Interracial marriage - would/did you do it?

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SPOILER if you are hurt over the truth look away NOW. Real talk:

Of course two Pakistani [wo]men would like and approve that reply (and frankly I can see guys doing the same). They are so stupid and begerat they can’t see their own faults. Keep in mind that most Arabs are huge racists. I’m guessing since you’re from Chi the guy she married was Palestinian? Go show me Arabs who allow their daughters to marry Pakistani men, Somali men? For Arabs there is white->Arab and then everything below. They straight up call black people 'abeed casually which means slave.

Two of my friends, one a Pakistani from Karachi and one from Hyderabadi Indian roots, both born in the US in the Midwest and raised there, one a doctor one a corporate lawyer. Good looking athletic, good MUslims (no premarital relationships). ONe asked the father while in Umra (Palestinian gir’s father works in Jedda) for his daughter’s hand in marriage, another asked for the Syrian sisters’ brother’s hand in marriage in Chicago. The one in Jeddah gave him a cold response through his son who knew the Pakistani American and not knowing this kid knew ARabic (thu alek) literally spitting on him. The Syrian American’s brother straight up told the Hyderabadi dude if he ever spoke with his sister again, after grabbing his shirt, that he would hurt him.

he odd thing was that in both cases the brothers mentioned not only married out of their race, the married whtie non-Muslim women!

The problem with so many UK and US Pakistanis is they are begerat. They don’t know the kefala system of Saudi Arabia and how discrimination isn’t simply ‘he’s darker or lighter’ in Arab countries it the QANOON, th LAW that Arab men can marry non-Arab non-Muslim women but Arab women cannot even marry non-Arab Muslim men. My neighbor who is an Afghan worked in Saudia for 8 years told me how he cannot even say begerat to Pakistani people because they have no gerat. They give their daughters away while these Arabs would see their women go 40 or in a polygamous relationship before letting a desi or 'abd (their word to refer casually to blacks) marry them.

REmember here in the US we are more educated, economically well off, socially engrained than Arabs who have been here for 5 generations. No point in marrying down or fuelling an Arab man’s ego. Your family should be ashamed. The Arab family got a virgin bride for a guy whose slept around the block with white girls

Another thing Pakistani people amaze me at is PALESTINE. PALESTINE? Since when the hell did Palestine become a Pakistani problem? Pakistan can’t project its power outside its region and its owrrying about Palestine? Tell me after 9/11 how many Arab people had protests against an impending attack on Paksitan? How many UK Pakistanis do you see with Palestine placars at rallies? Now tell me how many Arabs or for that matter desis do you see speak against drone strikes in Pakistan?

Truth is other than fuelling others peoples ego Pakistanis have no respect or sense of identity. I always hear Punjabis say I am Syed, Pathan…well how about the majority of Mohajir and Punjabis? You are from Hindus? Why can’t you say that instead? Wher edid you get your concept or Zaat and Mehndis from? Is zaat and Mehdnis more engarined in culture or is speaking Pashto? So please say you are the descendent of Hindus…not Pathan or something else to cover up your begerati.

Talk about a lack of self-respect and an inferiority complex. You are emasculating a male dominated Arab culture where the man can ‘capture’ and marry a woman of worth but they would never imagine their own sisters stuffed in hijab doing the same

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My enter key doesn't work on this laptop for some reason so please excuse the jumbled post. My sister did marry a Palestinian. The people she married into are actually a really nice family. As far as superiority complex - we have plenty of that among Pakistanis too. To your point about them being racist - that is their problem and not mine. I see plenty of issues in their culture but I don't have to live in it so why should it bother me if they're not letting their women marry into our men? If I come across a racist Arab (or racist anything for that matter), I say let them live in their ignorant bubble because that to me is proper. Being racist is not something you simply inflict on other people - its something you inflict on yourself as well.

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Do Pakistanis legislate their daughters can't marry someone of a darker complexion, a different zaat or class? You seem to be very quick in putting down Pakistanis and Paksitani men. I am not atttacking your decision personally so I hope your not on the defensive, but had I written something like 'black men only bone white'....it would be dismissed as racist?

It's funny most Muslim women I have come across have a perception of Muslim men more aligned with non-Muslim media stereotypes of us than their actual experiences. Disheartening to say the least

The discrimination is unequal we do not legislate it. Israel detains, tortures kills Palestinains. Israelis don't legislate laws forbidding non-Jewish men from marrying Jewish women. That is a big difference. I do think to some extent you emasculate and strengthen such ignorance when you allow your daughters to marry into such cultures. Ask your husband/cousin if he would allow his sister/neice to marry a Pakistani man and I think 9/10 Arabs that I have experienced will have problems with their daughters doing what their sons have. I also tend to notice they are the only Muslim culture I knwo where the man marries non-Muslim women on such a broad stroke. TO me along with the other reasons (ie Palestine is a Pakistani problem) really makes me think Pakistanis have an inferiority compelx to them

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Pakistanis DO tell their daughters to marry only into specific zaats, lighter complexions and better financial status. What Pakistani culture are you aware of where families are not concerned at all with zaat? Also, I am not quick to put down Pakistanis and Pakistani men at all. I am against living in a bubble and considering ourselves farrrr superior because we simply don't commit THIS specific sin. We have manyyyyyyyyyyy issues that need addressing in our culture...anyone that comes here and says Arabs are ignorant and Pakistanis are not...is living under a rock. We have ignorant, dowry demanding Pakistanis alive and breathing today. We have ignorant, racist Arabs also alive and breathing today. I am not on the defensive - I am realistic.

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I don't see anything wrong with interracial marriages. Furthermore I don't think it's easy to generalize and judge a whole group of people as anything, you'll find certain types of people in all races.

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So basically support Arab apartheid which by law says Arab men can sleep with and bed desi women, but Arab women can never marry Arab men?

I find that extremely male chauvinistic

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You missed my point again. I don't deny any of that and I sure as hell am not saying any race is better than another. I often say a white convert who prays is better than a Pakistani guy. My examples of color, skin tone zaat etc were used as exmaples on how Arabs BY LAW legislate such things. That mentality is a mentality in Pakistani society whereas it is A LAW in Arab societies.

It really sickens me that women can emasculate support and marry into such cultures. How can you say discrimination isn't different with the support of the law?

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Really, you need to relax.

Yeah, okay great. Its their law in their little world. So what? Does my religion teach me or them that? No. Arabs can do whatever they want, they cannot change Islam nor can they change the consequences to follow their actions if they really do consider themselves Muslims. Law of the land does not make it law of Islam. Many Muslim countries do NOT have Islamic laws but consider themselves Muslim. Consider yourselves pea-green if you wish, it won't change what Allah mandates.

If by "women" you were referring to my sister...then I have to say...that is beyond the pettiness of a country no one has seen or cares for. They are both Muslim and that's all that matters.

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Women is plural it doens't refer to anyone specific. I don't disagree with any of what you wrote. The only problem I see with your mentality of "I'm Muslim first" is it seems only desis lack self respect to believe that, no other Muslim group believes it

Anyways thanks for the conversation.

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Zetsui, you make some very interesting points including the apparent lack of compassion Arabs show in non-Arab world affairs whereas Pakistanis are first to cry the Muslim brotherhood obligations.

But I must ask: what does the Pakistanis allowing their women to marry non-Pakistanis have to do with bring ghairat or be ghairat? In fact, after reading your insights into the Arab male views and control over their women in general, I couldn't help but feel somewhat proud of the progress we as Pakistanis have made.

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The topic is about inter-racial marriages but you are only showing your hatred for Punjabis and Arabs. This is not a Punjabi or Arab problem.

The acceptability for different race is different for males and females in countries like Iran, India, Turkey and many other countries. In all these cultures men are free to bring women from another race and their families are proud of them and it is seen as shameful when a woman does it.

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Really? Is that the law? In which Arab country? I am sure if that is the law then their are many Arabs who think that is utterly disguising and wrong, you're generalizing again. Arab women do marry Arab men though. I am not too sure as to what your trying to say. Why are we arguing about Arabs, anyway?

The question was about interracial marriages.

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I wish more people were like you . Muslims shouldn't be building hate between each other but being close and building friendships which is what we need right now in a world thats very against islam. One of the feature that makes islam so distinct from other religions is that how muslim countries that have little in common stick together cause of the same religion they share which i think is a beuatiful act :)