Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
To quote Sharmeen herself - honour killings are happening largely because they are no convictions, people simply don't get punished. What exactly is stopping Pakistan to effectively practice the existing laws which sees honour killing as murder?
If there is justice in Pakistan, the crime rate from top to bottom will significantly reduce, not that people will stop committing the crimes all together (well majority of them will).
I know what you are saying. I meant that whatever is required to reduce/eliminate honor killing is probably out of the reach of Chinoy, though she has met with Sharif couple of years ago to figure out how to strengthen the law to prevent this crime in Pakistan.
Btw, this women right bill that just became the law, does it say anything about honor killing? I haven't read the details of it.
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
Fine she exploited social ills for personal gains, but at the same time, they were there for the picking. If she didn't do it, sooner or later someone else would have. Instead of pointing fingers and employing blame game, people should focus on the root cause of the problems. Her documentary was seen by the Prime Minister, he instructed his government to do something about it. That's big. It is funny how no one looks at that and everyone just finds faults for nitpicking. Grow up. If you are so angered by her making documentaries on whatever is wrong in Pakistan, go out and do something about it; but no, obviously you won't. This kind of jingoism isn't good, don't be blind to social and societal wrongs. Honour killings, acid attacks, misogyny etc are very much a reality. Whether you wanna turn a blind eye to this whole situation, that's another scenario.
Not specifically covered. It talks more about shelter homes. Even it does not define offence or terms like Domestic violence. Would say badly drafted. The Bill says certain rules will be made under the Act (ones the bill is approved or is it already passed and become Act?).
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
I know what you are saying. I meant that whatever is required to reduce/eliminate honor killing is probably out of the reach of Chinoy, though she has met with Sharif couple of years ago to figure out how to strengthen the law to prevent this crime in Pakistan.
Btw, this women right bill that just became the law, does it say anything about honor killing? I haven't read the details of it.
Honour killing is a first degree murder in Pakistan and punishment for murder in Pakistan is death penalty or life imprisonment. So there are laws, you just need convictions! Start punishing fathers, brothers, uncles, husbands who kill women in the name of honour as murderers, and you'll start to make some progress towards eliminating the evil. Sharemeen would agree with me on that!
In UK we don't have any special 'laws' or 'punishment' for passion crimes because when they go to court, they are just treated as murders, but depending on the case and the quality of the lawyer, it can be decided whether it was a first degree murder or second. But really. it's just seen as murders which is exactly how honour killings need to be viewed and treated in Pakistan.
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
Honour killing is a first degree murder in Pakistan and punishment for murder in Pakistan is death penalty or life imprisonment. So there are laws, you just need convictions! Start punishing fathers, brothers, uncles, husbands who kill women in the name of honour as murderers, and you'll start to make some progress towards eliminating the evil. Sharemeen would agree with me on that!
In UK we don't have any special 'laws' or 'punishment' for passion crimes because when they go to court, they are just treated as murders, but depending on the case and the quality of the lawyer, it can be decided whether it was a first degree murder or second. But really. it's just seen as murders which is exactly how honour killings need to be viewed and treated in Pakistan.
The families can forgive the killers and are pressured to do so. If they don't forgive they get killed also. I really don't see any hope.
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
**Wo Urdu main documentary bana deti tou koi aur eitraaz hota. **Our nation is like a bucket full of crab. If ever a crab starts climbing the wall, bunch of crabs try to pull it down.
You know what I am really ticked about? That Nergis Malavala did not publish her scientific findings in Urdu. Laanat hai aisee ghair muhibb e watan aurat pe
Did you even read the article? Scientific findings are not meant to educate average people. rest read the article.
aap ne aik hi tarh ka jawab soch k rakha hota hai? Eidhi ko Nobel prize mil gya to ossay b log zaleel hi karen gay malala ki tarah
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
This is laughable that nobody could try to counter points raised in article but expressing their frustration yet liking each others comments. Bachon ki tarah :p
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
Are you drawing a parallel between Slumdog and this film? Slumdog was a commercial hit. This is a short 40 min documentary. Sharmeen probably was only able to recover the production cost, if even that.
Imagine the amount of money (or resources) you need to help eliminate the honour killing in a country like Pakistan. We Pakistani have become so sick minded that honour killing disease has even seeped into UK amongst our community.
no...the intent was not to draw parallels.
I was thinking out loud.....considering why we might expect a short documentary that would not have the backing a box office hit had, to have impact on a wider scale.
maybe I was trying to say the same thing that you have said.
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
no...the intent was not to draw parallels.
I was thinking out loud.....considering why we might expect a short documentary that would not have the backing a box office hit had, to have impact on a wider scale.
maybe I was trying to say the same thing that you have said.
I think that as far as social impact is concerned, documentaries are far more effective (should it be effective or affective?) than commercial movies. Supersize me, fahrenheit 911 and Blackfish caused a huge stir than any any commercial movie that I could remember. No?
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
I think that as far as social impact is concerned, documentaries are far more effective (should it be effective or affective?) than commercial movies. Supersize me, fahrenheit 911 and Blackfish caused a huge stir than any any commercial movie that I could remember. No?
They were about american issues, made in american language, intended for american audience, to have an impact on american way of life.
Just think, if those documentaries were in arabic language, and were shown only on Arab channels (nobody saw them in america) and got an award from Saudi Mufti, would that make sense to you?
This one about pakistani issues, intended for american audience, to have an impact on pakistani way of life.
Re: Is Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar win exploiting social ills for personal gains?
They were about american issues, made in american language, intended for american audience, to have an impact on american way of life.
Just think, if those documentaries were in arabic language, and were shown only on Arab channels (nobody saw them in america) and got an award from Saudi Mufti, would that make sense to you?
This one about pakistani issues, intended for american audience, to have an impact on pakistani way of life.
the documentary was made for international viewership, hence in English language.