Iraqi handover 'brought forward' from 30 June to Monday.

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No. These “terrorist thugs” are the ones you worship and adore who killed more than 100 Iraqi men, women and children over the last few days and saw off the heads of other innocents because it brings them closer to God. You know, the ones now threatening to chop off the heads of three Muslim Turks and one Muslim Pakistani.

Here’s how the New Iraqi Prime Minister views them:
“I call on our people to stand united to expel the foreign terrorists who are killing our children and destroying our country” Allawi said in comments broadcast around the world.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=5532923

And you know what? He wasn’t talking about the US army. Seems like only you and a few other keyboard jihadis still view the terrorist scum as something brave and worthy of praise.

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Originally posted by myvoice: *
**Since the interim government has the authority to ask us to remove our troops but has indicated that it will not do so....*
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That's the funniest thing i have read today. Why bite the hand that feeds you. Or in this particular scenario, why bite the hand that funds/sponsors/endorses and created you. Like the interim government is EVER going to criticize or state anything against the very entity that created it. Seriously!!!!

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*Originally posted by myvoice: *

No. These "terrorist thugs" are the ones you worship and adore who killed more than 100 Iraqi men, women and children over the last few days and saw off the heads of other innocents because it brings them closer to God.

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first of all your lack of knowledge is obvious to everyone becase a muslim does not worship another human being. So you are being corrected on this point.

Secondly 100 iraqi men and women being killed very sad and the fault of that lies on the ones who are responsible for security of the country and guess who has the security?

Killing and sawing heads of innocents, we do not know who plant these bombs we can only assume and without proof it is inconclusive who is responsible, but what is a fact that evryone knows is that the US has been killing innocents for very very long time!

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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *

That's the funniest thing i have read today. Why bite the hand that feeds you. Or in this particular scenario, why bite the hand that funds/sponsors/endorses and created you. Like the interim government is EVER going to criticize or state anything against the very entity that created it. Seriously!!!!
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Where have you been vacationing my dear? Members of the interim government have been criticisizing quite a bit of how the US has been trying to run things. Because you have made up your mind that the best thing is for the US to vacate Iraq forthwith, you assume anyone and everyone who takes the opposite position is a US stooge.

This may surprise you Nadia, but a good many smart, patriotic Iraqis believe that the last best hope of the Iraqi people is for the US to keep its troops there and continue to attempt to bring a level of security to the country to enable it to establish a functioning government. They know that the indiscriminate slaughter of Iraqi civilians by the terrorists and the beheadings of other innocents that have been occuring over the last several weeks is just a small precursor of what would happen if the US were to now cut and run.

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*Originally posted by ak47: *

Secondly 100 iraqi men and women being killed very sad and the fault of that lies on the ones who are responsible for security of the country and guess who has the security?

Killing and sawing heads of innocents, we do not know who plant these bombs we can only assume and without proof it is inconclusive who is responsible, but what is a fact that evryone knows is that the US has been killing innocents for very very long time!
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Let me get ths straight..you think that the person who plants a bomb that kills many many people is not responsible for the deaths but the security agencies or police are? SO what is the capital of Bizarro World wherre are you from? :)

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first of all your lack of knowledge is obvious to everyone becase a muslim does not worship another human being. So you are being corrected on this point.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, .... right. Muslims can't kill or behead innocent people either according to scripture so therefore it cannot be. Geez, you live in a simple world. A false world, but simple nonetheless.

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Oh please. The people were hand picked? By whom? By Brahimi! We spend the better part of a year whining that the UN has not been involved, and THEN, the UN is involved and immediately discounted. The UN passes a reoslution IN FAVOR of the new government, and the same people who have been crying for UN involvement discount the administration as a puppet.

Let's face it, the insurgents, as in Afghanistan are the only barrier to the first free and fair elections to be held in 30 years. Even AL-SADR wants to be part of the elections. Why do the insurgents NOT want elections?

Like it or not today represents progress. Far more painful than expected, but progress.

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oh yes, one or two passing comments have been made. Never anything along the lines of ‘get out of our country’.

Is this based upon any very recent poll ?

OG, Brahimi ? Where does Brahimi fit into this scenario? Poor guy has been made as useless as Kofi Annan.

*…sovereignty will be limited in practice, because the [interim Iraqi government] is only an interim body and will not be able to permanently write or amend the country’s basic laws.

The IIG suffers the same drawback as its predecessor, the Iraqi Governing Council, did - it is unelected and tainted in many Iraqi eyes by having been installed under US auspices.* (Source)

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Funny, A few weeks ago, you WANTED Brahimi running the whole country! My how things change!

"OG, Despite your fervent attempts to 'prove' the contrary, it CAN be done. Why won't you even consider the idea? Put the force under the control of Lakhdar Brahimi, UN envoy to Iraq. If we transferred authority to the UN, it is almost a sure-fire thing you would get previously reluctant countries like Canada onboard. "

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Good searching skills, OG;~) It doesn't matter what i want. i am not attaining it in my lifetime. Brahimi, Annan, the entire UN - since when have they ever been an equal and active member of this entire process since it initiated over twelve months ago with the official Invasion? What actual role did the UN play during the invasion, take your mind back to last year. Who was listening to the UN? Who bypassed the UN ? Who ignored the UN ? It doesn't matter what i "want". It is not occurring. Not in my lifetime, i think. What actual power does Brahimi possess, please educate me. Does he have the power to disband the Occupying Forces? Does he have the authority to enact laws regarding the first democratic elections in Iraq (whenever they are held) and what format they will follow? Does Brahimi have the authority to dictate what percentage of the first elected Iraqi cabinet (IF there is one) will be comprised of Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds? What authority does Brahimi actually posses?

It's convenient to throw in Brahimi's name now and then to give the semblance of transparency and impartiality, and the figleaf UN cover. In reality, it is more likely that Canada will invade the US today, than it is that Brahimi or any other hapless soul in the UN, can actually dictate affairs in Iraq.

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For a year we have been hearing about how the US was acting unilaterally, that the UN should be included, and part of the process. Read on!

U.N. Welcomes Iraq Back Into ‘Family’

1 hour, 29 minutes ago

By EDITH M. LEDERER, Associated Press Writer

UNITED NATIONS - U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan (news - web sites) welcomed Iraq (news - web sites) “back into the family of independent and sovereign nations” Monday and called on all Iraqis to assist the new, interim government.

The U.N. Security (news - web sites) Council also welcomed the handover of power and the official end of the American and British occupation and reaffirmed “the independence, sovereignty, unity and territorial integrity of Iraq.”

Annan’s top adviser on Iraq, Lakhdar Brahimi, said the “former occupying powers” and the new government must now demonstrate to the Iraqi people that the 150,000 foreign troops in the country are there to support the government in maintaining security — and that they will be leaving.

“We are all keeping our fingers crossed,” said Brahimi, who helped put together the new government.

“We hope that this is going to be a true beginning and those who are opposing occupation will now consider that opposing occupation is not necessary anymore and that both sides — the government and these people — will try and find a common ground to build Iraq,” he told reporters at U.N. headquarters.

So basically you got what you asked for! The UN has heartily endorsed the new government, and the political process leading up to elections! Not that this will make a difference to those who prefer violence, but Iraqis now have control over their own ministries, foreign affairs, oil revenue, and the only things they do not have complete contol over is security, and the $18 Billion Myvoice is donating to Iraq for it’s rebuilding.

The process of governing Iraq will have to evolve in stages. If you think that there would not be wholesale slaughter in Iraq if the US forces left, you are hopelessly naieve. But, in everyway possible the US, and now NATO are training up Iraqi’s to maintain security over their own country. Can’t happen soon enough for me…

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^ Why in the world would you want Brahimi to do all that you mention above instead of a bunch of Iraqis picked by Brahimi who are now the interim government?

** "Does he have the power to disband the Occupying Forces?" **

Brahimi doesn't but the interim government he picked does.

** "Does he have the authority to enact laws regarding the first democratic elections in Iraq (whenever they are held) and what format they will follow?" **

Brahimi doesn't but the interim government he picked does.

** "Does Brahimi have the authority to dictate what percentage of the first elected Iraqi cabinet (IF there is one) will be comprised of Sunnis, Shias, and Kurds? What authority does Brahimi actually posses?" **

I don't think Brahimi does but the interim government he picked probably does.

It's clear that what you don't like is the decisions on these questions that are being made. Therefore, you denigrate the body that is making them. What makes you think that Brahimi, the UN or anyone else would make other decisions closer to your own beliefs? The only group that we know of that would choose to immediately disband the Occupying Forces is the group killing Iraqis every day and cutting off heads right and left. Do you really feel comfortable finding yourself in simpatico with this group as opposed to those Iraqis who are day to day struggling to rebuild Iraq and poise it to hold free elections?

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A positive step. One needs to take baby steps before full strides. This Iraqi Government has limited powers which the likes of Al-Sistani had hoped they would. Iraq's foundation is set and the road to elections can start to be built.

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Lest we also miss the point, Both the EU and NATO have issued full support for the Interim Government of Iraq.

“President George W. Bush on Saturday won the European Union’s unqualified backing for Iraq’s new leaders four days before they take power, but made no tangible progress on debt relief for Baghdad.”

Of course, the Europeans are more concerned about their money, while the US is contributing money!

NATO statement:

"We, the 26 heads of state and government of the nations of the Atlantic Alliance, meeting in Istanbul, declare our full support for the independence, sovereignty, unity, and territorial integrity of the Republic of Iraq and for strengthening of freedom, democracy, human rights, rule of law and security for all the Iraqi people.

"We welcome the unanimous adoption of Security Council Resolution 1546 … as an important step toward Iraq’s political transition to democratic government. We pledge our full support for the effective implementation of (the resolution).

"We are united in our support for the Iraqi people and offer full cooperation to the new sovereign interim government as it seeks to strengthen internal security and prepare the way to national elections in 2005. "

http://www.tulsaworld.com/BreakingNewsStory.asp?ID=040628_Br_NATOIRAQ

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*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
Lest we also miss the point, Both the EU and NATO have issued full support for the Interim Government of Iraq.

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Oh, how nice. Isn't this the same EU that you and your government didn't give a bit of notice when you invaded the country. Now suddenly you are quoting the same "old Europe" in support of your arguments. My, my how things change. The same French who were so hated that even the name of fries was changed in America now you are so happy to have their support. Tsk Tsk.

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The amerikkan guppshup brigade are fooling no one but themselves at there pathetic attempts to spin the occupation as a good thing.

The US are not wanted in iraq by anyone, they messed up big time.

Amerikkan forces have disgraced themselves in the process with there peverted acts in Iraq.

Now this fake handover to CIA employee they saying iraq is independent what load of crap. They are sending more troops into iraq building military bases all over iraq and saying this is end of occupation!

We all belive the liars from the states and britain NOT!

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^ This is just terrific. Now that Iraq is being governed by Iraqis instead of Paul Bremer, the terrorist supporting, anti-Amreekkkan brigade has got to oppose an Iraqi led Iraq.

It's really becoming quite pathetic. The only thing some of these people seem to be able to support is death. And it doesn't matter who dies. Life, self-determination, progress, etc. are viewed as evil and bad and something to be resisted.

The handover yesterday. Thursday, Saddam gets to face his Iraqi judges as the charges of crimes against humanity are read to him and the Iraqi people. The momentum of events is slipping, slipping, slipping away from the terrorists.