Ali_2
September 23, 2012, 5:37pm
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a bit advanced question
An analyst gathers the following information about two companies for the year ending 31
December 2008:
---------------------Company 1 ----------- Company 2
Dividend payout ratio ---- 37.5% --------------- 40.0%
Return on assets--------- 12% ---------------- 10.0%
Financial leverage -------- 1.6------------------ 2.0
Which of the following best describes the expected growth rate of Company 1? The
expected growth rate of Company 1 compared to Company 2 is:
A. lower.
B. greater.
C. the same.
P.S. if you want to keep it to basics ignore this one for a while
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1 is greater
Southie
September 23, 2012, 6:24pm
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Have provided info needed now (after visiting investopedia to refresh memory)
Southie
September 23, 2012, 6:48pm
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a bit advanced question
An analyst gathers the following information about two companies for the year ending 31
December 2008:
---------------------Company 1 ----------- Company 2
Dividend payout ratio ---- 37.5% --------------- 40.0%
Return on assets--------- 12% ---------------- 10.0%
Financial leverage -------- 1.6------------------ 2.0
Which of the following best describes the expected growth rate of Company 1? The
expected growth rate of Company 1 compared to Company 2 is:
A. lower.
B. greater.
C. the same.
P.S. if you want to keep it to basics ignore this one for a while
Since leverage ratio > 1, it cannot be debt to capital. So I will assume it is debt to equity.
A
div 37.5
Inc 100
Roa 2%
Assets 833
D/ Ee 1.6
Assets = d + eq
Sq = 833/2.6= 320
Debt = 513
B
Div 40
Ear 100
assets 1000
eq 333
Debt 666
Company a generatesincome off lower asset base and its return on equity also slightly higher. So based On ROA and Return on eq! A grows faster than B if it can maintain these ratios.
Southie
September 23, 2012, 7:25pm
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I guess from lower payout ratio higher ROA and lower debt to eq ratio one can come to same conclusion fasterss PM did.
Ali_2
September 24, 2012, 3:40am
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the answer is C
both companies will grow at same rate
ROE = Return on Asset x Financial leverage
Retention rate = 1- (payout ratio)
g = Retention rate x Return on Equity
(you can do the math)
Southie
September 24, 2012, 1:36pm
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Thanks Ali. I was not aware of this formula. Makes sense now.
Ali_2
September 24, 2012, 3:37pm
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You are welcome
please keep the thread rolling it is informative indeed
Southie
September 25, 2012, 2:37am
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Will do. It is our thread. So do feel free to take it in any direction.
Post 19 has updated the info you asked for. So waiting for answer to that.
Ali_2
September 26, 2012, 6:42am
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Correct!
Let us assume the company bought some equiment 8 years ago worth Rs 200000. Let us assume company depreciates this equipment over 20 years at rate of 10000 per year. This amount is deducted from profits when net income is calculated.
Assume each year company amortizes Rs 5000 in goodwill. The intersect paid on debt each year is Rs 2000. Income taxes Rs 8000.
What is operating income?
What is operating cash flow?
Looks like we have an investment guru here folks in the form of Ali.
Operating Income = NI + Taxes + Interest Cost (125 M +8000+2000)
OCF = NI + NCC (Non cash charges = Depreciation & Amortization) + Interest Cost + Tax expense - Interest paid - Taxes paid
You have adjust for net working capital changes to arrive at OCF ( Working capital changes means Change in Debtors, creditors etc)
you still have not provided the net working capital changes
for Statement of Cash Flows you need two Balance Sheets (op & Closing) and Income statement for the year if you are using indirect method or you need the details about cash received and paid during the year if you want to use Direct Method
Southie
September 29, 2012, 6:46am
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Operating Income = NI + Taxes + Interest Cost (125 M +8000+2000)
OCF = NI + NCC (Non cash charges = Depreciation & Amortization) + Interest Cost + Tax expense - Interest paid - Taxes paid
You have adjust for net working capital changes to arrive at OCF ( Working capital changes means Change in Debtors, creditors etc)
you still have not provided the net working capital changes
for Statement of Cash Flows you need two Balance Sheets (op & Closing) and Income statement for the year if you are using indirect method or you need the details about cash received and paid during the year if you want to use Direct Method
Was away for few days. Just saw this.
What is the difference between interest cost and interest paid. Tax expense vs tax paid.
Southie
September 29, 2012, 6:46pm
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Correct!
Let us assume the company bought some equiment 8 years ago worth Rs 200000. Let us assume company depreciates this equipment over 20 years at rate of 10000 per year. This amount is deducted from profits when net income is calculated.
Assume each year company amortizes Rs 5000 in goodwill. The intersect paid on debt each year is Rs 2000. Income taxes Rs 8000.
What is operating income?
What is operating cash flow?
Looks like we have an investment guru here folks in the form of Ali.
The receivables has increased by Rs 20000 and payables by Rs 10000.
Ok now what is operating cash flow?
Southie
September 30, 2012, 10:27pm
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Several faithful readers suggested we summarize results so they can catch up. Dear Reader, we are here to serve.
Market cap 1 billion.
Earning 125 mil
Revenue or sales 1.5b
P/E 1000/125 = 8
P/S = 1000/1500 = 0.67
Payout ratio = 0.5
Dividends = 0.5*125 = 62.5M
Earnings yield = E/P100 = 12.5%
Div yield = 12.5 pay out ratio = 6.25%
Southie
September 30, 2012, 10:34pm
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Interest payments annual 2000
Annual taxes 8000
Operating earnings = net income + interest + taxes = 125,000,000 + 2000+8000= 125,010,000
Southie
September 30, 2012, 10:39pm
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Annual depreciation = 10000
Annual amortization= 5000
Receivables = 20000
Payables = 10000
Operating cash flow = net income + interest + taxes + depreciation + amortization + payables - receivables
= 125,000+2000+8000+10000+5000+10000-20000= 125,015,000
Southie
September 30, 2012, 10:41pm
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OK readers, if the company spent Rs 50000 in the last fiscal year on capital expenditure, what is its Free Cash Flow?
Ali_2
October 1, 2012, 6:57am
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Southie:
Annual depreciation = 10000
Annual amortization= 5000
Receivables = 20000
Payables = 10000
Operating cash flow = net income + interest + taxes + depreciation + amortization + payables - receivables
= 125,000+2000+8000+10000+5000+10000-20000= 125,015,000
just a small correction
even if we consider interest related to Financing activities, one has to deduct taxes paid to arrive at OCF.
Ali_2
October 1, 2012, 7:00am
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sometimes Interest is not paid within the reporting period and taxes are usually paid after the period end (after assessment apart from advance taxes or tax deducted at source if any)
General purpose Financial statements are prepared based on Accrual concept. Interest and taxed accrued but not paid will effect IS but not Cash flows
Ali_2
October 1, 2012, 7:03am
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FCF = OCF - Capital expenditure
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sometimes Interest is not paid within the reporting period and taxes are usually paid after the period end (after assessment apart from advance taxes or tax deducted at source if any)
General purpose Financial statements are prepared based on Accrual concept. Interest and taxed accrued but not paid will effect IS but not Cash flows
Thanks Ali. By IS do you mean income statement?