is secular mind set, consistent with collective conscience?

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Re: is secular mind set, consistent with collective conscience?

Still not getting enough time and will to respond to the rest of the article, but i think i should respond to your central argument, before you loose interest in it. Actually, i do think i had responded to it quite clearly, but may be its not as clear enough to you as i thought.

@Dushwari

the personal accountability on which the morality of the self ought to anchor gets, lost, faded, subdued or utterly forgotten in the quagmire of the perils of social comparison in the race of getting ahead, being different while searching for one’s own true identity…meanwhile hopping in and out of all kinds of ill-willed sins, sometimes, of eating away on someone else’s rights, stealing one’s own peace, or that of the others’ & on top of all this, feeling an irresolvable distress of being twice far removed from religion, from morals and from a sense of being accountable to those living around oneself.

Let me say it again, that the sources of morality lie in culture not religion. Religion is a subset of culture. Now Regarding accountability, there are many ways to make people accountable, or make them think about what they are doing.

1. The way of religion, which mainly based on fear, absolute assumptions(faith) and unjust allocation of power( The power of a religious opinion leader).

2. The way of culture, which mainly based on letting someone to discover its true self, by providing a positive cultural environment, where people can feel proud of their identity.

3. The way of Law, which is also based on fear(with a sense of responsibility). But it differs from religion on the point that, In making new laws we aren’t bound to dogmas.

In a way all the points are related, and they effect each other. But in my opinion, Your personal morality is where the role of culture is most important, and your law comes into play when its about the group of people.

So what is the answer to your main question, To make people accountable, express the positive voices of culture, let people discover their identity, let them be proud of their identity, So that they can feel good about their selves, and don’t always try to mimic other nations. Mimicing is not learning(for those who, may find my opinion as against learning from other nations), you got to know yourself and then learn from others, this will make you adopt, rather then fell-apart. If people recognize and feel good about their selves culturally, and their is a positive cultural environment, then you can use the “Moral Cultural Notions” to make them think about what they are doing, and also to make them change, And all this could happen in the absense of religion.

You can pick any single “Moral Cultural Notion” from any culture and analyze its impact on the people who recognize themselves from that culture, and understand totally what i’m saying.

The main assumption, which i’m making is that, **“Once people recognize there self as cultural, i.e. call themsleves as Punjabi, Pashtoon, Balochi or Sindhi and when they are proud of this cultural identity, then that cultural identity in the presence of a positive cultural environment will make them do good mostly”. **

Now from this context, i can’t see a “morality which is bound to the religions”, and further “a secular” person which is immoral and “a religious” person which is moral, What i’m seeing is that there are negative voices comming in from the all directions, and there are people who are confused about their identity at all levels, and have low self-respect. Further the distinction which i can see clearly in people(mostly) is that, there are masters and slaves, But i can see both of them, equally low in self-respect.

I would like to see responses on this.