Is Islam tought to us from a mans perspective?

[MissTY]

@Yea_Boii

of course it is, religion is nothing but a tool to control people (women particularly).

Islam, just like any other religion, is just a fairly tale.

Well said.

I don’t know if anyone noticed but all the prophets/messengers sent by Allah were males too. I wonder why..

[GlacierIce]

If you read Quran outside the cultural bias you grew up in, it makes total sense, a lot of people read it with a ‘cultural lens’, they try to justify their socially acquired bias and habits with it, they try to validate their own self-created, media influenced ideologies while forgetting that Quran basically calls on obeying God. There are reminders in it, fascinating accounts of previous prophets on what happened to nations that were disbelieving. This is a personal POV but I think it is a message which is basically reminding that the life of this world is an illusion so don’t be deluded by it.

If anyone is interested they should look up Quran 57:20 & read Surah Al-Kahf, it pretty much says what I am actually trying to say.

“From a man’s perspective” is just another cultural lens, you already have an idea in your head and you trying to validate it using religion when it should be the other way around.

[diwana]

@Yea_Boii

of course it is, religion is nothing but a tool to control people (women particularly).

Islam, just like any other religion, is just a fairly tale.

Are you being paranoid?

Who is controlling?

How many times you got up and check if there was any secret camera above your head and the ‘government’ was watching you today?

Sorry I am using your own analogy here and the word “control people”

[sweefs]

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@TLK:

[TLK]

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[sweefs]

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@TLK:

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[TLK]

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DOnt worry, I have to come up with a polciy for that and then you will get warnings for this

[Yea_Boii]

@diwana

Are you being paranoid?

Who is controlling?

How many times you got up and check if there was any secret camera above your head and the ‘government’ was watching you today?

Sorry I am using your own analogy here and the word “control people”

lol, this is going to be too easy..

Well lets see:

1. A woman’s witness is not equal to a man
2. A woman isnt entitiled to as much a man incase of a will
3. A woman is supposed to be wear this lil ninja suit..

Hey i would love religion (esp islam) if it lets me control my wife…I’m all for that..Its just that i think women get the short end of the stick in islam.

[PinkOrchids]

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3. A woman is supposed to be wear this lil ninja suit..

why did i find that hysterical?

Ok - Islam.

Islam is a religion that is fair. I would personally say. From what I have read and been taught.

however CULTURE always seeps into religion. And dilutes it.

As far as - women and men and who is superior.

Lets face it guys and girls. God (Allah) created men to be superior in strength. And women in mind.

Enough said!

ha ha ha.

But no seriously. Women are individuals that need be protected. And that is what men are there for to protect and financially support - be it a father, brother, husband, uncle, etc.

Women have been given a plethora of rights - way before women in this country even knew what the vote was - we in Islam were given this right set out from the start. We are given shares in wealth, land and there are numerous instances where women are meant to be respected and cared for.

Whether they are or not. (Mostly not) as for Prophets mostly being Men. These prophets PBUT (them) had a very hard time. The people in those times where even more ignorant, rude and intolerant then today (esp if you read the hardship some of the prophets had to go through) could you imagine if these prophets were women? No one would take them seriously. Especially as no one takes women seriously - this continues to happen even now! we have a come a long long way to be heard. And Islam has helped.

As for the ninja suit. Lets face it women are in the current (and probably back then) treated as objects of desire. The women form is attractive - we do not have spend hours in a gym and eating steriods to look beautiful.

Our figures (if on correct diets I am not talking Mcdees everyday people) have been made gracefully by Allah.

And therefore the ninja suit - keeps prying perverted eyes away from you.

Alas these eyes should have shame themselves. And the Ninja suit is not a set requirement. We are required to cover our head & be Modest in our approach to clothes.

To be honest the last also applies to men. Who wants to see sticking out big bellies anyway?

[PinkOrchids]

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Sorry for the typos! fast typer

[nadz123]

@Yea_Boii

lol, this is going to be too easy..

Well lets see:

1. A woman’s witness is not equal to a man
2. A woman isnt entitiled to as much a man incase of a will
3. A woman is supposed to be wear this lil ninja suit..

Hey i would love religion (esp islam) if it lets me control my wife…I’m all for that..Its just that i think women get the short end of the stick in islam.

I suggest you read into the quran and hadees with translation of course, for your answers.not sure about 1, but 2 and 3 i think ive heard:

its a mans duty to look after his family, he needs to equally distribute to either kids and even his brothers family etc etc, a woman doesnt need as much as its not her duty..sorry im alsO just learning, i also had lots of questions as you do, i think women are not mistreated, how can you be, its a mans DUTY to provide financially, its a lot harder to earn money than it is to wear a ninja suit…

when people say ninja..i assume you mean head to toe, face covered, the face veil is debatble, people mostly agree on just the head covering being mandatory, not just islam, jews are also required as are christians…nuns also cover their heads…no one questions them hey…

[GlacierIce]

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^ There are reasons why there is an apparent unequal distribution of wealth just like you stated, but people won’t bother finding out, they will assume put it down and move on. Very few people actually bother reading the Quran, they claim they do but they really don’t. There is no inequality of women, it just people and their actions.

[lafuriaroja]

[size=1]i’ve believed in islam and practised islam all my life. but the older i grow and the more i learn, i can’t help thinking that this is a man’s world and even god meant it to be that way. to me it looks like women have many rights in islam but they are not equivalent to men. theres a long list of issues which make me really uncomfortable about islam actually, but some of them are:

1. if a couple get divorced, the women is entitled to pretty much nothing from the man other than the mahr. so a worst case scenario would be that a wife has pretty much no skills other than being a housewife, dedicates her life to her husband and kids and then for watever reason 15 yrs down the road the husband divorces her. so she’s left with nothing. i know islamically maybe her brother or father or uncle etc. should support her, but the case could be she has no one or in a realistic world not all relatives behave towards you as they should.

2. the concept of female sex slaves for men- this concept kind of just negates the whole point of marriage or intimacy between a couple. I don’t understand the fairness of men being allowed to sleep with whoever they want as long as they take financial responsibilty for them and treat them well.

i’d love to hear peoples comments and insights into this as I myself don’t know much and would like to learn more about what exactly islam has to say about such issues.
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[ria1328]

@SanaMK

[size=1]i’ve believed in islam and practised islam all my life. but the older i grow and the more i learn, i can’t help thinking that this is a man’s world and even god meant it to be that way. to me it looks like women have many rights in islam but they are not equivalent to men. theres a long list of issues which make me really uncomfortable about islam actually, but some of them are:

1. if a couple get divorced, the women is entitled to pretty much nothing from the man other than the mahr. so a worst case scenario would be that a wife has pretty much no skills other than being a housewife, dedicates her life to her husband and kids and then for watever reason 15 yrs down the road the husband divorces her. so she’s left with nothing. i know islamically maybe her brother or father or uncle etc. should support her, but the case could be she has no one or in a realistic world not all relatives behave towards you as they should.

2. the concept of female sex slaves for men- this concept kind of just negates the whole point of marriage or intimacy between a couple. I don’t understand the fairness of men being allowed to sleep with whoever they want as long as they take financial responsibilty for them and treat them well.

i’d love to hear peoples comments and insights into this as I myself don’t know much and would like to learn more about what exactly islam has to say about such issues.
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blinks Well…For number 2, sex is haram in any shape or form before the nikah nama is signed. I don’t kow where you came up with the idea of sex slaves but…not allowed. It existed way before Islam came into the picture. The idea of sex slaves was something that came from the kafrs. It also falls under rape since it in non-consensual.

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Taken from islam-qa.com.

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Here’s the full link.
Punishment for Rape in Islam - Islam Question & Answer](Punishment for Rape in Islam - Islam Question & Answer)

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Even I will admit that you are very wrong in this way of thinking. The first point does not come from Islam, but from the messed up ways of thinking of various cultures that distort anything and everything to suit their own needs. If you read through hadith and the qu’uran, and go to the islam-qa site(favorite site btw) a lot of stuff will be explained to you. The scholars there(the site) are very knowledgeable and fair.

[MissTY]

Re: Is Islam tought to us from a mans perspective?

^Islam does ALLOW sleeping with female slaves and women captured during war. One of prophet’s wives maria bin qubtia or something like that was also captured during war. It’s perfeclty legal for a man to have sex WITHOUT a nikkah to his slave woman. Now I am sure there is some hikmah (wisdom) behind allowing such thing, but it’s pretty wrong in my opinion.

[ria1328]

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Found it.

Could you please clarify for me something that has been troubling me for a while. This concerns the right of a man to have sexual relations with slave girls. Is this so? If it is then is the man allowed to have relations with her as well his wife/wives. Also, is it true that a man can have sexual relations with any number of slave girls and with their own wife/wives also? I have read that Hazrat Ali had 17 slave girls and Hazrat Umar also had many. Surely if a man were allowed this freedom then this could lead to neglecting the wife’s needs. Could you also tell clarify wether the wife has got any say in this matter.

Praise be to Allaah.
Islam allows a man to have intercourse with his slave woman, whether he has a wife or wives or he is not married.
A slave woman with whom a man has intercourse is known as a sariyyah (concubine) from the word sirr, which means marriage.
This is indicated by the Qur’aan and Sunnah, and this was done by the Prophets. Ibraaheem (peace be upon him) took Haajar as a concubine and she bore him Ismaa’eel (may peace be upon them all).
Our Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also did that, as did the Sahaabah, the righteous and the scholars. The scholars are unanimously agreed on that and it is not permissible for anyone to regard it as haraam or to forbid it. Whoever regards that as haraam is a sinner who is going against the consensus of the scholars.
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphan girls then marry (other) women of your choice, two or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one or (slaves) that your right hands possess. That is nearer to prevent you from doing injustice”
[al-Nisa’ 4:3]
What is meant by “or (slaves) that your right hands possess” is slave women whom you own. And Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you, and the daughters of your ‘Amm (paternal uncles) and the daughters of your ‘Ammaat (paternal aunts) and the daughters of your Khaal (maternal uncles) and the daughters of your Khaalaat (maternal aunts) who migrated (from Makkah) with you, and a believing woman if she offers herself to the Prophet, and the Prophet wishes to marry her a privilege for you only, not for the (rest of) the believers. Indeed We know what We have enjoined upon them about their wives and those (slaves) whom their right hands possess, in order that there should be no difficulty on you. And Allaah is Ever Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful”
[al-Ahzaab 33:50]
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.
But whosoever seeks beyond that, then it is those who are trespassers”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-31]
Al-Tabari said:
Allaah says, “And those who guard their chastity” i.e., protect their private parts from doing everything that Allaah has forbidden, but they are not to blame if they do not guard their chastity from their wives or from the female slaves whom their rights hands possess.
Tafseer al-Tabari, 29/84
Ibn Katheer said:
Taking a concubine as well as a wife is permissible according to the law of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him). Ibraaheem did that with Haajar, when he took her as a concubine when he was married to Saarah.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/383
And Ibn Katheer also said:
The phrase “and those (slaves) whom your right hand possesses — whom Allaah has given to you” [al-Ahzaab 33:50] means, it is permissible for you take concubines from among those whom you seized as war booty. He took possession of Safiyyah and Juwayriyah and he freed them and married them; he took possession of Rayhaanah bint Sham’oon al-Nadariyyah and Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah, the mother of his son Ibraaheem (peace be upon them both), and they were among his concubines, may Allaah be pleased with them both.
Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 3/500
The scholars are unanimously agreed that it is permissible.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
There is no dispute (among the scholars) that it is permissible to take concubines and to have intercourse with one’s slave woman, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]
Maariyah al-Qibtiyyah was the umm walad (a slave woman who bore her master a child) of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and she was the mother of Ibraaheem, the son of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), of whom he said, “Her son set her free.” Haajar, the mother of Isma’eel (peace be upon him), was the concubine of Ibraaheem the close friend (khaleel) of the Most Merciful (peace be upon him). ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) had a number of slave women who bore him children, to each of whom he left four hundred in his will. ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) had slave women who bore him children, as did many of the Sahaabah. ‘Ali ibn al-Husayn, al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad and Saalim ibn ‘Abd-Allaah were all born from slave mothers
Al-Mughni, 10/441
Al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts from illegal sexual acts).
Except from their wives or the (women slaves) whom their right hands possess for (then) they are not blameworthy.”
[al-Ma’aarij 70:29-30]
The Book of Allaah indicates that the sexual relationships that are permitted are only of two types, either marriage or those (women slaves) whom one’s right hand possesses.
Al-Umm, 5/43.
The wife has no right to object to her husband owning female slaves or to his having intercourse with them.
And Allaah knows best.

[NaMaan]

Re: Is Islam tought to us from a mans perspective?

Islam or not , its a man dominated world . Its slowly changing , but it will take a whole lot more time and education . Changes are visible as we can see all around us . Example being we have more female mods than male mods on GS (surprise surprise its still working)