Iraqi corpses, body parts scattered after suicide bombing.

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50 murder and more injured. The poll a few weeks ago in general had the majority supporting suicide bombers, no?

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Checking back, the majority in the poll did not support suicide bombers, that is a good thing.

ISKANDARIYAH, Iraq - A car bomb exploded Tuesday morning at a police station south of Baghdad as dozens of would-be recruits lined up to apply for jobs, and a hospital official said at least 50 people were killed and 50 others woundedU.S. officials in Baghdad put the figure at 35 killed and 75 wounded but said the figure could be higher since Iraqi authorities were handling the investigation.

The local Iraqi police commander, Lt. Col. Abdul Rahim Saleh, said the attack was a suicide operation, carried out by a driver who detonated a red pickup as it passed by the station.

“I am sure it was a vehicle,” Saleh said. “We found its engine. It was a suicide operation and a cowardly act.”

He said most of the victims appeared to be Iraqi civilians.

The blast in this predominately Shiite Muslim town followed warnings from occupation officials that Iraqi insurgents would step up attacks against Iraqis who work with the U.S.-led coalition, especially in the runup to the planned June 30 transfer of sovereignty to a provisional Iraqi government.

Al-Qaida allegedly urged to foment civil war
On Monday, U.S. officials said a letter seized last month from an al-Qaida courier asked the terrorist leadership to help foment civil war between Sunnis and Shiites to undermine the coalition and the future Iraqi leadership.

The purported author of the letter was Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a Palestinian-Jordanian suspected of al-Qaida links. The author boasted of having organized 25 suicide attacks in Iraq.

U.S. paratroopers from the 82nd Airborne Division sealed off the area around the station and refused to allow journalists near the blast site about 30 miles south of Baghdad.

In Baghdad, Lt. Col. Dan Williams, a coalition spokesman, said no U.S. or other coalition forces were hurt.

Hospital director Razaq Jabbar said his facility had received 50 dead and 50 injured — all believed to be Iraqis. He said he had heard that three others died at another hospital.

“This figure might increase,” he said. “There were some body parts that haven’t been identified yet. Some more bodies may be trapped under the rubble.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4016883/

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im guessing because suicide bombing is such a carpet term, used for describing any number of violent attacks, including some that i support, that this poll had higher people against. i think i went against too.

and im guessing people in favour pretty much know that its used at times for unjustifiable wanton crazy acts of violence, and only went the support route to oppose its cynical use as a means to political mileage by certain israeli quarters.

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That's pretty sad .. I heard there was another one with similar number of casulties.

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The bombing mentioned above is #8, today was #9. In total over a hundred iraqi's standing in line trying to feed thier families. Where is the outrage?

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Where is the outrage?
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The same place whenever any attrocities are committed by non-Americans. Nowhere.

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You oppose things when you have an audience.

Bring me one person who justifies this in any way and see how everyone will launch into him.

Events that are incontrovertebly callous, animalistic acts of butchery dont generate much discussion, unless there is someone on the other side touting it as a blow for freedom.

see anyone doing that on these boards?

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ravage:
IMO, you can't express your support for a group and cheer them on without also supporting the atrocious, inhuman acts they perpetrate on a daily basis. Cheering and supporting them when they do something you think is good like killing a few American troops AND being silent when they blow up a bunch of innocent Iraqis is just plain wrong. They are not brave, nobel resistance fighters working for the best interests of the Iraqi people when they blow up Iraqis with the same pleasure and impunity as they kill American troops.

These are just plain bad people who are working solely for their own interests and their own interests include dragging the entire populace down into chaos and disorder.

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They (the attackers) are now deliberately targetting those Iraqis who want to join police/army. This seems more against bringing back stability into the country, rather than attacking the occupying US military.

I am getting very skeptical about the motices of the attackers. As long as they are attacking Americans, I can see that they are against occupation... and have a reasonable basis for that. But when they attack other Iraqis, quite deliberately, that should raise the question, as to what is their motive? Do they not want Americans to leave? Wouldn't one think that as soon as Iraqi police and army is in place, then the US will be able to run away from Iraq relatively quickly. Why prolong the occupation?

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oh no Faisal you are not proposing a conspiracy theory, are you? Could US be behind these attacks to prolong its stay in Iraq? hmmmm.. never thought of it that way, but now that you brought it up, I will have to think about it. Well, no way they will not do that. Never, afterall they celeberate freedom and are their to help rebuild economy...err Iraq.

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A good Iraqi economy helps out the U.S. and they do like to look out for #1.

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"I am getting very skeptical about the motices of the attackers."

Gosh really.

"Could US be behind these attacks to prolong its stay in Iraq?"

Oh yeah, we are really happy having our troops killed in a foreign land. If your theory is that the US wants to control Iraq, and pillage it's resources, why not have proxy troops do the bleeding? Ludicrous but predictable comment...

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How many of the troops have dies? 600 and how many innocents have they killed? Its a samll price to pay to "pillage" a country if you ask me.

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Just for the record, I didn't say that these attacks are carried out by Americans. I am just saying the attacks are now against Iraqi people, so there is a reasonable basis to say that those who are carrying out these attacks are not interested in making sure Iraq gets stable again.

Whether they are Saddam loyalists who fear that in the elections Shias will dominate, whether its Al-Qaeeda who wants to use it as an example of American incompetence or someone who wants to keep American military trapped in Iraq ... we don't know.

I don't think these attacks are helping Americans. If they want to get out, it is harder to say, we are getting out of Iraq even when the country is up in the flames. If they want to stay in Iraq, they are coming across as quite inept occupying force which can't maintain peace and stability.

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^^ The devil is in details bhaijaan. ;)

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by myvoice: *
ravage:
IMO, you can't express your support for a group and cheer them on without also supporting the atrocious, inhuman acts they perpetrate on a daily basis. Cheering and supporting them when they do something you think is good like killing a few American troops AND being silent when they blow up a bunch of innocent Iraqis is just plain wrong.

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I presume you opened many threads about the MANY civilians the invading army killed/destroyed lives of? Opening fire on wedding revellers, not once, not twice. Firing with live munition on a crowd of protestors? The fact that twice as many civilians were killed at the hands of US munitions than 911?

DONT give the BS answer that had Saddam been around more people would've been killed anyway. So fine. Had Iraq not been occupied right now, more iraqis had been killed anyway. So its okay that a bomb goes off in the midst of iraqis. Just as fine as cluster bombs.

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They are not brave, nobel resistance fighters working for the best interests of the Iraqi people when they blow up Iraqis with the same pleasure and impunity as they kill American troops.

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they dont have the propaganda machine their opposition has, else they'd come to be portrayed as noble warriors fighting to bring about freedom and liberation, bleeding with every innocent sacrifice they make rolling about the mud clutching their belly, ensuring that every bomb they explode is designed to kill as few iraqis as possible so long as they stay indoors when it happens. Or something.

you remember? you used to use the same logic right? "stay indoors, we dont want to hurt you". Im sure if the iraqi population stays indoors there would be far fewer casualties now too.

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These are just plain bad people who are working solely for their own interests and their own interests include dragging the entire populace down into chaos and disorder.
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I dont care to wager if they're bad or good. Im not sure. I do know that if they're working for their interests, American interests arent altruistic either, and in the way of serving these interests the american military does not hesitate from dragging a country into chaos and disorder.

Once again. I condemn this vulgar contempt for human life.

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"DONT give the BS answer that had Saddam been around more people would've been killed anyway."

How can you be so dismissive of this fact? 35 years of consistently killing Muslims and you are prepared to brush this under the rug? This is the strangest thing about Guppies to me, how willing to forgive this behavior, instead of attaching some importance to it. If I read a list of Saddams horrors against muslims, and changed the name from Saddam to Sharon, there would be wails of agony from every Guppy. Instead, deafening silence....

I just don't get it....

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Please refrain from personal brawls. And comments that are directly related to the thread best enhance chances of a productive discussion.

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There's a thread titled in religion called;
"The Deafening Silence of the Mulsim Voice in Australia"
started by OldLahori (where did she go?) 16 months ago questioning the same thing, give it a look.

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[QUOTE]
*Originally posted by Ohioguy: *
"DONT give the BS answer that had Saddam been around more people would've been killed anyway."

How can you be so dismissive of this fact? 35 years of consistently killing Muslims and you are prepared to brush this under the rug?

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I'm not brushing anything under any rug. You know this debate will necessarily wind down to the motives of the attack and whether you gave a crap about any killings for the larger part of those 35 years, particularly because the particular segment of Muslims being killed wasnt particularly liked by those playing saviour decades after the events.

Bottom line, it all boils down to sound bites. 6000,10000 civilians killed by you is collateral damage, they shouldve stayed indoors, theres a war going on. 50 civilians massacred by them is an attack on innocent people trying to live their lives in the chaotic iraq.

Civilians lining up to serve for the US occupation forces arent motivated by the love of Uncle Sam. Nor were most conscripts/government office workers hardline Saddamists. They were people who needed to work. And you as well as I saw television repeat footage upon footage of columns of soldiers/government office buildings decimated in your hideous, brutal war. If you have the right to view these people as fair game for cluster bombs, iraqi terrorists may view those cooperating with america as traitors.

im not saying either side is right or wrong. im saying neither side should have the gall to take higher moral ground.

This doesnt change the fact that Muslims have been extraordinarily voiceless. This does not give you the right, however, to appropriate for yourself the ability to invade muslim countries, kill more people and throw the whole region into turmoil for your own selfish reasons.

demonstrate your altruism where it is needed much, much more. go to congo if you feel the need to save lives so very much. if you wish to take out bad men, why merely bad men with oil?

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This is the strangest thing about Guppies to me, how willing to forgive this behavior, instead of attaching some importance to it. If I read a list of Saddams horrors against muslims, and changed the name from Saddam to Sharon, there would be wails of agony from every Guppy. Instead, deafening silence....

I just don't get it....
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'This' is not me. I've hated certain muslim rulers all my life, including saddam and fahd. Dont practice your blanket bigotry on me.