Who said anything about India giving them shelter? They are hiding in India…Thats a pretty porous border out there…
Dont make me bring in comparisons that will touch raw nervees at your end. I dont even have to search hard for these examples.
Let me quote from the article
"India is also a member of Interpol and, like Nepal, has branded the Maoist rebels as terrorists.
The Central Bureau of Investigation said India had no reports that Nepali Maoist leaders had taken shelter in the country.
But a spokesman told the BBC India would honour its Interpol commitments regarding the warrants. "
How come there is no coment on this? Also there is no follow up on this at all. If Malik was really concerned about this issue, he would have dug up some more dirt..Well the point is that is Malik is a bit overzealous.
Based on one report on BBC, stating that nepalese rebels are in hiding in India, he has accused India of sheltering and abetting the Maosit rebels and you dont see the India bashing?
See guys, you want to do some India bashing at least find some decent issues, there are plenty of them out there, just dont act petty you are only demeaning yourselves…
Exactly. Apart from Nepali terrorists hiding in India (which the Indian government can somehow not locate), we have had Indian’s admitting that there have been various levels of support to the LTTE terrorists, and leading Indian politicians and ministers openly voicing support for these people. Now they must be Indian-bashing as well?
Exactly. Apart from Nepali terrorists hiding in India (which the Indian government can somehow not locate), we have had Indian's admitting that there have been various levels of support to the LTTE terrorists, and leading Indian politicians and ministers openly voicing support for these people. Now they must be Indian-bashing as well? :D
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What about the Indian support to the Sri Lankan Govt? The IPKF? Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated for exactly that.
Malik how conveniently you ignore the facts.
Fact 1# One senior politician has been jailed for openly supporting LTTE.
Fact2# India sent army to Sri Lanka to fight the LTTE
Fact 3# Rajiv Gandhi was assasinated by the LTTE
Fact 4# India currently does not involve itself in the Sri Lankan issue.
Fact 5# Shiv Sena etc, are accepted as extremists, and now you take their stand to bethe official Indian one?
The point is I doubt you would even acknowledge that your assessment may not have been 100% right.
Now if you were to actually to do some research on this issue, then I would have treated your posts with some respect.../
Obviously there will be supporters for LTTE especially from Tamil Nadu, they are also Tamil....how is it possible to tell all citizens to toe the official line..This is a democracy after all..
Exactly. Apart from Nepali terrorists hiding in India (which the Indian government can somehow not locate), we have had Indian's admitting that there have been various levels of support to the LTTE terrorists, and leading Indian politicians and ministers openly voicing support for these people. Now they must be Indian-bashing as well? :D
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There are many examples world over for terrorists the government of the country tey are hiding in cant locate...
So does this mean that the government is sheltering them in all cases?
While another senior politician (George Fernandes) has become, and contiunes to serve as one of the leading cabinet ministers in the Indian government. Let’s not forget Bal Thackeray as well, another open LTTE supporter who is partner in chief to Vajpayee, and has been awarded cabinet seats as well. If you cannot even get get your "Fact 1 " straight, then what can I say?
Malik Bhai, since you refuse to provide your sources, I have done your research for you…Here are quotes from Bal Thakeray providing his support to the LTTE. He has explained his logic. Now tell me why you find it offensive or wrong for him to have such an opinion…
“Remember how Indira Gandhi armed the LTTE, supported them in their war against the Sri Lankan government. After all, they were Tamilians fighting for their own homeland against a repressive regime. But suddenly Rajiv Gandhi came to power and overnight, without any provocation, changed India’s stand. So the LTTE found that India had not only backed out of supporting them, despite an existing understanding and agreement, but, what is worse, had decided to send its troops to massacre them in a joint operation with the Sri Lankan government. What business was it of India to intervene in this battle and support a foreign government to kill these people of Indian origin fighting for their rights?”
Quote from Interview with Bal Thakeray.
Thackeray backs LTTE, wants ban lifted
Shiv Sena chief Bal Thackeray today reiterated his party’s support to the cause of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam and said the ban on the outlawed organisation in India should be lifted.
Talking to UNI after a meeting with MDMK leader V Gopalswamy alias Vaiko at his residence Matoshri at Bandra in north-west Bombay late on Tuesday night, Thackeray endorsed the stand of the National Democratic Alliance government, of which his party is also a constituent member, of refusing military intervention in strife-torn Sri Lanka.
‘‘The LTTE are our own people and there is no need to send our army to Lanka to fight them. Let Sri Lanka handle its own internal matter. India’s intervention would go against Nehru’s Panchsheel declaration of not interfering in the internal matters of another sovereign country,’’ Thackeray said. ‘‘Rajiv Gandhi committed that ‘foolishness’ and had to pay with his life.’’
Vaiko gave him details of the LTTE’s rise and its cause and the Shiv Sena totally supports it, Thackeray added.
Vaiko had raised the issue of a separate ‘Eelam’ and spoken on lifting the ban on the LTTE at the recent Tamil Mahasangh conference in Geneva. Similarly, Thackeray had openly come out in support of the LTTE a few years ago, creating a storm.
OH yes and George Fernandes
"Controversy hit Mr Fernandes early in his ministerial tenure when he held a convention of organisations supporting Sri Lanka’s Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) on the lawns of his official residence.
Aung San Suu Kyi supporter
Mr Fernandes openly supported the LTTE’s struggle for a separate state in northern Sri Lanka.
He is also a high-profile supporter of the Burma pro-democracy movement, displaying a wall-size picture of Aung San Suu Kyi in his official bungalow, where Burmese underground leaders are frequent visitors. "
I put in the Burma bit to help you understand that for George the LTTE is not an isolated issue and if you care to find out you would understand why supports LTTE. Also you will realise that he has taken flak even from teh PM forthe same support.
Why cant these gentlemen have their opinion. More importantly, why is it that you can only find a few high profile leaders supporting the LTTE…because a majority of them dont. This is why the LTTE is still banned.
Now for rebuttal
Please tell me when was Bal Thakeray given a cabinet post?
Do you have any idea of the current relationship between the Shiv Sena and teh BJP? Kindly do some research on this.
My Fact 1# One prominent politician has been jailed…
Please follow the quote below.. If you dont know who Vaiko is you shouldnt be talking about LTTE support from India in the first place…
"TN police arrests MDMK leader Vaiko
N Sathiya Moorthy in Chennai
Marumalarchi Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam general secretary Vaiko became the first member of Parliament and chief of a registered political party in the country to be detained under the Prevention of Terrorism Act when he was arrested on his arrival at the Chennai airport on Thursday evening.
The Tamil Nadu police arrested Vaiko for his pro-Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam speeches.
He had arrived from the US via Mumbai.
The MDMK’s two ministers of state at the Centre, M Kannappan and N Ramachandran, who had met Vaiko at the Mumbai airport early on Thursday, received him in Chennai.
The police kept the media and the MDMK cadres at bay. His wife and son were allowed to receive him and so were the party ministers.
Other members of the family, including his sister, were outside the airport to see him.
A special police team from Thirumangalam in Madurai district, where Vaiko had made the pro-LTTE speech on June 29, was on hand to arrest him.
They were carrying a non-bailable arrest warrant issued on Tuesday night by Thirumangalam Judicial First Class Magistrate S Venkatachalapathy, who later went on leave.
He was presented with the arrest warrant at the VIP lounge.
After his arrest, the 27-member team from Madurai, headed by Superintendent of Police Manish Tiwari, took Vaiko to Thirumangalam in a van.
It would take around 10 hours to reach Thirumangalam, where Vaiko would be produced before Vanitha, Seventh Judicial Magistrate, Madurai.
Under the Criminal Procedure Code, every arrested person needs to be produced before a judicial magistrate within 24 hours.
Talking to newsmen while being lead away, Vaiko reiterated his appeal to party workers to observe calm.
He referred to the violence after Jayalalithaa’s conviction by a Chennai special court, leading to the ‘bus-burning incident’ in Dharmapuri. Three female students of the Tamil Nadu Agriculture University, Coimbatore, were charred to death in the incident, he recalled.
Vaiko dubbed the detention as ‘political vendetta’ and yet another attempt to muzzle the political opposition.
The police also cracked down on MDMK cadres across the state to prevent them from agitating against the arrest of their leader.
At the airport, check-posts were erected to prevent MDMK cadres and others from arriving.
According to reports, around 3000 MDMK cadres, including party presidium chairman L Ganesan, were arrested.
No untoward incident was reported from anywhere, nor was there tension on the streets of Chennai.
Earlier in the day, Chief Minister J Jayalalithaa chaired a meeting attended, among others, by Chief Secretary Sugavaneswaran and Director-General of Police, B P Nailwal.
The meeting, the second since Wednesday, reportedly reviewed the law and order situation. At one stage, the government also considered the possibility of detaining Vaiko either at Mumbai or at his Annanagar home in Chennai.
A member of the Lok Sabha from Sivakasi constituency, Vaiko is a voter in Monday’s presidential election. He will also have to attend the Monsoon Session of Parliament.
While the legal provisions are unclear, sources refer to the late Kalpnath Rai being allowed to attend Parliament under police security after being detained under the Terrorism and Disruptive Activities (Prevention) Act. "
Now my dear friend this happened in Tamil Nadu, the frontline state for LTTE support. Now repeat after me, The Indian govt does not have a policy of supporting the LTTE…
Repeat after me…I will not make baseless accustaions. I will always check my facts before I post.
Also please respond to my earlier question directly posted to you.
You owe me half an hour of internet time, three extra strong black coffees and one decent well researched post.
You shouldn’t have wasted your time, if you were going to post link after link from the greatest Indian propoganda site of them all - Rediff. :rolleyes: Try again.
But I see that you have not denied that George Fernandes - a very senior Indian cabinet minister, and Vajpayee’s coalition partner Bal Thackeray are open supporters of “their people” i.e. the LTTE terrorists.
Btw, when I mentioned Thackeray and ministerial positions, I meant his party, the Shiv Sena. Do you deny they have been awarderd seats in the Indian cabinet?
Here is something I posted earlier in the thread, in case you missed it…
The recently published book Assignment Colombo by J N Dixit, the former Foreign Secretary and the then High Commissioner in Sri Lanka, is replete with instances of active contact maintained by agencies of the governments of India and Tamil Nadu with the LTTE, even after the commencement of `Operation Pawan’ by the IPKF. Dixit is explicit in stating that, but for the armed forces, no other Indian agency conducted itself with honour and integrity during the entire involvement with the Sri Lankan Tamil problem.](http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19971113/31750493.html)
Yes India meddled with Sri Lankan issues, learnt its lesson and moved on...That is the key, admitting that there has been a mistake and moving on...
Now you owe me some answers,
Why do you find Bal Thakeray's personal opinion wrong?
So what if the interview is on rediff? Substance over form...There are also links from BBC.
Have you heard of Vaiko? Take it from me, even though the link is for a rediff news item, you are going to find the same thing in any Indian paper BECAUSE IT IS THE TRUTH.
Have you read up on George Fernandes? Is he is he not entitled to his opinion.
Now read the news articles and then tell me if your accusations of continued Indian meddling in Sri Lanka are justified.
Dude, before you make coments on Indian state politics, I really recomend you do a bit of research, or else stay out of such topics...
You owe me some answers to my earlier question.
"There are many examples world over for terrorists the government of the country they are hiding in cant locate...
So does this mean that the government is sheltering them in all cases?"
And about me replying to your posts, dont worry dude, everytime you post arbid statements and comments, I WILL BE THERE.....
Good, you admit that India helped the LTTE terrorists in their war against the Sri Lankan state - that is what I have been saying all along. Now instead of posting propoganda articles from Rediff (whom nobody really takes seriously on this site)…take a read of the following.
“I state that the Congress Governments under the Prime Ministership of late Smt. Indira Gandhi and late Thiru Rajiv Gandhi encouraged, trained and supported the LTTE and other Tamil Militant groups.”
As to your last question. We all know there is widespread anti-Indian sentiment in Nepal, and this must partly come from a belief that India allows sanctuary to Nepali terrorists, which even INTERPOL are saying are in India.
What do tou mean you dont take redif seriously? I can understand it when you dont take an editorial or an opinion seriously but when you take a news article that is the same in all newspapers, what is your problem? Have you heard of “Substance over form?”
So you are telling me that if I give you a link to the Jain Commission report from rediff. stating the same things, you will not believe it?
So you are telling me that you have not read the articles?
Anyway since you difficulty in believing Vaikos arrest, I have another l
ink for you
The Hindu you shouldnt have any trouble believing considering the other thread on “lack of freedom of press” in India.
BTW, I am sure you havent bothered to find out who Vaiko is, so I shall tll you. He is from the the BJP partner party in Tamil Nadu from the NDA. He is entitled to his view on Sri Lanka, but tell me if there was active support for the LTTE by the BJP why would he have been arrested? Malik why do I know you will not answer this?
You have no clue of the current situation regarding LTTE and yet you want to argue.
Malik, So now that I have agreed India meddled with Sri Lankan affairs what next. that was in the past…
That was old news, and doesnt surprise anyone…
The same goes about the Jain commission report.
Now Nepal, heres your chance to surprise us by giving some proof to back up your insinuations…But then that would be too much to expect fom you woulnt it…I mean it would actually end up with you admitting you have no proof…
Have you actually read up on the reason for resentment that Nepalese have for India? I suggest you go do some proper reading instead of making halfassed comments…A bit of reflection, Malik on your part, will help you see your posts for the totally arbid rabid wonders that they are.
Now I am still waiting for your answer to my earlier question, and just so that you cant answer the wrong one, I am copying the question here again…
"There are many examples world over for terrorists the government of the country they are hiding in cant locate…
So does this mean that the government is sheltering them in all cases?"
Malik, answer this or just accept that you are nothing but a cheap India basher…
Malik, So now that I have agreed India meddled with Sri Lankan affairs what next. that was in the past....
That was old news, and doesnt surprise anyone...
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Yes, now you are freely admitting that the Indian government supported the LTTE terrorists (in the past), when previously you said Certain people in various Tamil Nadu Govts, not all have provided covert support to the LTTE, **this was against the general policy of the Indian govt.**
That is very good progress indeed. So there is no need to issue personal insults, and get all emotional. :)
As I said previously, yes there are other examples where a government cannot locate terrorists, and that seems to be the case with the Nepali terrorists residing in India. At least that is what India is claiming? Or maybe it is the other such terrorist groups that Bangladesh and China have also accused India of allowing sanctuary at one time or another?
I think it will be safe to say that India has provided material, political and moral support to the terrorist like activities in the past to LTTE and now they are providing a safe haven Maoist rebels to disrupt govt in Nepal. They should clean up their own house before pointing fingers at other neighbors.
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I think it will be safe to say that India has provided material, political and moral support to the terrorist like activities in the past to LTTE and now they are providing a safe haven Maoist rebels to disrupt govt in Nepal. They should clean up their own house before pointing fingers at other neighbors.
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both countries need india's help and both seek help from india to
fight insurgency. india and west have same policy on this.
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*Originally posted by Chuck de Phatté: *
I think it will be safe to say that India has provided material, political and moral support to the terrorist like activities in the past to LTTE and now they are providing a safe haven Maoist rebels to disrupt govt in Nepal. They should clean up their own house before pointing fingers at other neighbors.
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It will be safe to say this when you have proof show me the proof, not just one article from the BBC site..And BTW, have you even read the article, where incidently the Indian Police have agreed to arrest these rebels as and when they are found after the warrats are issued, you are reading way too much into this......
Anybody, who thinks that the BJP govt is in sync with the communist Bengal govt to disrupt Nepalese govt must really be flying.
And the Chinese rebels you are talking about happens to be the Dalai Llama, who was given asylum in India why dont you open a new thread and lets see how much your dirts gonna stick....
The Burmese govt hate everyone who think Aung Sang Syu Ki has got a point...
Funny in the case of China and Burma, India seems to be supporting teh voice of democracy and standing against religious and ethnic persecution, funny you should bring this up...but thanks anyway....
BTW, I dont think you are actually going to give facts and respond since it is so unlike your style, but where did you get all these conspiracy theories fro, whatever you are smoking, please stop......
As about cleaning up their own house, even you agree that this is in the past, what more cleaning up.....And do you want me to talk about people who need to clean up their northern borders or is it intentional?
Your flights of fantasy will continue as long as you ignore the facts.
The Maoist rebels had used two powerful pressure cooker bombs to demolish the building. Along with the training building a Hindu temple was also demolished in the premises of the building. The statues of Hindu deities, Ganesh, Hanuman, Lakshaman, Ram, Sita and Shiva have been destroyed in the explosion.
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I think it will be safe to say that India has provided material, political and moral support to the terrorist like activities in the past to LTTE and now they are providing a safe haven Maoist rebels to disrupt govt in Nepal. They should clean up their own house before pointing fingers at other neighbors.
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Yes, as this thread has proven even the Indian's (after being shown the proof) do not deny that India in one way or another hepled the LTTE terrorists in Sri Lanka. After all leading Indian government ministers like Fernandes, and Vajpayee's coalition buddy Thackeray are huge supporters of these terrorists.
As for Nepal. I don't think many India's will deny that there has always been a lot of anti-Indian sentiment in that country.
Yes, as this thread has proven even the Indian's (after being shown the proof) do not deny that India in one way or another hepled the LTTE terrorists in Sri Lanka. After all leading Indian government ministers like Fernandes, and Vajpayee's coalition buddy Thackeray are huge supporters of these terrorists.
As for Nepal. I don't think many India's will deny that there has always been a lot of anti-Indian sentiment in that country.
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Malik I like the way you carefully duck the other issues I have raised along similar lines...
1) India's support to the Sri Lankan Govt
2) India's support to Tibetans
3) George Fernandes' support to Syu Ki
4) The fact that other countries neighbouring India have similar problems in capturing terrorists visiting their country
Anyways, if you think you can consider a balanced picture and then answer, but if you choose to just read one article and judge a country then be my guest.....
