Iraq Golden Shrine Destroyed by Bombs!

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Iam puzzled by the reaction of many muslims, when the Saudis were destroying anything linked to the prophet it was considered to be the right thing to do, histroical buildings razed and replaced with parking lots, hotels and Muslims do not utter a word of protest. Here we have the Dome of another historical artifact being destroyed for whatever reason and we try to blame the Americans? Does everything have to be politicized? Can we not practice a single principle for us and them?

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Musharraf’s real power comes from the army and corps commanders, not from America. Without army support, he is nothing.

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Its very clear and cynical what the americans did, the sectarian violence is up and running now it is up to the muslims if they want to folow the US plan of a divided iraq or to keep a united Iraq!

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If you’re sugesting that the US had not destored mosques/antiquities, or even gasp, kill people, then you’re a bigger fool than I thought.

Oh, but I forgot…it’s all good just as long as you say “ooops” after the act…

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^ why are people so foolish? sunnis blast the shia moqsue and instead of discussing and fixing that you are taking potshots at the US. Are you interested in solving a problem or just scoring cheap points and arguements?

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Oh I am absolutely certain that the US military has destroyed mosques. I sat with a soldier a couple of weeks ago in a Country Karaoke bar. He was in a unit outside of Baghdad during the beginning months of the war. Every night they would send up a surveilance drone to look for Iraqi insurgents who were shooting mortars into their base. One night they caught the guys on camera, and had the drone follow them back to their base which was, of course, in the local mosque. A few minutes later the mosque was flattened by US artillery.

I bought the guy drinks all night.

But, you are blind, deaf, dumb and butt stupid if you think that it is somehow in the US best interest to have the Shia and the Sunni kill each other in an all out civil war. Sectarian violence is a problem that Islam needs to come to grips with, instead of trying to ignore it, or create wild conspiracies to cover up more Muslim violence.

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Sir, I think you are mixing apples with oranges. America occupies and controls everything so whatever that goes in there is their responsibility. Like when Saddam said that he does not know whether terrorists live in Iraq and the whole world rejected his statement. It should have been in America’s mindset that Shia and Sunni in Iraq are very very hostile to each other. A simple action and bomb might ignite an already buring fire of hate and hostility. They should’ve known and made sure all of these Shrines are protected. Now this is not the first time a Shrine was attacked in Iraq. It happened before and U.S with its militray might and intelligence fail to bring any kind of stability and calm in that region. The bottom line is that they are otiose and confused to take care and rebuild a broken and damaged Iraq.

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why? America has been handing over more and more responsibility to locals.

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good point. shia sunni violence was present before US, Israel or Pakistan even existed. extremists on both ends have been at each others throats, average joes want none of this crap but it serves the interests of extremists leaders.

and even if someone can go as far as saying that these clowns are pawns in some bigger game of some unseen external forces, what type of idiot knowingly becomes a pawn unless what he is doing is something taht he wants to do anyways.

the ppl responsible for this should be hunted down and made to rebuild the shrines and build a few extra ones.

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This is terrible, for all Muslims. 130 Sunnies and dozens of their mosques have been attacked so far. Shias had so far been held back by Sistani’s fatwas against violent retaliation, but the shrines bombed are two of the most revered Ahl e Bayt (whom both shias and sunnis are supposed to respect).

Thousands have died in these attacks, Im very glad that three of the most prominent shia voices, Sistani, Ahmedinejad and Sadr have called for peace and unity or condemned retaliation on Sunies. I hope the message sticks. At the same time I would urge Sunni posters to lobby their moulanas to advocate peace and unity from their pulpits. I have constantly been saying one thing, in all of these threads. If the sunnies mainstream have one failing, it is that prominent Sunni clerics of influence fail to condemn such things from the pulpits and the fatwas. We will believe you if you disassociate yourselves from such crimes, no Muslim does this. But it is reasonable to ask that atleast some condemnation be issued for mosques and Muslim blood that should be holy to you too.

http://www.irna.ir/en/news/view/menu-234/0602237926163602.htm

At the same time it is disingenuous to suggest that all of this is the work of americans. Lets hope Iraq doesnt spiral further into sectarian chaos, because that would probably have spilloff effects on the rest of the Muslim world, including Pakistan.

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**TEHRAN – The serious crime of the terrorists who bombed the holy shrines of the tenth and eleventh Shia Imams, Imam Hadi (AS) and Imam Hassan Askari (AS), on Wednesday in Iraq was an insult to the sanctities of all Muslims.

Undoubtedly, it is a new plot which first of all can be considered as the continuation of the disrespectful move of the European newspapers’ that published cartoons of the Prophet of Islam.

Secondly, the offensive act was meant to create division between Iraqi Shias and Sunnis and ignite a civil war, following the failure of the plans of the occupiers of the country.**

This is a critical juncture for the vigilant Islamic world. Shias certainly know that such moves are not the work of their Sunni brothers but are directed by the hands of the enemies of Islam.

Meanwhile, the Sunni brothers should also be aware that the same terrorists who carried out the criminal act in Samarra yesterday will probably attack their holy sites in the future.

In a message on Wednesday, the Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution noted that any emotional act carried out due to ignorance about the real enemy of Islam, including any attack against sites that are respected by Sunnis, is “haram” (forbidden in Islam) and called on Muslims to foil the enemies’ plots through awareness.

Another issue that should also not be ignored is the fact that the occupier U.S. regime, which has turned Iraq’s security to insecurity with its 150,000 troops and military equipment, is the main element responsible for these criminal acts.

“What happened is an attempt to disrupt the efforts being made to enhance national unity… rebuild the nation and achieve a prosperous future for Iraq,” the king said in a message to Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.** Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Siniora, who is himself a Sunni but rules over a country with a large Shia community, warned the bombing was “meant to divide Muslims between Sunni and Shia with the goal of breaking Iraq’s unity and unity among Muslims.”

Leading Lebanese Shia cleric Seyyed Mohammad Hussein Fadlallah accused the United States of deliberately stoking communal tensions in Iraq in a bid to maintain its “occupation”.**

“The American occupation is trying to keep its grip on Iraq by benefiting from these crimes that she encourages directly or indirectly,” Fadlallah said.

In his message, Supreme Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khamenei expressed his condolences to Shias and all brave and aware Muslims throughout the world over the bombings earlier in the day of the holy shrines of the tenth and eleventh Shia Imams, Imam Hadi (AS) and Imam Hassan Askari (AS), in Samarra, Iraq.

“This is a political crime and its roots have to be traced in the intelligence organizations of the Iraqi occupiers and the Zionists. The aggressive powers that perceive the political and social conditions in Iraq as contrary to their objectives devise ominous plans in their heads, some of which to intensify insecurity and create sectarian strife.

“The holy shrines in Samarra will once again rise with even greater magnificence than before through the efforts of those who respect the holy Imams, but this criminal act has left a dark stain on the foreheads of the enemies of Islam and Muslims which will not be wiped off for a long time.

“I hereby call on mourners in Iran, Iraq, and other parts of the world to seriously avoid any measure that would lead to animosity and aggression among Muslim brothers. “Undoubtedly hidden hands are at work to provoke Shias to attack mosques and sites respected by the Sunnis. Any kind of measure to this end is equivalent to supporting the objectives of the enemies of Islam and is haram.”
http://www.tehrantimes.com/Descripti...&Cat=2&Num=012
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It is clear after the aftermath of the bombings who is indeed behind such a heinous crime, the ones who benefit are the occupiers who are continuing with thier divide and rule plan. The sunnis muslims will gain nothing by bombing a mosque, the occupiers gain a grip on iraq and can continue with their plan to divide iraq into a sunni, shia and kurdish statelets!**

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I just love when the "Tehran Times" accuses the "Hidden Hand". So ignorant.

Dude, if the US wanted three states they would have endorsed Kurdish independence from day one. Why go through three years of fighting? Most Iraqis want a single state, they just want their group to have complete and total control.

Tell me again about the brotherhood of Muslims?

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Ohioguy The US is guilty as hell who wants to see muslims fight each other and who was the ones adding fuel to the Fire of the IRaq vs Iran war in the 80's ooops looks like Mr Bush fan is feeling guilty and embarassed again.........

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Who is Imam Askari and Naqi anyway??

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Ohioguy tell me why what you term muslim extremists will destory a shine which is sacred to both sunnis and shias? After all if they are muslim they would protect it instead of destorying it.

Secondly which muslim group has taken credit for this? No the CIA does not count as a muslim terrorist group.

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Grumy why are Muslims doing this in Pakistan? Why bomb precessions and mosques? Aren’t they all places where Muslims worship?
Religion in itself is no uniting factor. Look in Sudan. Why are there no Shia Imams in Saudi Arabia? After all, Shia and Sunni are all Muslims and all go to Mecca.

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Gosh, probably because the shrine was being used by the Shia, whom the Sunnis hate. Sorta like the same fights that occur in Pakistan. Follow the boucing hand grenade and ask the nice folks lobbing them why they do it…

And, I guess the CIA should call up Al-Jazeera and say, “This is Faisal, with Al-Qaedda in Iraq. We did it. Good Bye.” That would make things clear for you eh? :rolleyes:

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But, you are blind, deaf, dumb and butt stupid if you think that it is somehow in the US best interest to have the Shia and the Sunni kill each other in an all out civil war. Sectarian violence is a problem that Islam needs to come to grips with, instead of trying to ignore it, or create wild conspiracies to cover up more Muslim violence.
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Unh...and this discounts the FACT that Americans were killing Muslims and destroying their sacred places and historical artifacts...how?

Point: YOU ARE NO DIFFERENT. You're buying rounds for those who blew up mosques proves you to be no different.

But I see...when an insurgent does it, it's BAAAAD...but when Americans do it...it's all good.

Where do I fit in? As one who supports neither you nor the insurgents who blow up mosques.

You can put your soap box away now.

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I don't know why we are so up in arms about Shia Sunni thing. This is not the issue here. Racism exists everywhere. We are saying like we are the only group of people who are divided. In America, you have history where Christians discriminated and killed their fellow Christians on the base of color. Don't get me worng, if they were Sunni Muslims who did this, may they burn in hell...but the point is when Law and Order is not present in the country, such things are bound to happen.

America is responsible for it because it controls everything. Iraqi forces are just in numbers. Most of them are attacked so many times that they have left the force. If there is no law and order in the country, people's properties and other sites are in danger. U.S should have gone after these elements or made sure the site was secure. I have yet to see them execute a plan inside Iraq. There is no plan to begin with. Everyone is blaming it on Muslims and Islam but the bottom line is that it is human nature to hate no matter how much you teach them. It was there and it will be there.

U.S responsibilty as an occupying force is to ensure safe environment, which in these past years we have not seen. They are lost and so far this 'Mission' of theirs have not only resulted in hundered and thousands of Iraqi civilians lives but also casualties for them. Just look at Iraq, how stable it looks to you? It's civil war now. If you want to give these people something better than Saddam than have a plan to get it done. How are you going to solve the Shia Sunni divide? How are you going to end this hostility? Unless they themselves change from inside. Until then, the police, army and other security forces need to protect the innocents. No?!