure desi ghee? You know its very harmful for your arteries. What about the chai? Is it haram too? Too much of chai can cause damage to your health.

Kaleem, I listen to his music not his drinking, i.e. if he drinks at all. According to your logic, I shouldnt even listen to the Jinnah’s speeches, for he was known to consume alcohol? As far as smoking is considered, I never said its haraam or halaal, I posted my opinion, since I consider it a filthy habit, maybe Im biased since Im allergic to the smoke? But still, thats an opinion, everyone is entitled to it.

Just because you love to smoke, you find it very pleasing, does not mean we are ‘maulans’ or ‘pathetic’ Im not wasting anymore time on this tipz and AQ have said enough. :rolleyes:

Spock bhaijaan, you are missing the point. I am not asking you to stop listening to his music, I was merely pointing out the fact that Music is probably closer to being haram than smoking ever will be. Plus, if you do engage in some unislamic activity, you shoudl refrain from preaching to others. I have been guilty of doing the same in the past, I try my best to avoid it now.

Coming back to the topic, AQ has suggested that both the groups of scholars have either suggested its makrooh or Haraam. Nicotine is also one of the most addictive substances out there. Its not as lethal as some other addictive substances, but its hard to let go of. Sadly, in Pakistan are not prevented from smoking in doors, and sometimes thats really an inconvenience, especially for asthema patients. Even if smoking is permissalbe according to Islam, uur religion also tells us to extend courtesy to others, and this must be taken into account before one decides to smoke in a public place.

Spock, define public space?
I agree that with small children and folks who are allergic to smoke, one should not smoke around them. However, if I am standing in the hallway of a restaurant where smoking is allowed and you happen to be there among the crowd and want me to put out my cig because you are bothered by it, I will tell you (you is used for general public not specifically you spock) to take a hike.

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
Spock bhaijaan, you are missing the point. I am not asking you to stop listening to his music, I was merely pointing out the fact that Music is probably closer to being haram than smoking ever will be. Plus, if you do engage in some unislamic activity, you shoudl refrain from preaching to others. I have been guilty of doing the same in the past, I try my best to avoid it now.
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First of all, music being close to haraam is your opinion, and I respect that, but does that mean you label us with those terms you used? I have my own views on music and other stuff? Secondly, go back and reread my post, where have I preached you on quitting smoking? I 'EXPRESSED' my opinion, hoping it is not allowed in Islam since I do not consider it a very nice habit. Some people who really want to quit smoking cannot quit it, due to the addictive nature, maybe if its proven that its unislamic, might give them the will power to make an attempt to let go of it...

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
Spock, define public space?
I agree that with small children and folks who are allergic to smoke, one should not smoke around them. However, if I am standing in the hallway of a restaurant where smoking is allowed and you happen to be there among the crowd and want me to put out my cig because you are bothered by it, I will tell you (you is used for general public not specifically you spock) to take a hike.
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On the contrary, it does affect people. Like I said before, in most Muslim nations, non-smoking areas hardly exist, even if they do, no one respects them. I was selling this old calculator I had on ebay once, and I was surprised I got alot of emails from potential buyers asking me whether it was used in a smoke free environment or not, so it does make a difference to the people around you.

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*Originally posted by Kaleem: *
What do those same scholars say about Pure desi ghee? You know its very harmful for your arteries. What about the chai? Is it haram too? Too much of chai can cause damage to your health.
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Do u have some statistics on how many deaths are directly or indirectly related to consuming Pure Desi Ghee and Chai. By the way surprisingly i know a few people who reached the age of 100 and attribute there health to the consumtion of pure desi ghee.

Too much of anything can be damaging to health.

There are many reasons, any one of which are sufficient, to rule smoking as prohibited. Most importantly, it is harmful to the Deen, health, environment, family, brotherhood and social relations, property, etc.

Smoking damages a person’s act of worship, and reduces their rewards. For instance, it ruins the salaah, which is a pillar of Deen. The Prophet e said: ‘Whoever eats garlic or onion, let him avoid us and our masjid, and stay in his home. The angels are surely hurt by things that hurt the human beings.’ (Al-Bukhari and Muslim) ( i am not quite sure of this one :konfused: )

Those people, with clean and pure nature, have no doubt that the smell emanating from the mouth of a smoker is worse and more foul than that from the mouth of one who ate garlic or onion. Therefore, a smoker has two options, either to harm the praying people and the angels with his foul smell, or abstain from the prayer with jama’ah.

Smoking also ruins fasting. Fasting becomes very hard on the smoker. As soon as the day is over, he hastens to break his fast on an evil cigarette instead of sweet dates or pure water. Even if he fasts throughout the month of Ramadhaan he will be reluctant to fast on other days. Thus he loses the great reward of those who fast even one day in Allah’s path.

The harm that smoking does to the human body is undeniable. The medical evidence for this is well established and overwhelming.

Smoking contains poisonous materials, such as nicotine, tar, carbon monoxide, arsenic, benzopyrene, etc., which the smoker inhales in small proportions. Their harm accumulates in time, resulting in a gradual damage of the human organs and tissues.

The hazards of smoking to health are hard to count. Cancer, tuberculosis, heart attacks, asthma, coughing, premature birth, infertility, infections in the digestive system, high blood pressure, nervousness, mouth and teeth diseases, etc., are among the many health hazards that have been strongly linked to smoking.

These diseases may not all appear at once, but a smoker runs the risk of suffering from some of them, and his suffering increases as he grows older. Furthermore, statistics have established that smokers, on the average, reduce their age by ten years.

This in itself is sufficient to prohibit smoking. Islam prohibits any action that causes harm to oneself or to other people. Allah Ta’ala says :

‘Do not kill yourselves, Allah is indeed merciful to you.’
(An-Nisa’ 4-29)

‘Do not cast yourselves, with your own hands, into destruction.’
(Al-Baqarah 2:195)

And the Messenger sallallahu alaihe wasallam says: ‘No harm may be inflicted on oneself or others.’
(Ahmad and Ibn Maajah from Ibn Abbaas and Ubaadah)

‘The feet of a human being will not depart, on the day of Judgement, from his standing before his Lord, until he is questioned about five things: his lifetime - how did he pass it, his youth - how did he used it, his wealth - where did he earn it and how did he spend it, and how did he follow what he knew.’
(At-Tirmithi and others from Ibn Mas‘ud and Abu Barzah )

‘Whoever consumes poison, killing himself with it, then he will he consuming his poison in the hellfire, and he will abide in it permanently and eternally.’
(Al-Bukhari and Muslim from Jaabir)

Smoking is also harmful to the human mind and its power to reason. An obvious demonstration of this is that one who is addicted to it passes through periods of severe craving, making it hard for him to think, concentrate, solve a problem, or do any important matter, until he smokes.
His digestive system is also affected, causing him frequent nervousness and trembling of the hands. He passes through periods of excitability and he becomes an insomniac.

A smoker, whether he likes it or not, makes an example of himself for his children and others to follow. He leads them to commit this evil. Actions sometimes have a stronger effect than words. Thus, even if he advises them or forbids them from smoking, his partaking of it provides them with a strong excuse to do it

Kaleem... kisayni bili kumbha nochey... Just because you LOVE smoking and find that other ppl are against it, and have clearly posted enough evidence of that, you are just going around pointing fingers now. If you like to make a point, against what everyone else has said, plz come with facts. Quit pointing fingers at people, nobody did that.
And I'm not a "mullah", as I said in one of the posts, I am just stating a well thought out opinoin backed by facts, references from hadees and Quran and studies. When you can do the same, then we'll have an argument about anything.
If you disagree, cool. I would love to hear your side of the arguments, but not the ignorance that you are showing by just pointing fingers.

I personally think so...theres nothing in the Quran or the hadiths that clearly says it but its harming your lungs n ppl do die because of smoking

‘Do not kill yourselves, Allah is indeed merciful to you.’
(An-Nisa’ 4-29)

‘Do not cast yourselves, with your own hands, into destruction.’
(Al-Baqarah 2:195)