Is Nawaz Sharif fit enough to run the country?

[TheRealDeal]

Re: Is Nawaz Sharif fit enough to run the country?

Pti are so desperate, they try this line.

Imran is a big hypocrite - using offshore accounts himself, getting medical treatment abroad himself - Pti are deluded and naive.

[Doppleganger]

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In many ways, niralas remind me of Bernie supporters. Passionate about their proposals and some of them I do agree with Imran / Bernie, but ultimately disrespectful and brash which turns you off. At least, the proposals here might get a say (or not...) in the democratic platform but imran's failures would doom his platform and make his supporters eventually burn out or explode taking a sizable chunk of Pakistan with them.

I know that I'll probably get abused like others but PTIians / niralas need to step back and do some hikmat-e-amli / laya aml?. And please, no rigging this that like Bernie as even without rigging, Shareefs would've formed a govt with allies like PPP as PTI has said that it won't form alliances with anyone except as we with JI. JI won't win a sizable portion of pakistani electorate due to their hypocrisy.

[Sachaydino]

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@GoldenAsif

A very accurate analysis by Owen Bennett-Jones

Army controlling things and deciding crucial policies from behind the scenes is not good for democracy.

Indeed, civilian governance could be better but democratic maturity takes time to evolve. We need stability and continuity of electoral process and we need electoral reforms in order to strengthen our democratic culture.

Military march

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A BRITISH politician, Enoch Powell, once remarked that all political careers end in failure. Richard Nixon may have reached the White House but later, as he looked back on his life, his reputation lay in ruins. Margaret Thatcher may have vanquished all her opponents but eventually they forced her out. Powell was right in part because the politicians’ promises are always so lavish they can never be kept.
Gen Musharraf was bound to fail the moment he promised to rid the country of corrupt politicians and to introduce ‘true’ democracy instead — whatever that is. He was vowing to accomplish more than he could deliver. And when, inevitably, he failed, the people wanted him to go. And even if Gen Musharraf has found it difficult to accept the popular verdict, the army learnt that those who hold power are held responsible for what happens.
Having taken that lesson on board, the post-Musharraf military adopted a new, subtler tactic. It decided to exercise power in all crucial areas while simultaneously allowing civilian rulers to hold office. Traditionally, the policy areas reserved for the army included the nuclear weapons programme and relations with the key foreign powers: India, Afghanistan and the United States. In the last few years, the list has expanded considerably. The establishment of apex committees, military courts and the military’s use of coercion to force the media onto the back foot means there is scarcely an area of public policy that the army is not seeking to influence or control.
You might think that it is an approach that has few downsides for the military. While they make the decisions, the civilians absorb the unpopularity that comes with the failure to deliver.
But there is a problem. The taste for power is insatiable. Its acquisition leads to the desire for more. It’s all a question of trends. The relationship between the civilians and the army is not static. Either the army is in the ascendant or the civilians are. It is not a stable situation in which the status quo can be sustained over a long period of time.
[HR][/HR]The taste for power is insatiable. Its acquisition leads to the desire for more.

[HR][/HR]There are always so many reasons for the military to persuade itself that it needs more power. Take the media. From the army’s point of view, Pakistan’s journalists should produce articles that show the country in a good light. And they should never criticise the army.
Journalists who challenge authority and focus attention on difficult social issues are being negative and unpatriotic. And yet despite all the pressure from the army some writers persist in delivering ‘negative’ articles. And for some in the security establishment that is intolerable.
And then there are the corrupt politicians. As far as the army is concerned the old deal, whereby the politicians gave in to every military budget request and in return were allowed to fill their boots with loot, should no longer apply. The army wants to change the terms of that deal so that the politicians continue to give in to military demands but stop making the money.
Which brings us to Nawaz Sharif’s hospital bed in West London. Before the prime minister’s medical crisis the military’s calculation went like this: if Raheel Sharif does not get an extension then the gains made under his tenure might be lost. Without his personal authority to keep the government in check, it could be a case of back to business as usual with corrupt politicians providing weak, ineffective central government and the army’s power on a downward trend.
And the situation, as the army sees it, is urgent because over the next few months Raheel Sharif will inevitably became weaker. Whether it is President Obama, David Cameron or Gen Sharif, it is an iron rule of politics that outgoing leaders become lame ducks. Their power slips away the moment colleagues and rivals start looking ahead to what will happen after the leader has gone. And again, in the Pakistani context, that would set trends over the next few months that the army would find hard to tolerate.
It is possible that Nawaz Sharif’s medical difficulties could help calm the situation down. What more could the army ask for than a physically weakened prime minister? But there is another way of looking at it.
As each civilian government reaches its mid term the generals start casting around for a mechanism by which they can remove it. In the past the president would have been prevailed upon to force the prime minister out. With that option not available it has not been clear how the army should go about the business of removing Nawaz Sharif and putting someone more amenable in his place.
Until he became ill, that is. Because what easier argument could there be than it is inappropriate to have Pakistan governed from a sick bed?
The writer is a British journalist and author of Pakistan: Eye of the Storm.

When I said this for many years, you guys never accepted the truth. However ‘gora’ is a prophet when he says the same thing you blindly follow My name is Sachaydino, I never lied in this forum since I joined.

[GoldenAsif]

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When I said this for many years, you guys never accepted the truth. However 'gora' is a prophet when he says the same thing you blindly follow :) My name is Sachaydino, I never lied in this forum since I joined.

Military should not meddle in politics but the equation = in order to minimise the threat, politicians HAVE to deliver.. :)
Elected lawmakers act more like elected looters, most of them anyway...sad but true

[SID_NY]

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In many ways, niralas remind me of Bernie supporters.

LOL thats so true.. and i felt exactly same way :D

[phoenixdesi]

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His mental illness is permanent, gets worse if he does not do corruption on a daily basis.

waisay sarkar aik baat to bataien.... we all know zardari sahib's great "acts" and get upset with him laikan sarkar tussi bhot hee ghussay wich ho...

lagta hai, zardari jee nay tawaday naal wee koi hath kitta jay :( khul kar story battaein hum sab ko.

[Moonstar201]

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^^ jitna wadda huth zardari ppp naal keta eyy. Baki te kuch wi nai.
A party which was lone warrior against all other political and religious parties in pk along with establishment is now looks like a shadow of it own.
No dictator was successful in breaking ppp than the great zardari. .. ghusse ki baat to hey

[Anwer_Pasha]

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^^ jitna wadda huth zardari ppp naal keta eyy. Baki te kuch wi nai. A party which was lone warrior against all other political and religious parties in pk along with establishment is now looks like a shadow of it own. No dictator was successful in breaking ppp than the great zardari. .. ghusse ki baat to hey

'' lone warrior against all other political and religious parties in pk along with establishment ''
PPP is stll lone struggling against all the evils under the chairman ship of Bilawal Bhutto

[Moonstar201]

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'' lone warrior against all other political and religious parties in pk along with establishment '' PPP is stll lone struggling against all the evils under the chairman ship of Bilawal Bhutto

I don't agree at all. There is nothing left in ppp. It is now a regional party. With some old contacts in other provinces intact only coz they don't have anywhere else to go.
The real ppp is finished n bilawal is just an attempt by the remains to get some power. Bilawal is not a leader material at all. Benazir was successful coz she overtook lagecy of Zab. Which indeed was some thing very very heavy. Further there was no such corruption baggage with her when she came into power.
Bilawal has a lagecy of benzir which itself cannot be compared with Zab at all. Further the corruption of zardari n co. Is heavy discouragement. In punjab ppl supporting ppp having a very viable alternate in pti. Maybe after 15 to 20 more years when pti comes in power n do its share of corruption n ppl look for alternate they may come back ppp not now

[Anwer_Pasha]

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@Moonstar201

I don’t agree at all. There is nothing left in ppp. It is now a regional party. With some old contacts in other provinces intact only coz they don’t have anywhere else to go.
The real ppp is finished n bilawal is just an attempt by the remains to get some power. Bilawal is not a leader material at all. Benazir was successful coz she overtook lagecy of Zab. Which indeed was some thing very very heavy. Further there was no such corruption baggage with her when she came into power.
Bilawal has a lagecy of benzir which itself cannot be compared with Zab at all. Further the corruption of zardari n co. Is heavy discouragement. In punjab ppl supporting ppp having a very viable alternate in pti. Maybe after 15 to 20 more years when pti comes in power n do its share of corruption n ppl look for alternate they may come back ppp not now

Thank you for your view , but the time to get rid of the old and failed all

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Saying this here since years
Can we get rid of these Ayyash , Badmaash , corrupt , bhattah khor , Chandah khor budhay with transplanted colored hairs,make up on their dented face , with their supporters from Estab and bureaucracy . They all have their money even children abroad

[Captain1]

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@Anwer_Pasha

I agree with you if you promise to send back the IK on his original business ‘Play boy’ and if you think that he is now old for that sort of prostitution , still he can be a better supplier , as he has experience in Mush era ,

aap IK ke mamay chachay lagtay hon to apna message usay de den… mera IK se koi talluq nahi, na hi Zardari dacoo se hay

[Anwer_Pasha]

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@Captain1

aap IK ke mamay chachay lagtay hon to apna message usay de den… mera IK se koi talluq nahi, na hi Zardari dacoo se hay

Imran aur Zardari donon aik hain
Imran say Zardari qadray naik hay

[Captain1]

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Imran aur Zardari donon aik hain Imran say Zardari qadray naik hay

I don't care... they may wear each other's chaddi for all I care :p, or help Bilawal with his diapers :p