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huh ??
Alcohol and intoxicating drinks are haraam. If the beer is without alcohol and doesnt have an intoxicating effect, then it is to be considered an ordinary drink. And y shouldn’t it ?? Isn’t this common sense ??
ok, i just talked to my neighbour…her brother makes beer and she knows quite a lot about this, she’s also aware of how its made in various plants. She’s non-muslim btw.
Non-alcoholic beer, of any kind has small amounts of alcohol in it, which makes it haraam…alcohol will not be listed as one of the ingredients even if it has small amounts of it.
Root beer, however, if not fermented is okay. If the source is a fountain, for example… and carbonated water, sugar, syrup are listed as ingredients, then its fine and not haraam. Pristine, she says the A&W beer is fine, so ur friends wife is right
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However, if the root beer has been fermented and a little alcohol has been added, its haraam.
Al-Imran-3:160 *~~“If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust.”~~ ***
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thats just great.....astro, "modern culture" might be important to u and Islam's ruling on some of these issues might seem comical to u but the fact of the matter is, ur opinion or anyone else's is not relevant and does not change Islamic teachings...wether u like it or not. *Same goes for the "rebels"
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I beg your pardon? May I kindly ask what you meant by that statement in bold?
They shoot partypoopers, don't they?
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Thanks 4 the info, hk. I was suspecting as much, bcz the lady in question seems quietly confident and knowledgable.
The word 'beer' always conjure in my mind, something which is haraam. So even if it is made from corn, as in the case of A&W Root Beer, I'd stay away. Not because it is haraam, but bcz I just don't like the taste/smell of it.
Anyway, re: rebel... I would think the word 'rebel' (wrt Partypooper) may not be appropriate (although he used it himself). Instead this is what I believe:
When there is sufficient evidence for genuine difference of opinion amongst scholars on islamic rulings (e.g. pictures), a muslim can/should follow the ruling where he feels there is a stronger evidence. Where the muslim cannot determine that, he should instead rely on the scholar whom he feels is more knowledgable. If he can't even determine that, then he should rely on the scholar whom he usually refers to for any other islamic matter. In any case, (contrary to what many of us do,) convenience, personal opinion, choice or desire do not constitute a valid basis for following a particular ruling.
Then again, the second type of people are those (in some instances I, myself, may also be in this category), who know that there is something which is prohibited, but still do it, and hope and pray Allah will forgive them (eg. listening to music).
Difference of opinion, means genuine difference of opinion amongst qualified scholars. It does not mean that I, in my mind think that the scholar is giving a wrong opinion. And without any research or knowledge, to consider the contrary to be a difference of opinion.
In case where an over-whelming majority of muslim scholars agree on something (in Hanafi madhab, this is called "bil-ittefaq"), then there is usually no scope left for claiming difference of opinion.
Funny thing is, I thought (wrongly ofcourse) that root bear and non-alcoholic beer is the same thing. Turns out, its not. Non-alcoholic beer is also deemed haraam by a majority of muslim scholars, incl the opinion posted by hk.
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Anyway, re: **rebel... I would think the word 'rebel' (wrt Partypooper) may not be appropriate (although he used it himself). Instead this is what I believe:
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that about covers it partypooper...u used the word "rebel" urself and obviously know what it means. I agree with what pristine has said above.
Al-Imran-3:160 **~~"If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust."~~ **
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Originally posted by Pristine:
Funny thing is, I thought (wrongly ofcourse) that **root bear and non-alcoholic beer is the same thing. Turns out, its not. Non-alcoholic beer is also deemed haraam by a majority of muslim scholars, incl the opinion posted by hk. **
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i didnt know they were the same thing either. anyway, non-alcoholic beer is haram since it always contains some amount of alcohol...eventhough the law allows the manufacurers to claim its non-alcoholic...
Al-Imran-3:160 **~~"If Allah helps you, none can overcome you: If He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? in Allah, then, Let believers put their trust."~~ **