Inter-sect marriages in Islam

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Agreed Saro :k:

all this sect talk is nonsense…How can you call yourself a sunni and at the same time consider yourself Muslim, likewise how can you call yourself Shia and consider yourself a Muslim. Prophets [PBU Them] were not Sunni, Shia, or anything - rather Muslims - and thats the name we are given by Allah [The All Knowing].

The People of the Books will split into 71-72 sects, and Islam into 73 sects. The only people who will be allowed to enter Paradise are those who believe and **follow Quran **and Sunna. ← i.e. Muslim and Muslima.

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since , my post is deleted even though it was in response to one misunderstanding, I will consider to rephrase.

We all should be aware of certain things for a sect to be part of Islam. There are groups whom common people understand to be muslim whereas fact of the matter is that there is an IJMA’ of all school of thoughts about them being not the follower of Islam due to their basic corruption of Aqaaid where one either puts someone else at the place of Prophet:saw: or even went to the extreme of rejecting him as the last prophet and thus declaring someone else as a prophet after him.

Sadiyah: I hope that explanation will not bother you anymore. It is sad otherwise that we as muslims now get penalized for trying to let people know of what can lead them out of Islam.

Can I declare that There is no deity but Allah:swt: and that Muhammad:saw: is Allah’s LAST prophet and that whoever declares anyone as a prophet after Muhammad:saw: is out of Islam and he is the follower of Muselima Kadhaab with whom Syedana Abu Bakr:razi: fought a battle? yes - a battle with sword!

That is not an example of inter-sect marraige. Since when Ahmedi become sect of Islam? They are by enlarge unanimously considered by every scholars a non-muslim community. If decalred Ahemadi, they are forbidden to enter Hijaaz.

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Marriage is about sharing things that are dear to you. If religion happens to be one of them, than even within your sect, marriage has to be with someone who feels similarly passionate about the same religion. As all organized religions revolve around rituals that can differ from a sect to sect and religion to religion, it can cause problems in an inter-sect marriage. But if religion isn’t very important, than inter-sect or even inter-religion marriages can work out and often be very successful.

That being said, even within sects, there are so many differences when it comes to religion that to marry a sunni who considers going to peers as part of being religious to another sunni who considers doing that unforgivable shirk, is essentially marrying people of two different religions and most likely it will not work out. Either one of them will be far better off in their married life, if they married a shia (or some other sect) who doesn’t care too much about religion, though it will be best if they marry someone who shares their exact religious views.

Anyway, the best companion is the one who is compatible; just like if one is a tree hugger and the other enjoys burning gas in his H2, then most likely they will not get along even if they are from the same sect and even the sub-sect and sub-sub-sect.

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its more like the sipah-e-sahaba type of ppl who label shiaas as kaafirs…
ppl who u refer to as “wahabis” just consider them to be on a wrong path…

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I agree with armughal about Sunni schoalrs considering Shias to be Muslims.

Ahmadjee, is there any particular religious verdict amongst Ahmadis that says 'yes, you can marry people who are not Ahmadis'?

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Disclaimer: The following is to the best of my knowledge or the way I understand things; not to be taken as absolute.

Sadiyah,

Before I answer that, let me explain two things that are important in understanding the whole thing.

(1) There are two different groups among the ahmadis, or you can call them sub-sects. One is usually refereed to as ‘Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama’at’ or Qadiyani Jamat (to which I belong to) and the other is commonly known as ‘Ahmadiyya Anjuman Isha’at-e-Islam Lahore’ or Lahori jamat. Not going into too much details about the differences between the two; it is important to mention that the former believes in a divinely guided Khalifa to have succeeded the Promised Messiah (as) and is the head of the community (jamat), while the later do not believe in Khilafat and therefore are lead by an Anjuman or a group of people.

(2) Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamat conducts itself as an organization and to be part of it requires that one initiates himself/herself by pledging these conditions of bait at the hand of the Khalifa. In other words, considering Hazrat Ahmad (as) as the Promised Messiah will make one an Ahmadi, but to be part of the jamat, you have to take the biat.

Now, as far as I know the Lahori jamat does not have any restrictions on intermarriage, but please don’t quote me on this.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamat however has had a different decree regarding intermarriage under different Khulafa. Under Khalifa-tul-Messiah Sani (2nd Khalifa, 1914-1965) intermarriages were totally forbidden. Under Khalifa-tul-Messiah Salis (3rd Khalifa, 1965-1982) they were allowed for some period of time and many Ahmadis intermarried including some of my dur par kay ristaydar. Under Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad (4th Khalifa) they were forbidden but one could write to him regarding his personal situation and exceptions could be made. For example, if someone cannot find a suitable match, due to age, ethnicity or some other reason, he/she can get permission. I don’t believe this rule has changed under the current Khalifa.

This usually means that either the person who wants to intermarry has to leave the jamat or the person he is trying to marry becomes an Ahmadi. Those who chose to leave or get married in civil court or through the priest, rabbi or Maulvi Sahib are excommunicated, which means they are no longer considered part of the community, though they are not considered non-Ahmadis/non-Muslims etc. This basically means that their financial sacrifices are not accepted, they can no longer contact the community for personal affairs, the office holders of the community do not take part at their weddings or other functions.

New converts to Ahmadiyya Jamat have to wait for a period of time before they can marry in the community. Those who become Ahmadis to marry a community member, usually have to wait for a year (or so), where their conduct, along with their commitment to their newly acquired belief is tested. Basically its a waiting period where they are introduced to Ahmadiyyat, so they understand what they are about to do, in case they have doubts they can mend it before its too late. There are many benefits to this practice to which I can attest to myself.

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.............twisted

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So why do ppl have to test you on your beliefs?

Shouldnt it be between you and Allah? So what if I convert and I dont pass this test and somebody says that even though I have taken this baith I cant join the community?

Not trying to poke fun or anything but just curious as to what happens to one if after being monitored your told that you cant join.

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Sadz, test is not a written test, it is more like do they understand what they profess to believe or is it a lip service, do they come to masjid once in a while, do they take part in financial sacrifice or other auxiliary organization activities, like coming to the meetings, maybe participating in them once in a while etc.

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Salaams to everyone,

I am Shia, and we **are **allowed to marry Muslims from other sects because they are also recognized as Muslims.

WaSalaam

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ahmadjee, thanks for the explanation. I hope the individual in need finds it helpful.

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well yes, it may not be an accurate depiction of what one sect thinks of others but thats how they treat each other on broader level. even in Sunnis one thinks of other as kafir, I'll give you one example, its in the "land of knowledge/freedom" where almost everyone gives up all/many differences i.e. USA. In Dallas we have this Brelvi group who refuses to talk to "Deo-bandi" group (which is not "Wahhabi" btw) when they approached to talk/resolve the most famous/controversial issue of Muslim ummah i.e. moon citing :) .... the Brelvi "scholar" refused because they were not even "Muslims" to talk about it.

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but how do you know if they actually do believe? Why do other ppl have to judge this?

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is there any particular religious verdict amongst Ahmadis that says 'yes, you can marry people who are not Ahmadis'?

A. Yes, an Ahmadi is also a muslim belong to ahmadiya jamat. So, if there's any Muslim Sunni/shia or anyother man wants to marry an Ahmadi mslim , He is allowed to marry. Similarly, an ahmadi gal can marry non-ahmadi guy.
It is considered good to marry within ahmadis just like sunnis, shias prefer to marry someone who is sunii/shia. Mughals/ syed prefer to marry within their own caste but according to Islam, Allah says marry the one who is most pious.

another thing ..
In Quran it is stated that, you can marry anyone who believes in any of the Holy book of Allah. It might include Jews, Christians.

So, in marrying someone it depends on person to person, if you love someone and he/she is ahmadi or out of caste , then just see one thing that he or she is close to Allah, follows Holy prophet(PBUH), perform namaz and reads Quran. There is nothing more important if someone perform all or any of these.
Secondly, if you think you are a practicing muslim and you can convert the other person then go ahead and marry , it would become a good cause in the eyes of Allah as well.
Many ahmadis do perform all of these acts which i mentioned above. I have studied a lot about ahmadis and I have seen many ahmadis performing all of these acts.

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and I have seen many marriages among Ahmadis and Sunnis and other sects. The only difference between ahmadi and other sects is that sunnis and all others do not follow Mahdi/Messiah and ahmadis follow. So, in their marriages it doesn't have any sound affect. Since, their namaz, Quran, kalma ,following the Holy Prophet(pbuh) is all the same.

I have seen couples who are still together and happy with many kids. Some don't covert while others do.
If you really love someone, then go ahead only if your intentions are good. Marry for the sake of Allah that you will do good for your husband/wife religious training.

We are all here to guide people on the right path towards Allah so we should do that..

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shias have no problem with marrying into sunnis and vice versa.........why is this old thread reignited?

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There's a hadees :
A time will come when there would be 73 sects in Muslims and everyone would be saying kafir to each other.
then some one asked then how would people come to know that who's on right path..
Holy Prophet(Pbuh) answered, all 72 sects would be on one side and will still be against one jamaat. (He used the word jamaat) and that Jamaat would be on right path.
another sign to show that they would be right is that jamaat would be treated just like i was treated by kafirs and my sahabas.

Holy prophet( PBUH) and his followers Muslims were treated harshly on reciting Quran and performing namaz. Kafirs did not allow him to perform Hajj and he had to return when treaty of Madinah happened.
ALLL this is happening now with jamaat ahmadiya. They are being killed on reciting Quran, performing namaz, saying Salam.

Still people can't see because they don't want to see.

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