The King of Egpyt if i remember correctly.
Well said. :k:
The A-raabs care only for their butts and they should.
Pakistanis must care only for the interests of Pakistan. HT and the Khilafah propagandizers be damned.
As much as I hate what Iran and Libya did to Pakistan, I can’t fail to realize that what goes around comes around. Pakistan sold the Taliban (Muslim brothers), Iran and Libya sold Pakistan (Muslim brothers). Pakistan first, of course, the same way Iran first, Libya first. In fact Pakistan sold out on the very people that liberated Azad Kashmir, heck they are preparing to wage a full scale war on the same people in the near future.
I don’t know if you guys realize it or not, but I think the worst is yet to come.
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*Originally posted by Ibn Sadique: *
Ummah bashers please note that Ummah means the Ummah of Muhammad (saw). If you do not want to be part of it just jump off and declare that you have nothing to do with it.
Those who put nationalism before Ummah better read the two Hadiths quoted below:
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It is a so-called Ummah because it only exists in the figment of imagination of some. The reality of geopolitics has shown us that every country, whether Muslim or not, has always put it's interests before religion.
Those who preach the hadiths, should go to the Iranian and Libyan message boards before telling Pakistanis a thing or two about nationalism. Remember that Pakistan stands alone...no worries, as we can more than take care of the external AND internal agressors.
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
As much as I hate what Iran and Libya did to Pakistan, I can’t fail to realize that what goes around comes around. Pakistan sold the Taliban (Muslim brothers), Iran and Libya sold Pakistan (Muslim brothers). Pakistan first, of course, the same way Iran first, Libya first. In fact Pakistan sold out on the very people that liberated Azad Kashmir, heck they are preparing to wage a full scale war on the same people in the near future.
I don’t know if you guys realize it or not, but I think the worst is yet to come.
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Sultan, to be fair Pakistan did attempt to convince the Taliban to give up Osama. I know that the Taliban could not give up their guest (a principled stand), but would you rather have has Afghanistan and Pakistan bombed and occupied? Would you then be praising the Pakistanis, while we would all be under foriegn occupation?
I don't think that making implicit remarks related to Pashtun involvement in '48 cannot be fairly correlated to the present. The taliban had limited (if even that ) connection to the attacks in the US, if they only had played their cards right, they would be in power right now. Sure their not cowards, but then again they are the ones hiding from the occupying US forces.
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It is a so-called Ummah because it only exists in the figment of imagination of some.
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This Ummah was established by Prophet Muhammad (saw) and you couldn't care less. Well, I can see that you were never part of it, so how could you jump out.
As Sultan Suri just said earlier, authorities in Iran and Libya have the same mind-set as that of Pakistan-first type ones.
Pakistan too has some back stabbing performances under it's belt.
Slaughtering of Palestinians on 'Black September'
Biharis (It's own very nationals) stuck in camps in Bangladesh.
Don't blame the Ummah for the sins of the few.
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*Originally posted by Malik73: *
Please tender your advice and quote verses to the backstabbers in Libya, Iran and other places, then come talk to us.
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Very true... What have we done wrong for the ummah? Did we get Iran and Libya into trouble? No, we GOT trouble because of them.
you are absolutely right.
so my question, how much this will effect the Pakistan relations with the rest of Ummah countries?
bad or good?
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The King of Egpyt if i remember correctly.
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Thanks CM, just to get the record straight, by the same token there also some Pakis who are more americans thn americans... If these two could nutralize each other the rest can move on...
Well we need to get rid of whoever would not put pakistan first. That includes those who move to the US and suddenly are american. Your nation is your nation.
Like the elders have always said. No matter where you are in the west if you aint white you will always be a second class citizen.
As for our relations. Its time they suffered our wrath. You dont betray us without consequences. Its time they knew what it meant to mess with pakistan.
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Well we need to get rid of whoever would not put pakistan first. That includes those who move to the US and suddenly are american. Your nation is your nation.
Like the elders have always said. No matter where you are in the west if you aint white you will always be a second class citizen.
As for our relations. Its time they suffered our wrath. You dont betray us without consequences. Its time they knew what it meant to mess with pakistan.
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I don't think we have the means to unleash our wrath, the best option is to put this behind us and move forward.
But make no mistake about Iran those SOBs now have the knowledge to go nuclear which is a good thing there will be peace in the region. Since they don't need Pak any more they stabbed us in the back.
You are saying we cant kill some bloody iranis in iran? What happened to the demon ISI? We gotta have some black ops units....i want blood...
Just tell ISI to kill some more shias in Pakistan and lets call it a day. All shias are Iranian agents anyway.
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Just tell ISI to kill some more shias in Pakistan and lets call it a day. All shias are Iranian agents anyway.
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I see you are also a victim of the hatred people are raised with.
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Just tell ISI to kill some more shias in Pakistan and lets call it a day. All shias are Iranian agents anyway.
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Your attempts at sarcasm not withstanding, many of the Ranking members in ISI have been and still are shias. Have a look at Brig(R) Salahuddin Tirmizi's book.
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You are saying we cant kill some bloody iranis in iran? What happened to the demon ISI? We gotta have some black ops units....i want blood...
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Yeah, our ISI is quite capable of that, whether they would do that is another issue. They are prepared for India, so Iran is like a little bug to them, ready to be squashed.
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Yeah, our ISI is quite capable of that, whether they would do that is another issue. They are prepared for India, so Iran is like a little bug to them, ready to be squashed.
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Thos Iranian$#@%@!$@#$ and to think we overhauled thier 30 year old F4s and F14s and kept thier airforce in business...
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This Ummah was established by Prophet Muhammad (saw) and you couldn't care less. Well, I can see that you were never part of it, so how could you jump out.
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Keyword on Ummah is that it WAS established by the Prophet. After the passing of the Prophet and the 4 Caliphs, this Muslim Ummah concept has been nothing but a concept of imagination and wishful thinking. Political backstabbing, moral degenaracy and an unbridled quest for power characterizes the competing Muslim empires. One hopes that you actually do not believe that Afghans and Mughals liked each other, or that even the golden age of Islam in Spain, saw the many Muslim principalities allied with Christians against each other. A history book that has not been biased by a wishful Muslim perspective will show you the reality. Furthermore, don't tell Pakistanis about the concept of brotherhood when we have more than a few Muslim countries that have disregarded it. I have said before, that if the many Arab nations -- who not only share religion but also race, language and customs cannot unite, who gave you jihadists the right to call for a change in Pakistan? Why don't you go preaching to the Arabs, who will promptly put you in your place by calling you the Rafiq that all Pakistanis are. Or go to the Iranians who hold their Aryan blood sacred, and tell them your plans, only to be reminded of your "Hindu" blood.
The reason you all like to preach to Pakistanis is that we actually have a weak spot for Islam and we do CARE. If we didn't, why would we give the nuke tech info to Liya or Iran? Most Pakistanis being Muslims have suffered immensely (including this latest round of shame) because of our (at times, irrational) support of Muslim countries.
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As Sultan Suri just said earlier, authorities in Iran and Libya have the same mind-set as that of Pakistan-first type ones.
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Wah! What a comparison. The so called "Muslim" states of Iran & Libya sell us down the river while the Kaafir North Koreans are still protecting our back. If that is the case why doesn't North Korea come with the same mindset? Hopefully Iran & Libya will be screwed royally after after giving up the nuke plans.
Pakistan too has some back stabbing performances under it's belt.
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Slaughtering of Palestinians on 'Black September'
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Yes, those "innocent" Palestinians were only trying to revolt and throw out the King of Jordan. They were certainly the best guests to have right? If we are all Muslim Bhai-Bhai, why did the Palestinians try to displace the King of Jordan, at whose behest we had to become involved.
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Biharis (It's own very nationals) stuck in camps in Bangladesh.
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Biharis have been resettled in Pakistan in every governments time with
exception of BB's regime. If a certain province feels that they dont want the Biharis then certainly NWFP & Punjab have always been willing to absorb them. On moral, ethical grounds they should all be in Pakistan, just get the Sindhi nationalists agree as well.
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We are not blaming the entire Ummah. I wouldn't dream of treating my Iranian friends any differently on a personal level, but if it comes to standing up for Pakistan, there is NO one who can stop me.
Mufakkar yara, who cares about the past. The way I see it the US is on both sides of Iran, Isreal is ready to take them out and the fundo government is seriously cracking. Sure we may have been stabbed, but our wounds will heal, too bad we the Iraniabs can’t reclaim their dignity. So much for their nuke program 
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