Re: Is it about time to support indian 'Taliban'?
^ Thank you for the attempt to clear up the allegations on India but what do you base your claim that India is supporting BLA against Pakistan? facts please
^ Thank you for the attempt to clear up the allegations on India but what do you base your claim that India is supporting BLA against Pakistan? facts please
Oh Bhai,
Just read the tumultuous history of 60 years between India and Pak and you will realize that Indian has overtly and covertly supported leftist organizations in Pak and here is the list.
- Pakhtun leftists aka Surakh posh (red-shirts) from the Frontier
- Awami League /Makti bahini leftists from East Pakistan
- Je-ay Sindh leftists from Sindh
- BLA leftists from Balochistan.
In addition to supporting these province level leftist-militants, India has actively and openly supported leftist intellectuals from all over Pakistan and even from Punjab.
That's why I do not have love for India, because these leftist organizations are bad for Pakistan but worse for India. All the development in India from 1990s has been possible because finally Indians were able to get rid of the leftist-socialist yoke. It is time India should quit supporting leftists just like it has quit supporting them at home.
Indians and RAW is also making a mess in Afghanistan by supporting leftist Northern alliance and leftist Pashtuns.
Pakistan is then forced to use religious fundamentalists in Pak, Afghanistan, and even within India.
the result has been bad for India (Mumbai attack, Parliament attack etc) but they have been catastrophic for Pakistan as we can see what Taliban are doing to Pakistan now.
But mark my words, if India doesn't change its ways of stopping the pro-leftist drive in Pak-Afghan, then soon India too will suffer tremendously "in the long run".
The history clearly shows that when Pakistan's barrier is broken, then Afghan hoards start descending on the North West part of India. And within 60-100 years there will be another Nadir Shah doing slaughter of non-Muslims and Muslims right in Chandni chowk.
Re: Is it about time to support indian 'Taliban'?
^ just as I thought. A lot of surmise and prejudice. Thank you
Please... So to trading with India apparently means your against Pakistan? How is the Arab League undermining PAKISTAN by trading with India? Even Pakistan itself has trade with the Indians, even at the worst of times. Gimme a break.
Where the hell do you think India gets the oil to run its economy... Its been trading witht the ARABS for years!
Here is how....
Arabs trade with Indians more than Pakistan. And thus their economy is tied more with a prosperous India than Pakistan.
So in the future if India-Pak go to war or have border disputes, Arabs will side with India to preserve their robust trade.
Similar way that Iran has China and Russia to back it in its current Nuclear dispute with the West.
So before we could rely on cheap oil from Arab states to fuel our tanks and planes for war with India...in the future Arabs will not sell us cheap oil for fear of pissing of India who is their big trading partner...
Pakistan only has two reliable allies. Saudi Arabia and China. Saudi Arabia is already in the sphere of India over Pakistan and notice the neutral statements that Saudis give out over Kashmir.
As for China, due to its rivarly with India it uses Pakistan as a proxy. But sooner or later....Chinese and Indian leaders will figure out how to live in peace.
If Pakistan needs to prosper, it needs to work on constructive forces rather than destructive forces.
It needs to invest in schools and higher education.
It needs to build roads, schools, hospitals in deprived areas.
It needs to start big public work projects to employ millions of unemployed people.
It needs to introduce family planning.
And introduce stringent urban regulation so that 10 people cannot cram into 1 house.
It needs to regulate Madrassah so that jihadi nonsense is no longer taught but math, science and English which prepares students to compete in the 21st century.
Build mass transit to alleviate traffic jams.
Introduce localized media so that Balochis have their own news channel in their local language which can give them proper news intead of mullah's with loud speakers.
It needs to make peace with its neighbours and construct harmonious ties so that the economy can grow with trade.
Instead, Pakistan is focused on weapons of war, jihad, destabilizing Afghanistan and fuding Jihad in Kashmir, and hosting Arab terrorists.
^ just as I thought. A lot of surmise and prejudice. Thank you
Hmmmm.
Where do you see prejudice. Criticizing India for it has done wrong should be OK for an Indian, just like a Pakistani should accept the wrong doings of Pak government.
As for your other point of "surmi-zation", care to show if
- Indians didn't fund Pakhtun leftists aka Surakh posh (red-shirts) from the Frontier
- Indians didn't arm and equip Awami League /Makti bahini leftists from East Pakistan
- Indians didn't give money to Je-ay Sindh leftists from Sindh
Unless off course you don't want to go beyond a typical "Hum Indian hain" propaganda from ana-newspapers.
As I said earlier, both India and Pak should admit their past mistakes and correct their respective behavior because in many cases they are committing the same mistakes over and over.
Re: Is it about time to support indian 'Taliban'?
I have no issues others or myself criticising Indian actions where they need to be.
I do not know about the Pakhtun and Sindh allegations you're making but I think we did support the MuktiBahini to defend against the Pak army atrocities in Bangladesh. But that is not criticism of India - don't you think it was humanitarian in nature necessary to protect the people of East Pakistan? It is actually commendable.
Why do you assume that just because Pakistan followed a strategy of covert insurrectios into India that India will do the same to Pakistan through BLA? Instead of 'they must be doing it" I am just asking you to look for whether they are or are not with an open mind.
Hmmmm.
Where do you see prejudice. Criticizing India for it has done wrong should be OK for an Indian, just like a Pakistani should accept the wrong doings of Pak government.
As for your other point of "surmi-zation", care to show if
- Indians didn't fund Pakhtun leftists aka Surakh posh (red-shirts) from the Frontier
- Indians didn't arm and equip Awami League /Makti bahini leftists from East Pakistan
- Indians didn't give money to Je-ay Sindh leftists from Sindh
Unless off course you don't want to go beyond a typical "Hum Indian hain" propaganda from ana-newspapers.
As I said earlier, both India and Pak should admit their past mistakes and correct their respective behavior because in many cases they are committing the same mistakes over and over.
I think the greatest threat to regional stability is the centralist nature of Pakistani state and the disproportionate power that Punjab enjoyes and makes its elite to act irrationally (Zia's dream to extend Pakistan's influence into Central Asia by conquering Afghanistan through Islamist proxies or his follwers like Hamid Gul's, Javed Nasir's, etc. plans to conquer Kashmir through jehad).
The only hope for Pakistan can be the realization on the part of the elite from Punjab that it has to allow the democratization of Pakistan and come out of its Cold War era world view and limit its regional ambitions. I think the international system can no longer allow the present political order(centered around Punjab's supremacy) in Pakistan to persist.
Re: Is it about time to support indian 'Taliban'?
And we should note that the same re-ordering has happened in Iraq (Sunni supremacy has ended) and Afghanistan (Pashtun domination has gone).
I think the greatest threat to regional stability is the centralist nature of Pakistani state and the disproportionate power that Punjab enjoyes and makes its elite to act irrationally (Zia's dream to extend Pakistan's influence into Central Asia by conquering Afghanistan through Islamist proxies or his follwers like Hamid Gul's, Javed Nasir's, etc. plans to conquer Kashmir through jehad).
The only hope for Pakistan can be the realization on the part of the elite from Punjab that it has to allow the democratization of Pakistan and come out of its Cold War era world view and limit its regional ambitions. I think the international system can no longer allow the present political order(centered around Punjab's supremacy) in Pakistan to persist.
What we need is an electoral system similar to that of USA so that big states like California or Texas do not dictate the politics of USA. This will curtail the power of Punjab and give smaller states like Balochistan a bigger say.
Pakistanis need to have a Pakistani identity. Most people identify themselves as Punjabi, Pathan, Balochi..., that has to end.
Pakistanis need to be united.
Re: Is it about time to support indian 'Taliban'?
we all missing one point here, it may not be RAW but beloved US of A who are experts in playing double games. and attack on GHQ is not just random terror act. it looks to me a part of grand strategy push from someone who playing these cards very systematically in Pakistan
my bets on CIA sponsored terror and destabilising efforts in Pakistan to create scape goat for loosing war in Afghanistan and also teaching lessons by objecting anything that USA is dictating though many channels ---- as TALAT hussain recently said the recent attacks in Pakistan had written all over is one word " COMPLIANCE"
and i couldnt agree more with him!
RAW and ISI reacts to eachother always they will keep on doing this. its CIA and others now distrubing the balance.
......centralist nature of Pakistani state and the disproportionate power that Punjab enjoyes ....
Every country/region has one group/ethnicity/religion that dominates.
And yes, Pakistan is dominated by the educated elite from Mohajir and Punjabi origin. But then our army is dominated by Pashtuns and Punjabis.
Are these groups perfect and just. Probably not.
Are these groups worse than the what is being done by majority groups in the neighboring countries? Absolutely not.
Take the case of Afghanistan- Pashtuns dominate that country. And they have brought that country down to the level of petty beggars. Pashtun-Hazara, Pashtun-Uzbek, and Pashtun-Tajik conflicts are 1000,0000 times worse than any other country in the region.
In Iran, Shia majority has absolutely decimated Sunnis, Arabs, and Balochis. You open a newspaper and there are almost regular news of Balochis being hanged with cranes.
China's Han majority has totally decimated Tibtans and Uighers. You would know things over there if you care to read the news.
Indian majority-Hindus "on regular basis" butcher by the 100s and 1000's, their Christian, Muslim, and Sikh minorities.
So yes, Pakistan is not perfect. But use your intellectual powers a bit more and see that we still fare better or at least the same as our neighboring countries. Even though our country lacks in natural wealth or national history, we still made it out OK so far.
Have faith, and quit harping on ethnic/religious chauvinism. And we'll become even better. We are in the middle of war against religious-fanatics, and you keep on bringing ethnic-fanaticism. This is like out of frying pan and into the fire. Please learn something from the fate of Afghanis. OK?
Can you explain how this attacker of GHQ (Dr. Usaman) was able to get out of Pakistani custody … he was arrested in Marriot blast case …
Daily Times - Leading News Resource of Pakistan
ATC-I completes hearing into Marriott hotel bombing case
RAWALPINDI: Anti Terrorism Court-I (ATC-I) on Monday completed hearing into an acquittal plea filed by Dr Usman allegedly involved in the Marriott hotel bombing case and reserved decision till August 15. Judge Muhammad Akram Awan is trying Dr Usman, a resident of Islamabad; Rana Ilyas, a resident of Faisalabad; Muhammad Hameed Afzal, a resident of Toba Tek Singh; and Tehseenullah Jan, a resident of Hayatabad, Peshawar, for their alleged involvement in the case. Earlier, Usman had filed an acquittal plea with the court under Section 265-K. A suicide bomber had blown up his explosives-laden dumper at the entrance to the Marriott hotel on Sept 20, 2008 killing 54 people, including foreigners, and injuring around 266. staff report
we all missing one point here, it may not be RAW but beloved US of A who are experts in playing double games. and attack on GHQ is not just random terror act. it looks to me a part of grand strategy push from someone who playing these cards very systematically in Pakistan
my bets on CIA sponsored terror and destabilising efforts in Pakistan to create scape goat for loosing war in Afghanistan and also teaching lessons by objecting anything that USA is dictating though many channels ---- as TALAT hussain recently said the recent attacks in Pakistan had written all over is one word " COMPLIANCE"
and i couldnt agree more with him!
RAW and ISI reacts to eachother always they will keep on doing this. its CIA and others now distrubing the balance.
wow CIA managed to convince an ex-Pakistani Soldier to get 10 punjabi goons and attack the GHQ...
wow CIA is just amazing....I wonder how they missed 9/11, WMD in Iraq, Collapse of Soviet Union, Tet Offensive in 1968, Iranian Revolution, etc....
What has this to do with being a good neighbor?
Even Pakistan has something like $1 or 2 billion trade with india, China has even more, but that does not change the fact that india is the worst neighbor in the whole world. Hardly a day passes when one or the other neighbor asks india to behave. Look at today:
Nepal Maoists accuse Indian envoy of spying on China - Rest of World - World - The Times of India
"In a breach of diplomatic norms, Nepal’s former ruling party, the Maoists, Tuesday accused the Indian ambassador to Nepal, Rakesh Sood of spying on China, distorting his visit to a mountainous district bordering Tibet to inaugurate community welfare projects funded by the Indian government. …]
Yeah again some “welfare” programs by india. Why don’t they start from their own country where more than 300 million are living under poverty line?
And now one more:
“BEIJING: The Chinese foreign ministry decided it was time to juggle with words to convey a stern warning to New Delhi after Indian foreign minister S M Krishna chose to respond to a statement made by it earlier.”
…
*"Is Beijing warming up to make an even louder protest against New Delhi’s likely move to permit the Dalai Lama to visit Arunachal Pradesh and possibly Tawang? *
Informed sources said a Tawang visit will make the Dalai Lama even more popular among the Tibetans in China and cause additional headaches to Communist Party leaders in Lhasa. "
The fact is:
india is THE WORST neighbor in the world. All neighbors of india should join hands to start “welfare” projects near indian border!!
This is not the india Mohandas Karamchand always tried to portray to the world.
What has this to do with being a good neighbor?
Even Pakistan has something like $1 or 2 billion trade with india, China has even more, but that does not change the fact that india is the worst neighbor in the whole world. Hardly a day passes when one or the other neighbor asks india to behave. Look at today:.
To you it will not mean anything .... to Arab league .... India is a good partner. Perhaps that is the reason that it has an observer status in Arab League even though it not an Arab nation neither is it an Islmaic country. Pity they haven't given the same status to you know who :D
List of india's neighbours:
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Burma
China
Maldieves
Nepal
Pakistan
Sri Lanka
Now how many of these are fed up with indian cross-border terrorism or other meddlings in their internal affairs?
Anyone?
List of india's neighbours:
Bangladesh Bhutan Burma China Maldieves Nepal Pakistan Sri Lanka
Now how many of these are fed up with indian cross-border terrorism or other meddlings in their internal affairs?
Anyone?
So apart from Pakistan which country is fed up with India .... dont go around posting staements of poltical parties and sundry elements .... post staments by head of state ... like i posted for Sri Lanka ... incidently while you were sleeping ... India and Sri Lanka has just conducted joint naval excercises .... you normally don't do that with a country that you accuse of cross-border terrorism
State of denial indians are in, is too too deep… 
Every country/region has one group/ethnicity/religion that dominates.
And yes, Pakistan is dominated by the educated elite from Mohajir and Punjabi origin. But then our army is dominated by Pashtuns and Punjabis.
Are these groups perfect and just. Probably not.
Are these groups worse than the what is being done by majority groups in the neighboring countries? Absolutely not.
Take the case of Afghanistan- Pashtuns dominate that country. And they have brought that country down to the level of petty beggars. Pashtun-Hazara, Pashtun-Uzbek, and Pashtun-Tajik conflicts are 1000,0000 times worse than any other country in the region.
In Iran, Shia majority has absolutely decimated Sunnis, Arabs, and Balochis. You open a newspaper and there are almost regular news of Balochis being hanged with cranes.
China's Han majority has totally decimated Tibtans and Uighers. You would know things over there if you care to read the news.
I*ndian majority-Hindus "on regular basis" butcher by the 100s and 1000's, their Christian, Muslim, and Sikh minorities. *
So yes, Pakistan is not perfect. But use your intellectual powers a bit more and see that we still fare better or at least the same as our neighboring countries. Even though our country lacks in natural wealth or national history, we still made it out OK so far.
Have faith, and quit harping on ethnic/religious chauvinism. And we'll become even better. We are in the middle of war against religious-fanatics, and you keep on bringing ethnic-fanaticism. This is like out of frying pan and into the fire. Please learn something from the fate of Afghanis. OK?
Wow I cant imagine you wrote all this. Fiction at its best.
If Indians were regularly doing it then I wonder why Muslim and Christian population are still growing in India. I wonder why kashmir is still a muslim majority area even with a large army presence.
Re: Is it about time to support indian ‘Taliban’?
Maoist freedom fighters at work again:
Maoists blow up Jharkhand school, torch Bihar rail office - India - The Times of India
*"PATNA: Carrying out fresh attacks, Maoists set ablaze a rail office at Banshipur station in Lakhisarai district after taking eight officials *
hostages and blew up a block office in neighbouring Munger on the second and final day of their two-day shutdown in Bihar."
In order to stop their grievances, neighbours should sit together and start some “welfare” projects for these freedom fighters.