Is Camel's Urine a Medicine According To Hadith?

Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all

Andhra dear, you seem ignorant of what is happening in India so let me give you some details first on your above assertion.

Ibrahim says: that is folly based on your lack of knowledge , you see Andhra it was pagans (hindus) who believed in urine as such any medication given to them with a combination of urine or the 5 cow products was most acceptable to them.

Ibrahim says: Yes and that hadith reveals what I just mentioned above and even after being cured of the ailment these pagans [hindus] committed murder and stole the camels as such they had to be killed not only for the ingratitude and theft but most of all for murder .

Now what one must bear in mind here is that ** the hadith does not tell us as to what the camels were being fed on and what was the disease that this milk and herb combination after being filtered through the camel ( urine) cured as such it was NEVER practiced by the Arabs on the basis of this hadith. In fact in Islam urine from any source is HARAM **

Ibrahim says : I am not a scholar but a researcher , cleaner and refuse destroyer on the net , hence I have no boundary markers and will deal with all scriptures in a scientific manner .

So let me burst the bubble of all those who may have misconception with this regards by posting what I wrote some time back

** Urine for Dummies! ** I mean it! It is only for dummies.

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: Urine Therapy

: Auto Urine Therapy

: Virtues of Cow Urine

: Ayurveda and Urine

: Bovine Elexir

Ibrahim says: Greetings of Peace to one and all

Human Urine is 95% of water, 2.5% consists of urea and the remaining 2.5% is a mixture of minerals, salt, hormones and enzymes depending on the intake and wastage that the body does not require Animal urine depending on the kind of diet intake will have varying strengths of water, minerals, salts, hormones and enzymes too.

Some Urine Constituents

(g/24 hours) ( again depends on the diet of the individual)

Urea 25-30
Uric acid 0.6-0.7
Creatinine 1.0-1.2
Hippuric 0.7
acid
Ammonia 0.7
Amino acids 3
Sodium 1-5 (NaCl 15.0)
Potassium 2-4
Calcium 0.2-0.3
Magnesium 0.1
Chloride 7
Phosphate 1.7-2.5
Sulfate 1.8-2.5

Hence it had medicinal ingredients and this could have been “revealed information” to the Prophets , when we did not have the technology to analyze its contents and properties .

** Yet No Prophet would have recommended that mankind consume Human or Animal Urine, since Urine is “filth” .**

Let us try to go back in time to understand why an animal’s digestive system could have been used like a ** “filtration Plant”** . Meaning ** If we feed a cow with a certain herb its urine and dung is going to contain some ingredients that particular herb may have, devoid of other ingredients that the body of the cow may absorb into its system.**

This applies to our system too, which is why most drug tests are done by urine analysis . ** Hence a few thousand years ago when man did not have the facilities or equipments for removing sugars or to specifically obtain certain chemicals, the animals must have been utilized to obtain certain medicines. ** ( Pure calculated conjecture on my part since we cannot know this for sure) .

Yet when it comes to understanding why the Hindus and Zoroastrians ended up drinking cow urine, this could be the only explanation for it. But what they failed to understand is that, ** this could have been only possible when the animal has been fed with a particular herb for a period of time, such that its waste may have certain strengths of that particular herb.** In other words the animal was used like a processing plant, which is what we do for manufacturing drugs in our current environment.

BUT ** ANYONE WHO RESORTS TO DRINKING URINE IN OUR CURRENT TIME FRAME NEED TO HAVE THEIR HEADS CHECKED .** For we have developed sufficiently to process the chemicals from the plants even remove the urea from the urine.

** But Hindus and Zoroastrians drink cow Urine all the time and Hindus even go to the extent of drinking human urine as a therapy. **
The under mentioned sites may gives us more info with this regards.
http://www.aznewage.com/urine.htm
http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/yod/april/urine.htm

http://india30.tripod.com/cows.htm

http://india30.tripod.com/ayur_ved.html

In Hinduism , Human Urine is known as Amaroli and the following excerpt from a swami tells us more. According to Swami Satyananda Saraswati , he states in ‘Amaroli - The Way of the Yogi’, (Amaroli is the practice of ingesting ones own urine):
In the preface to the book Amaroli , he writes:-

"I {Swami Satyananda Saraswati) am fully acquainted with the topic of amaroli and have had personal experience with its use. Of course, I did not use it for therapy but in order to perfect vajroli kriya, and I am convinced that those who want to perfect vajroli will have to go through the process of amaroli.

Since 1943, right up to 1978 (date of publication of the book Amaroli), I have never seen bad results from the use of amaroli, either in therapy or for vajroli.

According to Martha Christy

(Martha Christy is a nutritional and natural health-care consultant, medical research writer and editor, and author of the international bestseller, Learn to Control Stress with the Stress Test. Her other books include Reconstructing The Real You, Even Good Foods Can Be Bad For You (Personalizing Your Nutrition), Balancing Your Body’s pH, Simple Diagnostic Tests You Can Do At Home, and Homeopathy and Your Own Perfect Medicine)

Urea, the principal organic solid in urine, has long been considered to be a ‘waste product’ of the body. It’s even been considered to be dangerous or poisonous, but this, too, is completely untrue.

Like any other substance in the body, too much urea can be harmful, but urea in and of itself is enormously valuable and indispensable to body functioning. Not only does urea provide invaluable nitrogen to the body, but research has shown that urea actually aids in the synthesis of protein, or, in other words, it helps our bodies use protein more efficiently. Urea has also been proven to be an extraordinary antibacterial and antiviral agent and is one of the best natural diuretics ever discovered.

Urea was discovered and isolated as long ago as 1773 and is currently marketed in a variety of different drug forms.

These are a few more examples of commercial medical applications of urine and urea in use today:
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· Ureaphil: diuretic made from urea
· Urofollitropin: urine-extract fertility drug
· Ureacin: urea cream for skin problems
· Amino-Cerv: urea cream used for cervical treatments
· Premarin: urine-extract oestrogen supplement
· Panafil: urea/papain ointment for skin ulcers, burns and infected wounds
Another urine-related product ingredient is carbamide. Carbamide is the chemical name for synthesised urea. Where do you find carbamide? In places you’d never thought of, such as in products like Murine Ear Drops and Murine Ear Wax Removal System which contain carbamide peroxide, a combination of synthetic urea and hydrogen peroxide.**

Medical researchers have also proven that urea is one of the best and only medically proven, effective skin moisturisers in the world. In many years of laboratory studies, researchers discovered that, unlike just about all other types of oil-based moisturisers that simply sit on the top layers of the skin and do nothing to improve water retention within skin cells (which gives skin its elasticity and wrinkle-free appearance), urea actually increases the water-binding capacity of the skin by opening skin layers for hydrogen bonding, which then attracts moisture to dry skin cells.

This is a remarkable fact considering that women spend billions of dollars a year on outrageously expensive skin moisturisers whose ingredients, even in tightly controlled double-blind comparison tests, don’t even come close to hydrating dry skin as well as simple, inexpensive urea.

So, as surprising as it seems, urine and urea do have an amazing, voluminous history in both traditional and modern medicine.
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Read This!

"Utica, Michigan - Realizing it is flushing potential profits down the drain, an enterprising young company has come up with a way to trap medically powerful proteins from urine. ** Enzymes of America has designed a special filter that collects important urine proteins, and these filters have been installed in all of the men’s urinals in the 10,000 portable outhouses owned by the Porta-John company, a subsidiary of Enzymes of America.**

"Urine is known to contain minute amounts of proteins made by the body, including medically important ones such as growth hormone and insulin. ** There is a $500-million-a-year market for these kinds of urine ingredients.**

"This summer, Enzymes of America plans to market its first major urine product called ** urokinase, an enzyme that dissolves blood clots and is used to treat victims of heart attacks. ** The company has contracts to supply the urine enzyme to Sandoz, Merrell Dow and other major pharmaceutical companies. Ironically, this enterprise evolved from Porta-John’s attempt to get rid of urine proteins-a major source of odour in portable toilets.

"When the president of Porta-John began consulting with scientists about a urine filtration system, one told him he was sitting on a gold mine.

"The idea of recycling urine is not new, however. ‘We thought about this,’ says 26 Whitcome of Amgen, a Los Angeles biotechnology firm, ‘but realised we’d need thousands and thousands of litres of urine.’

“Porta-John and Enzymes of America solved that problem. The 14 million gallons flowing annually into Porta-John’s privies contain about four-and-a-half pounds of urokinase alone. That’s enough to unclog 260,000 coronary arteries.”

(“Now Urine Business”, Hippocrates magazine, May/June 1988)

But urokinase isn’t the only drug derived from urine that, unknown to us, has been a financial boon to the pharmaceutical industry.

In August of 1993, Forbes magazine printed an article about Fabio Bertarelli who owns the world’s largest fertility drug-producing company, the Ares-Serono Group, based in Geneva, whose most important product is the drug ** Pergonal which increases the chances of conception. Guess what Pergonal is made from?

“To make Pergonal, Ares-Serono collects urine samples from 110,000 postmenopausal women volunteers in Italy, Spain, Brazil and Argentina.** From 26 collection centres, the urine is sent to Rome where Ares-Serono technicians then isolate the ovulation-enhancing hormone.”

(N. Munk, “The Child is the Father of the Man”, Forbes Magazine, 16 August 1993)

Ibrahim says; Guess what your aryu vedic medicines are made of?

Ayurvedic Medicine

Ayurvedic Medicine is, in the eyes of the common Aryan, a sacred practice and often attracts more credit than practitioners of allopathy.

  1. DUNG + URINE OF ANIMALS

Ayurvedic medicine commonly uses the urine and dung of animals as ingredients! Cow’s urine is most generally used and considered a most potent medicine, in keeping with Aryan customs and scriptures considering the cow sacred. Elephant urine, goat dung, and bird droppings are some of the other favorite fecal ingredients of the much-taunted ayurvedic medicine.

  1. DUNG + URINE OF ANIMALS

1.1 Cow’s Urine

Cow’s urine “gomutra” is prescribed as an ingredient of various plasters and mixtures (sometimes with fermented wine) or alone, as an antidote for obesity, as a purgative; for eliminating vermin from an ulcer; vayu disorders, abdominal dropsy and many other uses. Su. 15.35; 44.35 ] Ci 1.87; 14.13 ] Ray 131 ] Bitumen and cow’s urine is taken internally to cure malignant jaundice. Utt. 44.29 ] Ray 234 ]. Antimony sulfide and cow’s urine taken internally is also used to cure malignant jaundice. Utt. 44.29 ] Ray 234 ]. For the case of sebaceous cysts (large swellings that exude a fatty liquid on bursting), incision followed by washing with cow’s urine is prescribed. Another treatment is the surgical incision and the removal of fat followed by cauterization of the wound Ci.18.10-11 ] Ray 295 ].

1.2 Goat Dung and Urine

Goat droppings “ajashakrt” are prescribed as an accessory to surgical cauterization and is used for cauterizing diseased skin. In powdered form after drying and compounding with honey and cow’s urine it is used as a linctus for jaundice. Su 12.3 ] Utt.44.19 ] [Ray 130 ] Goat urine “ajamutra” is an ingredient for a paste that restores the natural colour to a cicatrix. Ci.I.86 ] Ray 130 ]

1.3 Elephant Urine

Elephant urine “gajamutra” is used as an alkaline decoction preparation for a supposed cure to malignant sores. Ci.9.16 ] Ray 131 ]

1.4 Cock Dung and other Birds’ Droppings

The dung of a specially fed
cock “kukkutapurisha” is prescribed as an ingredient for a plaster used to cure malignant skin diseases Ci.9.15 ] Ray 132 ] Vulture droppings “grdhrapurisha” is an ingredient of a plaster fro bursting of non-boils Su.37.9 ] Ray 132 ]. A similar use exists for pigeon droppings “karikapurisha” and heron droppings “kapotapurisha” Su.37.9 ] Ray 132 ]. The hooves of animals are powdered and after burning restore the darkness to a cicatrix; a paste of the powder obtained by burning is a cure for baldness Ray 132 ] Animal horns are used as surgical instruments and the paste is aid to be a cure for baldness. Ray 133 Ray 110 ff ] meat of various kinds is good The urine of different animals is recommended for use as purifying and appetizing agents; for cardiac stimulants and many others. Each type of urine has special advantages Su.45.201-212 ] Ray 36 ].

Ibrahim says ; ** Hence what Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) prescribed for the cure of a certain sickness was indeed based on divine knowledge that had been conveyed to him, since he was an illiterate and would have little knowledge about what medicinal values herbs and URINE may possess to cure that particular sickness. **

Devoted to Truth
Ibrahim

** Knowledge is power when acted upon**

I posted this hadith on another board and this is what i got:

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Assalammu Alaikum

he climate of Medina did not suit some people, so the Prophet ordered them to follow his shepherd, i.e. his camels, and drink their milk and urine (as a medicine). So they followed the shepherd that is the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy. Then they killed the shepherd and drove away the camels. When the news reached the Prophet he sent some people in their pursuit. When they were brought, he cut their hands and feet and their eyes were branded with heated pieces of iron.

To translate this hadith a bit you will see a few different things, one being how we treat those infidals that treat is wrong.

At the beginning a group of Badawins came to the Prophet(saw) and needed help. The Prophet had to send them away because they had a disease/cold and it is either that he did not want them spread it to everyone else, or they needed to leave to get better. So he(saw) sent them away with some Muslims, camels, and food. They drank the camels milk, ate the food and drank the urine of the camels as well. One they got better they slaughtered all the Muslims that were with them. On hearing this the Prophet(saw) sent me to get these infidals. They were finally caught and the Prophet(saw) put a fair punishment for them. He but off their hands and feet (for stealing the food and stuff), then burned out their eyes with hot needles (not sure for what specific offense) and then left them go. They all died in the desert.

Now if you are speaking on the punishment, this is authentic and this is how the Prophet(saw) dealt with these people that slaughtered his beloeved Sahabah for no reason. As for the drinking of the Urine it is known as a cure for many diseases. The Prophet(saw) told us in many hadith to drink it (we don't have to if we don't like it). It is even proven through medicine that camel urine is actually good and not bad for the body. This is the only urine (that I know of) that our beloved Prophet(saw) told us it is okay to drink.
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We Muslims do not drink camel urine. That specific incident was regarding a sickness that some people had; the cure for which could be recieved only by mixing camel milk and urine. It was for a specific case and not general.

This is vastly different than the Hindus, who treat cows as Gods and do not eat them, do not hurt them in any way, sometimes treat them even better than other humans [lower-caste Dalits]. There was an incident not long ago, where a Hindu bus driver was driving up a mountain on a cliff side and there was a cow blocking the way. The bus was going too fast for him to stop in time, so he swerved to avoid hitting his god, and the bus drove right off the cliff. Several people were killed, including the driver, and the survivors were badly injured. And as for their "god"; the cow, it went on about its everyday business with no clue as to what had just happened.

We do not look to camels as "gods", na'udhubillah.

If the Hindus want to make fun of something Prophet Muhammad [saws] said, then shrug let them. The kuffar and mushrikeen were doing the same thing 1400 years ago. It does not make me lose my breakfast. Maybe the Hindus are having some sort of inferiority complex when they see Islam is such a superior way of life, so they have to try to assure themselves that Islam has "faults" the way Hinduism is built on falsehood. Maybe it makes them feel better. God knows best.

Look at the Crusaders of a thousand years ago. They came to the Muslim lands expecting a barbarous and uncivillized, heathen people living in wilderness. Instead, the superiority of the technologically and morally advanced society that they came upon shocked them to such an extent that many of them went mad. Others became Muslim and never bothered going back to their European stuck-in-the Dark-Ages villages.

Let me say it again. The kuffar will always make fun of Islam and say unfounded things. I could not care less. They can make fun of Islam till the Final Hour, it does not weaken Islam one bit.
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"I put my trust in Allah, my Lord and your Lord! There is not a moving creature, but He has a grasp of its forelock. Verily, my Lord is on the straight path. (The truth)"
(11:55-56)

"...Indeed my prayer, my sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allaah, the Lord of the worlds" (6:162)

Men with the knowledge on the subject have SPOKEN!

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Good job guys.

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khoon you are freaking me out dude..I didnt know you were a pro urine supporter!

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Ibrahim Bhai, Asslam Alaikum!!

Hence what Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) prescribed for the cure of a certain sickness was indeed based on divine knowledge that had been conveyed to him, since he was an illiterate and would have little knowledge about what medicinal values herbs and URINE may possess to cure that particular sickness.
Devoted to Truth<<

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Alwyas a pleasure to read your posts and expand my HOrizons!!!

Anyway I note that you accept this Urine Hadith!!!

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As always leave Hinduism alone!! HIndus being ignorant and uncivilized barbarians will do as they please!!!

Let’s stick to Came’s Urine for now.

Please enlighten us further if there are any more of these Hadith about Camel’s dung etc.,!!!

Camel's urine is more FROTHIER, has a fuller head than the Cow's.

Note:
Ibrahim says that the sunnah to DRINK CAMEL URINE was a DIVINE dictate - straight from the Upper Heavens.

DRINK up - Ibrahim! Cheers!

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Originally posted by Andhra:
Anyway I note that you accept this Urine Hadith!!!

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Ibrahim says: the hadith is not about urine, it is about how filth will always remain as filth, ( just like you in my perception, sorry to be blunt)

You see these hindus came with a problem and converted to Islam and for them only it was prescribed that they drink the MILK and the urine combination of that particular camels that may have been feasting on some particular herbs which the Prophet owned to cure that particular ailment they had .

** Instead of being grateful after being cured of their ailment, these people resorted to killing the herdsman and steal this particular camels ( most likely they may have felt that they could make money out of these medicinal camels ( since camels were in abundance in Arabia , it would make no sense as to why they need to kill and steal camels , when they knew full well they will have to die, when caught) **

Hence it was with regards to those camels that belonged to the prophet only that delighted them as having miraculous capabilities in curing ailments which caused them to commit murder and finally end up dead for their crime ( that is the essence of that hadith not urine)

Now to make it CLEAR to you once again, since you seem to have limited capabilities ( could be due to lack of functioning brain cells , find out if cow dung and cow urine could cure such sickness from your hindu brethren) in comprehending what I had written earlier.

** NO! , get it ???? , let me repeat it again NO!!!! the hadiths does not convey that camel urine is medicine what they narrate is concerning a particular incident in which camel had been used to manufacture medicine. Which cured a particular sickness for a particular group of individuals. **

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As always leave Hinduism alone!! ** Hindus being ignorant and uncivilized barbarians will do as they please!!!**
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Ibrahim says: exactly!!! , that is why Muslims need to be informed as to why the hindus ( people like you, since I know some hindus will surely spit at you ) have this filthy nature and will do what they please without any conscience bothering them.

So let me tell my Muslim brethren as to what was the punishment for Hindus who drank alcohol in those days which the hindus have forgotten and are doing as they please today .

HINDU CLEANSING RITUAL FOR HAVING DRUNK ALCOHOL

** pancagavya: milk, yogurt, butter, and the urine & excrement of a cow** (the five cow-products meant for consumption in Hindu rituals).

The following is a very important ** Ayurvedic treatment including cow urine & liquid cow dung to purify Hindus ** who have drunk alcohol:

** "A twice-born man so deluded that he has drunk liquor should drink boiling-hot liquor, and when his body has been scalded by it he is freed from that offence. ** Or he may drink boiling-hot cow's urine, water, milk, clarified butter, or liquid cow dung until he dies."** -- Manusmrti 11:91-92.

Hungry for some more pancagavya?

Here it is:

"For stealing raw or cooked food, a carriage, bed, or seat, flowers, roots, or fruits, ** the cleansing is swallowing the five cow-products (pancagavya)."** -- Manusmrti 11:166.

Like many regulations in Manusmrti, a similar one is also found in Visnusmrti:

"(For stealing) sweetmeats, (rice or other) food, (milk or other) drinks, a bed, a seat, flowers, roots, or fruit, ** drinking pancagavya (is ordained as penance).** (For stealing) grass, firewood, trees, rice in the husk, sugar, clothes, skins, or flesh, the thief must fast for three days." -- Visnusmrti 52:8-9.

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Let's stick to Came's Urine for now.
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Ibrahim says: sure you are welcome to drink any urine , that may please you but Muslims consider urine haram (filth), so do all educated people, but Hindu swami’s and even their presidents were human urine drinkers, which is indeed disgusting , not to forget the increasing number in India that are drinking cow’s urine today.

Hope that helps increase your knowledge that camels are not that much in demand in Arabia as cows in India. If by any chance you see the possibility of marketing camel urine in India just let me know I can broker some excellent deals for you and the Arabs would have an alternative income , other then oil. If God so willed. ( you can use this hadith to convince the Hindus of its miraculous nature, if you want) . .

Regards
Ibrahim

** we have billions of brain cells, they only ask for directions, apparently some (hindu brains) must be asking for urine. **

AbdulMalik bhai,
I won’t have anything said aginst Ibrahim here.
NOW I understand his posts.
Maybe he is full of his Divine Medicine when he types up all his stuff.
Makes a lot of sense.
Have you notived how LONG his posts are!!
You gotta be really HIGH when you give such long replies!!!

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Incidentally Ibrahim since this prescription medicine is coming directly from Heavens, can we set up an Agency to distribute it?
So all pious people can drink it and be assured of Heaven?

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Originally posted by Adbulmalick:
Camel's urine is more FROTHIER, has a fuller head than the Cow's.
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Ibrahim says: Adbul dear, Good to know that you have experience in such matters.

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Ibrahim says that the sunnah to DRINK CAMEL URINE was a DIVINE dictate - straight from the Upper Heavens.
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Ibrahim says : Now if you cannot produce this statement , that you claim I have written on my earlier post, what does that tell us about you and your follies??

Ibrahim, I would send you to an Asylum if I were incharge !!

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Here’s what you typed to sum up your post after all the mess you typed.(You were probably HIGH on Camel Urine so can’t remember!!

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; Hence what Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) prescribed for the cure of a certain sickness was indeed based on divine knowledge that had been conveyed to him, since he was an illiterate and would have little knowledge about what medicinal values herbs and URINE may possess to cure that particular sickness.
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THAT is YOUR conclusion!!
So you accepted that your Prophet did prescribe Camel’s Urine!!
All you were saying was since he is illiterate, the prescription was based on ‘Divine Knowledge’!!

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Now, where do HINUS come in all this ?

We are not talking about HIndus at all !!

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So stick to Camel’s Urine and Your Hadith!!

Drinkup if you want to by all means!!!

so u think if ur religion allows drinking urine all religions r that pathetic!!!!

or r u just trying to cover up with fake references....

grow up man....
lies wont get u any where....
just make u look like a bigger clown....


"Our Lord! forgive us our sins and anything we may have done that transgressed our duty; establish our feet firmly and help us against those that resist faith." **Quran(3:147)

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Originally posted by Ibrahim:
Ibrahim says : Now if you cannot produce this statement (To Drink Camel urine was a divine dictate) , that you claim I have written on my earlier post, what does that tell us about you and your follies??

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Here you go - O' speaker of the truth:
QUOTE:
Ibrahim says;
Hence what Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) prescribed for the cure of a certain sickness was indeed based on divine knowledge that had been conveyed to him, since he was an illiterate and would have little knowledge about what medicinal values herbs and URINE may possess to cure that particular sickness.

Devoted to Truth
Ibrahim
END OF QUOTE

What does this tell us about you?

To lie is also Divine when done for dawa'h!

AbdulMalick bhai, thank you!!

I observe you picked the same part of Ibrahim’s post as I did!!!

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So Ibrahim by your own admission ‘Camel Punch’ is divine!!!

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Toba!! Toba!!!

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armughal post something sensible and keep personal comments out.

Andhra,

If you would like my answer, regardless of all that has been said, I would say that I question the authenticity of the Hadiths.

If it was true, then people would have carried on the practice till today. As neither have the camels gone extinct, nor have the climate of Madina changed drastically.

You have to understand that the people who compiled the Hadiths, didn't claim that all are 'authentic'. They only compiled them based on a literary rule of thumb & with their own honesty put down sayings even if they disagreed with them. They should be given the due credit for their honesty & efforts. Now if some people can't seem to understand that work & take each & every word to be true word of the Holy prophet (saw), then its not a fault of the prophet or those who compiled these Ahadiths. The fault lies with those who with close eyes follow them word by word.

This is for all those who are intent on tossing personal insults at others. Consider this your last warning.

Im closing this thread, since its lost its purpose. It didnt seem to have one to begin with.