interpreting Rumi

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MASHA’ALLAH…aap RUMI ki baatain karengi !!! this is absolutely wonderful…and my compliments ke kiya subject cheirra hai aap ne
which is indeed a grrrreattttt REFERESHER !!

Keep it up! Zobia.

Raju Uncle

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Zobia…,

THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL & SOULFUL
COLLECTION OF
RUMI’S WORK TITLED
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“A TREASURY OF WISDOM”

TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH.

I BROUGHT THIS BOOK LAST YEAR FROM
INDIA OFFICE LIBRARY-LONDON I SPECIALLY
VISITED IN SEARCH OF SOME MANUSCRIPTS
ON GHALIB, RUMI, SAUDA & KHUSRAW;

**

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Re: interpreting Rumi

I would say something ..but .. i dunt want a debate nor cause any trouble .. but .. i believe .. Zobia has posted this thread .. with intentions .. which hareem has clarrified .. and i agree to harems posts ..

and am sure Zobia can clarify also .. what her intention is and what knowledge she posseses about the great Maulana Jalauddin Rumi ..

Just a lil note .. One great Sufi Said : To actually understand the knowledge and concept of of another great personality .. you have to be at that persons integrity and level of understanding to actually critisize or praise ..

but .. because as we know from .. history ..those who Have READ history books .. we find that .. Rumi was one ofIslams greatest Sufi .. and so on this basis .. we can only praise him .. of his works.. and not critisize him because .. we DONOT posses the knowledge he had ..

unless .. someone can claim that they have .. which i can gurantee that no one can :D

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There were pictures of women, No?
Can you please give me a referece for your post's bolded part????

Only True Love which is Love of God.....in Urdu Ishq-e-Haqiqi.

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Here are just a few.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?=/c/a/2007/04/01/INGA7OTN521.DTL
Para 12 (Out of that first ) and Para 13 (Seven centuries later)

Rumi’s Eternal Dance As The Mystical Seeker-Editorial-Opinion-The Times of India
(2nd Para)

Sema - Human Being in the Universal Movement
First 3 Paras.

SUFISM

Rumi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(Whole article is a good read)

btw if you come up with authenticity issues with above references plz do let me know as I can provide you with a lot more.

Yes. And so were there pictures of men (how come you failed to notice the “topless men”?). So what was your point there with picz of women???

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Now this is whats happening in this thread. A great quote by Rumi was posted here. We all started praising his great work and contribution to humanity, its deep meaning and little bit of discussion about influence of his work as a muslim and then someone tries to tell us not to praise him unless we are at same understanding level or some crap and that this someone has alhaam from Allah who the greatest sufi of Islam was. [those who read history, we find that…]

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Though you pretend to be a great fan of Mawlana Rumi and claims to know his biography and understand his poetry but use words like “crap” in your discussion.

Oh and I’m sure you haven’t read the references you gave but I have, and this one is enough to dump your theory of Rumi a man of no religion. Enjoy

Rumi and orthodox Islam

The idea that Rumi cared little for orthodox Islam has been put forward in translations of poems sometimes attributed to him but which are not the work of Rumi. Some writers have even claimed or suggested that Rumi was not really a Muslim, because they believe that the line
na tarsā na yahūdam man na gabram na musalmānam
نه ترسا، نه یهودم من، نه گبرم نه مسلمانم
(not a Christian, nor a Jew I am, not a Zoroastrian, nor a Muslim.)

expresses Rumi’s true attitude toward Islam. However, the poem in which that line occurs is not in the earliest manuscripts, and is probably is not a genuine Rumi poem.citation needed] R.A. Nicholson first published a translation of this line in 1898, but he admitted that, “[t]he original text does not occur in any of the editions or MSS used by me” (p. 281). Futhermore, this should not be interpreted literally, since this is just another form of a central theme in all Rumi’s poetry: the enlightened being who has transcended religions into the complete man.
Rumi’s actual approach to Islam is clarified by his quatrain:
Man banda-ye qur’ānam, agar jān dāram
man khāk-e rah-e muhammad-e mukhtāram
gar naql konad joz īn kas az goftāram
bēzāram azō waz-īn sokhan bēzāram.

,

I am the servant of the Qur’an as long as I have life.
I am the dust on the path of Muhammad, the Chosen One.
If anyone quotes anything except this from my sayings,
I am quit of him and outraged by these words.[45]](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jalal_ad-Din_Muhammad_Rumi#cite_note-44)

Seyyed Hossein Nasr states:
One of the greatest living authorities on Rûmî in Persia today, Hâdî Hâ’irî, has shown in an unpublished work that some 6,000 verses of the Dîwân and the Mathnawî are practically direct translations of Qur’ânic verses into Persian poetry.[46]](Rumi - Wikipedia)
Rumi states in his Dīwān:
The Sufi is hanging on to Muhammad, like Abu Bakr.[47]](Rumi - Wikipedia)
Make your intellect a sacrifice in the presence of Muhammad, and say, "God is sufficient for me, since God is enough for satisfying me.[48]](Rumi - Wikipedia)

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Rumi's music and dance is not like today's dance and music......it's not even dance, and i believe it's whirling.

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@ hareem01

seems like you took the bolded part too strongly since you have put all your effort to prove that wrong. I must admit that that was a poor choice of words on my side.

see there is no question about Rumi’s greatness and I think we are saying the same thing but differently. Now read the underlined part in that same post. I wanted to draw a fine line there between the so called religious scholars and these Great sufis. Those “scholars/Mullahs” have a very narrow-minded view of non-muslims and they even divide muslims to so many sects (sunnis, shias, brelvis, wahabis bla bla bla) there is no peace in their world, everything has to be the way they want it because they are on the right path. On the other hand these sufis unite us all human beings as one, having one purpose in this world and all (Tawheed, higher consciousness, eternal love etc).

Thats all I wanted to say there. Now the popular way is to have that scholarly/Mullah’s Islam and at the same time looking at sufism with drunk eyes like “He was the greatest sufi of all time yeah thats so good but we cant have it, sufis are sent from God for a special purpose we cant be like them”. For me I like that line between mullahs and sufis. you can choose, tag or mix them but for me its a difference between destruction and Peace. And I think this has been the point of this whole discussion.

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Excellant work Zobia!

InToXiCaTeD romi's work was translated in english?? wow
next time you have that kind of information, you might want to open up a new thread.
Thanks for information.

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^^^
Wikipedia
Youtube
Google

A lot of good stuff there about Rumi :k:

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but i had forgotten about rumi, till i see this thread.
The info you can help ppl like my self a lot who admire him, but dont have much exposure to his work.

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