Iran photoshops missile launch

[mercenary2k]

Some people use to say the same about Iran prior to the recent Lebanon/Israel conflict in which one of the Iranian supplied firecracker disabled an Israeli warship. Some people's opinions changed, while some, apparently, remained in denial.

Do you think Iran is incapable of hitting Israeli territory with their missile inventories? Keep in mind Israeli ABM's were never tested against these types of missiles.

That Iranian supplied firecracker was a smuggled Russian Missile which caused damage to the Israeli Ship.

Iran is capable of hitting Israeli territory but is only capable of causing enough damage as Saddam's SCUD's did.

And Israel's punishing counterattack would set Iran on fire.

The only threat that Israel faces is from Hezbollah which on Iran's orders could start attacking Israel.

If that is the case, Israel can purchase a couple of B-52 Bombers and lay waste to Southern Lebanon

[Seminole]

True. And lets not forget iran 'threatening to explode' US navy ships and how that accusation fell flat on its face. To be honest, giving credit where its due an all that bull, lying is one thing america does pretty well and rarely, has she lost crediblity in that respect...she excels every time.

If there was ever a reason dajjal 'the deciever' is associated with america, this my friend, is it.

Accusing others of being liars and evil deceivers, coming from backers of nutjob and the kooky clergy of Iran?

LOL, that's priceless. Particularly in a thread that demonstrates their lying and deceptive ways. You could have waited for a thread on the benevolence of Iran, but wait, there is nothing there to post.

[burqaposhx]

I fail to understand how Iran's industries just suddenly stopped. Please elaborate. Last I checked, Iran was more industrious, developed, and wealthier than Pakistan, except lacked nuclear technology, which it will probably acquire/develop very soon.

Bro! we can argue in favor of Iran's industriousness all day. Just think about the following question.

Iran "imports" gasoline (petrol) from overseas. You know why?

hint hint: Iran cannot fix its own broken down refineries. And there are no Iranian Democrats stopping the construction of new refineries.

............. Sure. I've already seen Western 'brains' in the recent invasion of Iraq. Very intelligent move! And the Israeli war against Lebanon was nothing but a pure example of a war fought with brains.

You don't need time to tell you who is more industrious. Study their economies and you will find your answer.

OK Bro! Let's not get into a circular argument of who is wrong and who is right.

Here is a little test for you. Hopefully you can answer it without getting emotional.

1. Israel made mistakes in Lebanon.
   -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (Israel or Lebanon?)
   -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (Israel or Lebanon?)
   -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed?
   -----Who lost more people in the war?

2. USA made mistakes in Iraq.
   -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (USA or Iraq?)
   -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (USA or Iraq?)
   -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed?
   -----Who lost more people in the war?

BTW people who make the bigger mistakes usually suffer the most.

Think about these, then sit down and read the following lines.

If you care about Lebanese, or Iraqi people, you would have asked them "before the war" to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

If you care about Iranian people, though shalt ask them "before the war" to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

It is easy to make empty slogans in favor of someone else's war and strife. It is very difficult to tell them to avoid death and destruction.

Sadly Pakistani intellectuals are giving bad advice to their own governments and to others in the region. When lives are at stake, emotions should be kept cool.

Post Script

People who claim that some grand-iose Iranian history automatically makes them strong are gravely mistaken. Darius the Great of Iran was leading a different people in different times. People will laugh at you if you equate Ayatullahs or Ahmadenejat to Darius the great.

You think modern day Egyptians would be considered industreous just because a different people and different race constructed pyramids in the area now ruled by Hosni?

This is like you would claim to be a heart surgeon just because your dada jaan (grandfather) was the top surgeon of Lahore.

If you want to be treated as a heart surgeon, then you have to do your schooling, and your own training preferably from the Western countries (UK, US etc). Only then you will get that status of surgeon.

The same way modern day nations have to do their own work. In fact most of the time a modern nation makes a mistake when it talks too much of their grand history. Look at Afghanistan for near to home example.

I hope you understand this and not consider a slight on your ownself.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

That Iranian supplied firecracker was a smuggled Russian Missile which caused damage to the Israeli Ship.

That Iranian supplied firecracker was a license built copy of a Chinese cruisemissile C-700/800 class. It ripped the Israeli warship apart, forcing the ship to retire.

Iran is capable of hitting Israeli territory but is only capable of causing enough damage as Saddam's SCUD's did.

How do you know? Iran does not use Scuds. You are just generalizing.

And Israel's punishing counterattack would set Iran on fire.

You are just as brainwashed as the average Amreekan; Muslims are evil & inferior to non-Muslims; Muslim countries can never be stronger than anybody. You are just extreme in your jew-loving arrogance.

Compare the size of Iran to Israel, as I stated previously, and you may realize that it will take only a handful of saturated attacks on Israel to wipe it off the map. Its not the same for Iran.

The only threat that Israel faces is from Hezbollah which on Iran's orders could start attacking Israel.

If that is the case, Israel can purchase a couple of B-52 Bombers and lay waste to Southern Lebanon

Why did Israel not use this strategy in the recent war against Lebanon?

Bro! we can argue in favor of Iran's industriousness all day. Just think about the following question.

Iran "imports" gasoline (petrol) from overseas. You know why?

hint hint: Iran cannot fix its own broken down refineries. And there are no Iranian Democrats stopping the construction of new refineries.

The question you asked is of little or no relevance to industriousness. Iranian refineries need structural upgrades, EOR, etc, and it lacks technology because the EU & N.A have placed sanctions upon it. Technologically, Iran is not up to date but is catching up very fast. Your question was more pertinent to technology rather than industriousness.

You did not tell us how much gasoline (petrol) Iran imports? For FY06, Iran's refinery capacity was 1.5 bbl/d, while the consumptions for the same period stood at 1.6 bbl/d, which means that it imported only 0.1 bbl/d. You also did not tell us about the NIOC refinery projects.

You've chosen a very illogical example for your argument.

OK Bro! Let's not get into a circular argument of who is wrong and who is right.

Here is a little test for you. Hopefully you can answer it without getting emotional.

1. Israel made mistakes in Lebanon. -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (Israel or Lebanon?) -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (Israel or Lebanon?) -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed? -----Who lost more people in the war?

2. USA made mistakes in Iraq. -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (USA or Iraq?) -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (Israel or Lebanon?) -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed? -----Who lost more people in the war?

1. Lebanon, Lebanon, Lebanon, Lebanon
   Israel invaded Lebanon to eradicate Hezbollah, and failed miserably. Lebanon is not at fault, because it is a known fact that Israeli military deliberately targets Arab civilians in the region. Now answer your own questions and tell us how all that destruction is pertinent to eradicating Hezbollah? Israel targetted Lebanese civilians, and killed only a few Hezbollah members.

2. -Iraq, Iraq, Iraq, Iraq
   US invaded Iraq to control the energy outflows. The key objectives were to: topple Saddam (which they did); control energy outflow (which they failed miserably); and leave the scene without any problems (another failure). It was not a mistake on part of Iraq that US forced its way in to seize the oil, and in the process brought destruction to the land. Now answer your own questions and ask yourself if Iraq really has been 'liberated'. Iraqis lived a far better life under the dictator Saddam, than what the current gov't & USA has brought upon them.

BTW people who make the bigger mistakes usually suffer the most.

Think about these, then sit down and read the following lines.

If you care about Lebanese, or Iraqi people, **you would have asked them "before the war" to beg and plead for forgiveness **and avoid war at all cost.

Beg and plead forgiveness for what? **What did the Iraqi people do that the West had to come in and destroy their lives? **Why must every Muslim country bow down to the White man and do as he says? What did the Lebanese people do? Beg forgiveness for what? For resisting against an illegal Terrorist State? You are pathetic! Grow some balls.

If you care about Iranian people, you would asked them "before the war" to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

What did the Iranians do that they have to beg for forgiveness? Why don't the Israelis beg for forgiveness for illegally settling in another country?

It is easy to make empty slogans in favor of someone else's war and strife. It is very difficult to tell them to avoid death and destruction.

It is easy to give up & surrender instead of fighting for your rights. As Muslims, we are ordered by Allah to fight the oppressors.

Post Script

People who claim that some grand-iose Iranian history automatically makes them strong are gravely mistaken. Darius the Great of Iran was leading a different people in different times. People will laugh at you if you equate Ayatullahs or Ahmadenejat to Darius the great.

No one is equating anyone to anybody. How different were the people of past times to the modern times? Do you know the local Iranian demographical statistics? It appears as though that majority of present day Iranian are of Persian descent (meaning that their lineage has been descending since ancient times), followed by Azeris (who also lived in the same region since ancient times). So, yes, they are most likely to share the same characteristics & traits.

You think modern day Egyptians would be considered industreous just because a different people and different race constructed pyramids in the area now ruled by Hosni?

Pyramids were built by foreign slaves, not local Egyptians. There was nothing industrious about it - it was forced labor. Industriousness is calculated by measuring the productivity & efficiency. Do you know the economic equation for productivity & efficiency? Go ahead Google it, input the 10,000 or so slaves that built the Pyramids, the amount of time taken, and the rest of the variables, then come here and enlighten us about why you call that industrious.
Egyptians were never an industrious people, whether it be modern day Egyptians or from ancient times.

These traits are passed down genetically, from generation to generation. Why do you think that majority of the (physically) hard-working athletes in USA are black people? Why do most of the black men in USA look so big & strong/naturally built? Its because they were slaves for centuries - it was a genetic trait passed down generation to generation that enabled them to be stronger, to do hard physical labour. Go study the osteology of African Americans in comparison with non-African Americans, and see the results for yourself. Black Americans have wider bone structures.

This is like you would claim to be a heart surgeon just because your dada jaan (grandfather) was the top surgeon of Lahore.

If you want to be treated as a heart surgeon, then you have to do your schooling, and your own training preferably from the Western countries (UK, US etc). Only then you will get that status of surgeon.

The same way modern day nations have to do their own work. In fact most of the time a modern nation makes a mistake when it talks too much of their grand history. Look at Afghanistan for near to home example.

I hope you understand this and not consider a slight on your ownself.

Get your facts straight first buddy!

[Shogun_Ninjuku]

@burqaposhx

Bro! we can argue in favor of Iran’s industriousness all day. Just think about the following question.

Iran “imports” gasoline (petrol) from overseas. You know why?

hint hint: Iran cannot fix its own broken down refineries. And there are no Iranian Democrats stopping the construction of new refineries.

OK Bro! Let’s not get into a circular argument of who is wrong and who is right.

Here is a little test for you. Hopefully you can answer it without getting emotional.

1. Israel made mistakes in Lebanon.
   -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (Israel or Lebanon?)
   -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (Israel or Lebanon?)
   -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed?
   -----Who lost more people in the war?

2. USA made mistakes in Iraq.
   -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (USA or Iraq?)
   -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (USA or Iraq?)
   -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed?
   -----Who lost more people in the war?

BTW people who make the bigger mistakes usually suffer the most.

Think about these, then sit down and read the following lines.

If you care about Lebanese, or Iraqi people, you would have asked them “before the war” to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

If you care about Iranian people, though shalt ask them “before the war” to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

It is easy to make empty slogans in favor of someone else’s war and strife. It is very difficult to tell them to avoid death and destruction.

Sadly Pakistani intellectuals are giving bad advice to their own governments and to others in the region. When lives are at stake, emotions should be kept cool.

Post Script

People who claim that some grand-iose Iranian history automatically makes them strong are gravely mistaken. Darius the Great of Iran was leading a different people in different times. People will laugh at you if you equate Ayatullahs or Ahmadenejat to Darius the great.

You think modern day Egyptians would be considered industreous just because a different people and different race constructed pyramids in the area now ruled by Hosni?

This is like you would claim to be a heart surgeon just because your dada jaan (grandfather) was the top surgeon of Lahore.

If you want to be treated as a heart surgeon, then you have to do your schooling, and your own training preferably from the Western countries (UK, US etc). Only then you will get that status of surgeon.

The same way modern day nations have to do their own work. In fact most of the time a modern nation makes a mistake when it talks too much of their grand history. Look at Afghanistan for near to home example.

I hope you understand this and not consider a slight on your ownself.

unbelievably well written post

[Ma_Mooli]

Accusing others of being liars and evil deceivers, coming from backers of nutjob and the kooky clergy of Iran?

LOL, that's priceless. Particularly in a thread that demonstrates their lying and deceptive ways. You could have waited for a thread on the benevolence of Iran, but wait, there is nothing there to post.

nutjob and kooky? not sure what youre on about there, but it doesnt like anything i endorse.

The point is, thier 'deceptive' way are being 'exposed' by those who have a reputation when it comes to deception. By now, america's middle naem is 'deception'. And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf...

and benevolence of iran...? sod the thread mate... i'll write a whole book.

[Ma_Mooli]

Bro! we can argue in favor of Iran's industriousness all day. Just think about the following question.

Iran "imports" gasoline (petrol) from overseas. You know why?

hint hint: Iran cannot fix its own broken down refineries. And there are no Iranian Democrats stopping the construction of new refineries.

OK Bro! Let's not get into a circular argument of who is wrong and who is right.

Here is a little test for you. Hopefully you can answer it without getting emotional.

1. Israel made mistakes in Lebanon. -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (Israel or Lebanon?) -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (Israel or Lebanon?) -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed? -----Who lost more people in the war?

2. USA made mistakes in Iraq. -----Then whose cities throughout the country got bombed back into stone age? (USA or Iraq?) -----Who got subjected to ethnic, and religious strife (USA or Iraq?) -----Whose precious infrastructure (roads, bridges, phone network) got destroyed? -----Who lost more people in the war?

BTW people who make the bigger mistakes usually suffer the most.

Think about these, then sit down and read the following lines.

If you care about Lebanese, or Iraqi people, you would have asked them "before the war" to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

If you care about Iranian people, though shalt ask them "before the war" to beg and plead for forgiveness and avoid war at all cost.

It is easy to make empty slogans in favor of someone else's war and strife. It is very difficult to tell them to avoid death and destruction.

Sadly Pakistani intellectuals are giving bad advice to their own governments and to others in the region. When lives are at stake, emotions should be kept cool.

Post Script

People who claim that some grand-iose Iranian history automatically makes them strong are gravely mistaken. Darius the Great of Iran was leading a different people in different times. People will laugh at you if you equate Ayatullahs or Ahmadenejat to Darius the great.

You think modern day Egyptians would be considered industreous just because a different people and different race constructed pyramids in the area now ruled by Hosni?

This is like you would claim to be a heart surgeon just because your dada jaan (grandfather) was the top surgeon of Lahore.

If you want to be treated as a heart surgeon, then you have to do your schooling, and your own training preferably from the Western countries (UK, US etc). Only then you will get that status of surgeon.

The same way modern day nations have to do their own work. In fact most of the time a modern nation makes a mistake when it talks too much of their grand history. Look at Afghanistan for near to home example.

I hope you understand this and not consider a slight on your ownself.

pardon me but....beg an plead? is that all you're offering?

what are you...a slave?

[burqaposhx]

pardon me but....beg an plead? is that all you're offering?

what are you...a slave?

That's exactly what some of the Madina leaders said, when Hudabiya treaty was signed.

MM bro! When lives or on the line, and the nation is not ready for a big confrontation, leaders have to control their ego and sign a less than desired treaties.

It is not a matter of slavery, it is rather a matter of preparedness. If you are prepared to be in big league, then no body will put sanctions on you either. I hope you understand.

It is not the time for emotions.

[Seminole]

nutjob and kooky? not sure what youre on about there, but it doesnt like anything i endorse.

The point is, thier 'deceptive' way are being 'exposed' by those who have a reputation when it comes to deception. By now, america's middle naem is 'deception'. And we all know what happened to the boy who cried wolf...

and benevolence of iran...? sod the thread mate... i'll write a whole book.

you endorse an authoritative, apocalyptic government of pompous religious zealots, fascists and liars. don't divert the topic that proves them to be the (not very good) liars by comparing them to the most benevolent and humane super power in the history of the world.

i'll wait for the cliff notes of your book, as i'm sure their good deeds could easily be summed up in a few sentences. your time might be better spent teaching these illiterate bozos how to use photoshop.

[_Lahore_Ka_Cheetah]

That's exactly what some of the Madina leaders said, when Hudabiya treaty was signed.

MM bro! When lives or on the line, and the nation is not ready for a big confrontation, leaders have to control their ego and sign a less than desired treaties.

It is not a matter of slavery, it is rather a matter of preparedness. If you are prepared to be in big league, then no body will put sanctions on you either. I hope you understand.

It is not the time for emotions.

So.. what you are saying is.. instead of resisting, everyone should just give up because they are inferior? Thats the kind of thinking one needs to stay lost within the game forever.

By the way, why did you ignore all the questions I asked in my previous post & come back to the same argument?

[Ma_Mooli]

@Seminole

you endorse an authoritative, apocalyptic government of pompous religious zealots, fascists and liars.

No. what are you on about? ive never dreamed of supporting bush and cronies…ever! do not…insult!

don’t divert the topic that proves them to be the (not very good) liars by comparing them to the most benevolent and humane super power in the history of the world.

no comment…'cept maybe only the gulllible would listen to the boy who cries wolf. Everyone else would just walk away…or laugh…or both even.

i’ll wait for the cliff notes of your book, as i’m sure their good deeds could easily be summed up in a few sentences. your time might be better spent teaching these illiterate bozos how to use photoshop.

obviously anything can be summed up in a few sentences. but that would be a great injustice to the iranian nation and im not prepared to do that.

and as for photoshop, hmm perhaps they should learn from the top dogs..im sure they could teach 'em a thing or two…in deception.

[Ma_Mooli]

That's exactly what some of the Madina leaders said, when Hudabiya treaty was signed.

and...?

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MM bro! When lives or on the line, and the nation is not ready for a big confrontation, leaders have to control their ego and sign a less than desired treaties.
[/quote]

signing a treaty does not constitute pleading and begging. it constitutes a protection of interest on both sides; on equal terms....and that is just not happening.

Anything less is a death warrent...and a chance for others to use and abuse you.

[quote]
It is not a matter of slavery, it is rather a matter of preparedness. If you are prepared to be in big league, then no body will put sanctions on you either. I hope you understand.

It is not the time for emotions.
[/quote]

Lemme know when you get a muslims or developing country in the 'big league'.

How far has the house of saud got with its oil and treaties? God knows Turkey's tried so hard and they still crap on it. That's just what turkey deserves but at the end of the day, no matter low you go, its just not happening. Why cant anyone see that?

Besides, sanction on a country has always made them less dependent on major powers, and more stronger and indendepent in the long run. This has always been true for Iran.

Now compare them to the house of saud, who cannot nod thier heads without strings being pulled in the white house. That is the difference between slavery and self respect my friend. you dont just sell your soul to the devil.