Re: Is Hinduism a followable religion in the modern world?
So what…many portions of his findings are true. We must be thankful to him that he worries for India.
Can we wash out the cast problem in a day or two?
Are dalits above the cast system? They have more casts among themselves than the uppers casts.
But for some uncertain reasons Reza does not want to tell me what is India’s National Crime Records Bureau?
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Even the ‘progressive’ state of Andhra Pradseh has a growing (not decreasing) problem of persecution of the Dalits, according to the National Crime Records Bureau in India.
**Crime against dalits on rise in State **
Koteswara Rao of Prakasam district was killed on April 29, 2002, over a petty dispute. Dasari Sivaiah of the same district was killed on December 16 the following year for filing a case against some landlords. Both were dalits. Even refusal by a dalit to work could lead to his death, the homicide of T. Sankaraiah of Nellore district on February 17, this year indicates so. Painstaking efforts of the Dalith Bahujan Shramik Union has brought to light several such instances. On May 9 last year, R. Rajasekhar of Rangareddy district was playing cricket when the ball went inside a landlord’s house. The dalit boy later committed suicide. Activists of the union alleged that humiliation was heaped on Rajasekhar for playing cricket. Annavarapu Sridevi breathed her last in Maddipadu police lock-up in the same district sometime ago because she warmed up to an upper caste man.
TDP action
The Telugu Desam Government’s answer to the Punnaiah Commission’s report, which suggested several preventive mechanisms after a careful study of the atrocities, was the release of 20 GOs. In murder cases, criminals must be booked under IPC Sections 302, 306 and 307 and also under SC and ST (Prevention of Atrocities) Act, which rarely happens. Police prefer cases under Section 126. Moreover, while the Act stipulates that inquiry must be conducted by a deputy superintendent of police, it is usually the local sub-inspector who does the job. Atrocities are only mounting every year with law enforcers turning a blind eye to the crime in many of the cases. In 1999-2000, 226 cases were reported and the following year they went up to 452 followed by 474 in 2001-02 and 286 in 2002-03. This year by April 216 cases were reported. Till July end, 82 more cases were reported.
Rights forum study
**Saakshi Human Rights Forum, which is fighting for dalit rights, has conducted an interesting study. In all, 22 per cent of the atrocities were committed for asserting their right over land or water, 15.2 per cent for participating in cultural events like `jataras’, 10.2 per cent for seeking legal recourse against injustice and 7.2 per cent for choosing a particular occupation. The self-dignity of a dalit is an unbearable factor for upper castes in many villages, which is proved by the fact that 20.8 per cent of the cases came under this category. **
Deprived of justice
Deprivation of justice begins at the police station itself as registration of FIR is done only in 43.6 per cent of cases whereas 27.6 per cent of crimes go unregistered and 17.8 per cent attract wrong provisions. The stipulation that charge-sheet must be filed within 30 or 90 days is rarely honoured as is proved by its compliance in a paltry 4.9 per cent of cases. The State stands fourth in crime against dalits going by the National Crime Records Bureau. The question that dalit organisations pose is, “will the Congress Government be any different from its predecessor?”
Re: Is Hinduism a followable religion in the modern world?
I asked you a question directly related to what you are asking of Hindus. It is a very accurate parallel. Why won’t you answer my question?
lol, you have some very disturbing reading comprehension problems…so many simple things i repeat word-for-word multiple times and you still can’t grasp…i said the mindset will take time to expunge, not the texts - those have already been out of use for centuries.
i said the proper Hindu caste system is fine by me…i didn’t praise anything, i am indifferent to it. I certainly won’t condemn it. The corrupted version of the “Hindu caste system” that you so frequently orgasm over is clearly a different story, and i categorically condemn what it has evolved into.
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Read the following carefully.
*Citing several references from the religious scriptures, chairman of the Commission Suraj Bhan said all these references were ‘promoting untouchability’ and negating the Constitution which ensures equality and social justice to every citizen of the country. *
and especially this part:-
Suggesting that scriptures containing derogatory remarks about Dalits should come out with new editions deleting such remarks
So they are still very much in your religious scriptures, despite your denials, and hence the call of the commission to expunge them.
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lol, what is the name of these scriptures?
Reza, why do you continue to dodge my question? it is exactly relevant to what you are discussing right now…expunging disgusting passages from scriptures.
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Is Suraj Bhan not a Hindu, and does he not know what he is talking about? Unlike you he is not in denial about his religion, nor does he want to downplay the facts about persecution of low castes, based on Hindu scriptures like you do.
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Reza, why do you continue to dodge my question? it is exactly relevant to what you are discussing right now…expunging disgusting passages from scriptures.
are you willing to come forward and say that passages from the Quran prescribing physical violence against an uncooperative wife should be totally and unequivocally stricken from the book?
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As I asked is Suraj Bhan not a Hindu, and does he not know what he is talking about? Or are you denying his right to be a Hindu and talking on his religion's behalf? Why is it so hard for you to answer this simple question?
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Reza...can you tell me what do you want to prove?
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i have no idea who Suraj Bhan is, and i have no idea if he is a Hindu. he should cite his sources next time if he has something to say.
now, what is this the 10th time i’m asking you to answer a simple question? the fact that you continue to dodge this question is very telling.
let’s try again…
are you willing to come forward and say that passages from the Quran prescribing physical violence against an uncooperative wife should be totally and unequivocally stricken from the book?
not just wife-beating…but also others regarding legitimacy of forced sex upon slaves, legitimacy of paedophilia, etc. etc.
Do you support the expunging of these sections?
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So you are denying his right to be called a Hindu, just because he wants the removal of anti-Dalit teachings from Hindu scriptures? If you had cared to read the very first post in this thread, you would have noted he is the chairman of National Commission for Scheduled Castes. But if you dodged that fact, then you will carry on dodging other questions.
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no…more madrassah reading skills at work. i said i have no idea what his religious beliefs are. how could you have read that comment as a “denial of his right to be called a Hindu”?
his occupation tells nothing of his religious beliefs. are you really this stupid? more importantly, i don’t care what his religious beliefs are and i never contended them. i simply said he needs to provide a source.
now…i guess this is attempt #11
**let’s try again…
are you willing to come forward and say that passages from the Quran prescribing physical violence against an uncooperative wife should be totally and unequivocally stricken from the book?
not just wife-beating…but also others regarding legitimacy of forced sex upon slaves, legitimacy of paedophilia, etc. etc.
Do you support the expunging of these sections?**
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You doubt him talking about the Hindu Religion, yet you yourself have not brought forward one source to prove anything of what you have said, despite me asking man, many times previously, but you kept dodging. This is a thread about the Hindu Caste system, and I will continue to ask about this, even if you don’t want to answer them. I would rather believe the words of a person like Suraj Bhan, who us prepared to expose his religion’s shortcomings, and face the realities, than some angry Hindu (s) who just want to deny and dodge.
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you are talking about expunging some passages from whoever this Suraj Bhanu’s mysterious scripture. i am simply asking for the scripture’s name.
in direct response to your demands of support for expunging, i ask you the exact same question relevant to your religion. Why is it so hard to answer? if you are afraid of being called a kafir by answering the no-brainer of “yes”, then don’t worry…shias are already considered kafirs by all other muslim scholars.
so let’s try again…
are you willing to come forward and say that passages from the Quran prescribing physical violence against an uncooperative wife should be totally and unequivocally stricken from the book?
not just wife-beating…but also others regarding legitimacy of forced sex upon slaves, legitimacy of paedophilia, etc. etc.
Do you support the expunging of these sections?
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Righteousness of the Faith…
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**Addressing a press conference on Tuesday, Bhan said that references like dhol ganwar shudra pashu nari, sakal tadan ke adhikari (drum, illiterate, Dalit, animal, women, all are fit only to be beaten) in Ramcharitmanas should not be allowed in print in a society with a Constitution giving equal rights to all. **
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Ramchritmanas was written by tulsidas, in the 17th century. Probably the influence of the ruling muslims scriptures dirtied the beautiful story of Ramayana… it is not a hindu scripture NEXT!! 
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Repeating.....Reza...can you tell me what do you want to prove?
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More Hindu’s speak out and acknowledge the failings of their religion, especially the evils of the caste system, and how their scriptures just inequality amongst humans. Some Hindu’s are speaking out, and they must be applauded, but it seems the majority are stuck in denial, and just want to maintain the status quo of thousand of years.
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.Reza...can you tell me what do you want to prove? Repeting thrice...