Is Afghanistan an artificial country???

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Thing is unnatural states usually do not last that long. India, afghanistan and pakistan , all 3 are unnatural states put together by the imperialists.
Look at eastern europe where all countries are now pretty much natural states, and the ones that werent, all fell apart. For example czhechoslovakia split into Czech republic and slovakia, yougoslavia split in to many different countries and most recently serbia montenegro split up.
india afghanistan and pakistan all have ethnic strife, and its been few ethnic groups who have pretty much controlled the whole country. in afghanistan it is the dari speakers who have the power, in pakistan its panjab, in india its utar praseh and andra pradesh. This creates alot of problems, and unequal balance.

unnatural states usually dont last long, offcourse, there are a few exceptions, but they are few.
I agree with smurf on forming something like the EU, and making natural states out of a region which at the moment, is unnatural

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Ranjit singh was an evil coward pillock! He butchered unarmed muslim civillians while there was disunity in the area due to the british influence in the region. He was a mere opportunist which explains why his empire lasted 1 year only. As soon as muslims took notice of what he was doing they kicked his ass out so hard he fell further back than he had came! I personally blame our leaders for fighting with each other and ignoring the civillians they were supposed to be protecting.

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By the way any muslim (as you say) who regards ranjit singh as a hero, deserves to have thier teeth knocked out...

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There are more Pashtuns in Pakistan than Afghanistan, but the figure is not as low as 38% in Afghanistan. The figure is perhaps half of Afghanistan.

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yeah???

ok now if a sikh tells me some thing about “ranjit sigh” I am going to kick his behind.

:desimunda:

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Those guys who ake those sites are about three people wiht different nicks they are jokes. One o them thinks Mirwais Neeka(forefather of Pakhtun/Afghan nationalism) was an uzbek, and that pashtu is eastern iranian beacuse of an influx of persian (western iranian language), so go figure. PLus, Khorasan was the name of the empire, theres no background that indicates tajik or persian nationalism. If anyhing they should talk about the Samanids, and I don't see a problem with it. Afghanistan's current borders are artificial.

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I think this linguistic divide of sub-cultures is completely exaggerated. Indo-Aryan (or “Indic” derived from the word Indus) and Iranian are closely related sub-branches of the same family of language. Indo-Aryan and Iranian peoples share a great deal of common history, culture, etc. On the linguistic structure, refer to the following analysis:

**It is interesting that languages are related and have common origins.
Linguists classify them based on their commonalities. Indo-European
languages are one of the many distinct family of languages. Indo-
European languages can be further divided into the following branches:

  1. Albanian
  2. Armenian
  3. Baltic
  4. Celtic
  5. Germanic
  6. Greek
  7. Indo-Iranian
  8. Italic/Latin
  9. Slavic

The Indo-Iranian branch is further divided into Iranian (Persian,
Kurdish, Pashto, Baluchi, etc) and Indo-Aryan (Punjabi, Urdu,
Gujarati, Hindi, Sindhi, Kashmiri, etc) sub-branches.

Similarly, the Germanic branch is divided into Eastern, Northern
(Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic, etc), and Western (English,
Frisian, German, etc) sub-branches.

In the same way, the Slavic branch is divided into Western (Czech,
Slovak, Polish, etc), Southern (Bulgarian, Macedonian, Serbian,
Croatian, etc), and Eastern (Belarusan, Russian, Urkrinian, etc) sub-
branches.

Other branches are also divided into sub-branches.

It is interesting to know that Indo-Iranian languages are the native
languages of 99% of Pakistanis, 65% of Iranians, 84% of Afghans, and
69% of Indians!**

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Most present-day countries can be called “unnatural/artificial”.

UK is English domination over Scotland, N. Ireland, Welsh, etc. Spain is Castillian domination over the Basques, Catalanians, etc. Russia is Russian domination over the Chechens, Siberians, Tatars, etc. etc etc

Then think of how the French and British imperialists drew boundary lines and created all the countries of the Middle East from the ashes of Ottoman Empire (Sykes-Picot treaty). Or African, Latin American, and Southeast Asian countries for that matter.

So why stop over with India, Pakistan, and Afghanistan. At least in Pakistan’s case there was a degree of democratic process in its creation (with the blessings of the British).

Let’s go to our another western neighbor: Iran. It calls itself “Iran” yet only 65% of its population is linguistically Iranian (before 1935 it used to call itself Persia when in fact only 50% of its people were Persians), and its borders were created by the Russians and the British imperialists.

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Regarding Pakistan:

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showpost.php?p=4137363&postcount=6

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It doesnt say Muslim religious scholars, it says Muslim academics.

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It is true that Khorasan region has evolved through the centuries. When you say that it passed to the Arabs then to the Persian Sassanids, that statement cannot be true since the Sassanid era predates Arab rule, which was around 226-651 AD (Sassanid empire).
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I meant Saminid. Persian Sassinid tried to conquer "Khorasan", then the Arabs, and then the Persian Saminid.

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I dont talk about the websites, but the written history.
When King Nadir Shah entered Kandahar and fought with ghiljies and finally captured Kandahar in 1732, then formed the Afghan Army wherein Ahmand Shah Abdali, his father and brother were included. And from there Nadir Shah entered India. That was the first time Ahmad Shah Abdali or his father entered India. Now you tell me how he was born in Multan. May be in your dreams.
It doesnt matter if Pukhtun leaves in Karachi or Punjab, as long as he follows his Pukhtunwali, he is a Pukhtun and if he doesnt then he can be termed as Karachiates or Punjabi.

As far as the statistics are concern, please see the official site of Afghanistan or any reliable source. It is an irrefutable fact that Pukhtuns form 75% of Afghanistan. However, only upto 60% can speak Pukhto, remaining speaks dari and majority of them are Mohammadzai and other abdali tribes.

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Do not revive old threads pls.

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