Injections during fasting

Re: Injections during fasting

It seems new fatwa is coming every year and people are trying to distort Islam everyday.

Regardless, there are still Muslims who believe on following Islam in traditional way and according to their practices; Injection (for whatever reason) invalidates fasting. There are also logical and Islamic reasons to back this conclusion (that injection, for whatever reason, invalidates fasting).

It is unfortunate that internet information these days is full of deviated Islam (fed by petro-dollars) influencing most people.

Anyhow, since Internet has become main source of knowledge for many and many are following Islam that is modified by recent so-called petro-Muftis (opinion makers) giving various farfetched fatwas (opinion) contrary to traditional Islam, I am quoting internet site about the information regarding this issue.

**There is a book called “Al-fiqh’alal-madhahib al Arba ‘ah” written by Shaykh Abd al-Rahman al-Jaziri (born 1882, died 1941). Who was this person?

I am just putting here so that no doubt is left about his person. Source:
**http://www.fonsvitae.com/fourschoolsfiqh.html

cAbd al-Raĥmān Ibn Muĥammad cAwađ al-Jazīrī educated at al-Azhar from 1896-1909 (age 14 to age 27) joined al-Azhar as teacher. In 1912, he was appointed inspector for the Ministry of Religious Endowment’s Department of Mosques, after which he was promoted to the Ministry’s chief inspector. He was subsequently appointed as a professor in al-Azhar’s College of the Principles of Religion, and before his death in Ĥulwān in 1941 (1360 AH), al-Jazīrī became a member of al-Azhar’s Committee of Senior Scholars.

Al-Jazīrī’s writings include: Al-Fiqh cAlā al-Madhāhib al-Arbac**ah **(“Islamic Jurisprudence According to the Four Orthodox Schools”) in four volumes (Volume I was composed jointly by al-Jazīrī and a committee of scholars, while the remaining volumes were composed by al-Jazīrī alone);

Regarding fasting, from above book (I will later go into logical and Islamic reasons on this issue too).

http://www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/fiqhof.htm

Prescribed Fasting: Details of the Fiqh
from al-Fiqh alal-madhahib al-Arbaah
by the Azhari scholar Shaykh `Abd al-Rahman al-Jaziri (1882-1941)

Go to section:
Things Obligatory to Refrain From During the Prescribed Fast
(Now go to number 6)
**6. Injection **
**Injection invalidates the prescribed fast and requires the fast to be made up in the opinion of all the schools. **

Thus, at the time Al-Jazīrī wrote that book, all Islamic school of thoughts considered that injection invalidates fasting. It is different matter that later, influences by modern muftis (opinion makers), many changed their views, still what I know in Hanafi Madhab (especially those of ahle-sunnah-wal-jammah), view is still that injection invalidates fasting.

Why injection invalidates fast (according to logic and Islam)?

According to Islam:

Hadith of Prophet (SAW): Leave that which you are doubtful for that which are not doubtful

There is no doubt that ‘Injection invalidates fasting’ was an accepted practice of Islam amongst all Muslim school of thoughts (Hanafi, Shafi, Hambli and Malki, probably Jafria too), else above scholar along with other senior scholars of Al-azhar university jointly, would not had written that in the book. (Note: what written in the book is fact of that time what different school of thoughts believe).

So, if things changed by present day muftis (opinion makers), this change cannot be a change without doubts (as none of present day opinion makers can claim that they received wahi from Allah regarding the issue, but that their opinion though contrary with past opinion makers, still is theirs. They cannot even say (with certainty) that they understand Islam better then past muftis.

Thus, injection invalidates fast or even if ‘Injection does not invalidate fast’ injection is doubtful while fasting (and thus, one should assume that it invalidates fast, as anything doubtful, one should avoid that).

Hadith regarding doubtful matters:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/002.sbt.html#001.002.049
*Bukhari: Volume 1, Book 2, Number 49: *
Narrated An-Nu’man bin Bashir:
I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, 'Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/034.sbt.html#003.034.267
*Bukhari: Volume 3, Book 34, Number 267: *

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/010.smt.html#010.3882
*Muslim: Book 010, Number 3882: *

Now logical conclusions regarding ‘injection and fasting’:

There are two main reasons that made these petro-dollar muftis to give fatwa (opinion) that injection does not invalidate fasting:

Reason one: ‘compulsion of necessity’

006.119
YUSUFALI: Why should ye not eat of (meats) on which Allah’s name hath been pronounced, when He hath explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you - except under compulsion of necessity? But many do mislead (men) by their appetites unchecked by knowledge. Thy Lord knoweth best those who transgress

From above ayah, these people (some present day opinion makers) consider that if injection is due to medical reasons, it is ‘compulsion of necessity’, and thus it should be allowed, even during fasting.

**Question is that: Is taking injection is ‘compulsion of necessity’? **

It would have been the case if in Islam, there was no alternative for fasting (obligatory fasting). Fortunately, there is alternative, rather it is recommended that if a person is sick, one should do qidda fasting and if one cannot even do qidda fasting than give fadia. So taking injection is not ‘compulsion of necessity’ and thus it cannot be justified using above ayah.

Reason two: Due to differences regarding nutrition and medicine as intake. (Excuses rotates around believe about something going into cavity or something is nutrition or not).

One reason given is that, invalidating fasting means getting something in cavity (stomach).

Well, if that would have been the case then nutrition injection should not invalidate fasting (along with medical injection) as it does not provide anything to cavity (but obviously, that is not allowed, as if it was allowed, it would have made fasting a joke for rich).

Other reason given being that, only nutrition injection invalidates fasting but medical injection does not.

That means that its not injection that invalidates fasting but receiving nutrition invalidates fasting (and as medicine is not nutrition, it does not invalidate fasting). That argument is illogical, because if that would have been the case, than, taking medicine (that has no nutrition values) through mouth should be OK too (according to same analogy), but it is not.

Thus, it shows that opinion (fatwa) of these petro-dollar muftis regarding ‘injection of medicine does not invalidate fasting (and at the same time, injection of nutrition does)’ is a joke, that does not stand in front of any ijtihad based on daleel or on qias.

Now, is it true that fast can be broken only if a thing gets to cavity (stomoch)?

Well, it is untrue as many things can break (or invalidates) fast that is nothing to do with either things going into cavity or things to do with nutrition intakes. For example, discharge of semen that is nothing to do with cavity or excessive bleeding nothing to do with cavity (both mentioned do not even provide nutrition but can make a person more weak) or smocking (smoke does not go to cavity but to lungs and has no nutrition value), etc etc, all invalidates fast.

[Note, smoke is not nutrition, and thus if it was only nutrition that can invalidates fast then smocking should not break fast. On the other hand, all injection uses liquid (even medical injection) and liquid, regardless of it being of any nutrition value, invalidates fast].

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If we're talking about insulin injections, you really shouldn't even be fasting in the first place if you're a real diabetic. So, the issue of insulin injections shouldn't even crop up. A diabetic who fasts is risking hypoglycemia (sugar levels too low), which is way worse in consequences than hyperglycemia (sugar levels too high). I have family members who are diabetics and not one of them fasts.

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Exactly.

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I think it depends on the severity of their condition.. my mom has had it forever, and she's never skipped a single fast ever and thank God her sugar was never too dangerously low

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^That's not the sort of thing one should play with. Also depends on whether you're type I or type II and how progressive the disease is. I have the initial beginnings of type II, and I'm still fasting. I can guarantee you I'm going to stop the moment it gets bad enough that the physician has to put me on medication.

Allah doesn't want to make things hard on you. I once remember protesting to my girlfriends how "why not fast when you've got your period, or pray? It seems like its not that you're not ALLOWED to do it, since the Quran doesn't prohibit it, but it seems that God is giving you a present - some time off...but you can still pray and worship". And the response I got from one girl was that when God gives you a gift or an allowance...that to reject it is being pretty disrespectful of God.

Which made sense to me. Not that your mom is disrespecting God, but please don't advise diabetics to keep a fast in general. God is trying to make things easier for people by allowing people to not fast if there are health issues. To reject that offer in sheer pride that you can still fast is somewhat foolish, because you're risking your health. And I always say a dead muslim is a pretty useless muslim.

The risk of hypoglycemia is always there. And by fasting, you are throwing your body off its usual scheduled eating times. As a diabetic, having timed meals and not snacking at odd hours makes a difference because you want to prime your insulin to be released. In diabetes type II especially, your insulin becomes "stupid". So, you can't confuse things up for it. It progressively brings your system closer to a nasty end. Of course, exceptions always exist.

Of course, its up to the individual. If you keep fasting being a diabetic, and you don't care about the consequences, its up to you. Patient autonomy at its best.

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^ Not all diabetics are in danger of xtremely low blood sugar, sometimes the #s end up way too high even with medicine and fasting :( But I think if the person feels physically fine and their numbers are in a normal range, then they can fast if they want. I wouldn't recommend a diabetic or sick person to do tht, and it esp gets to me htat women who are pregnant decide to fast but that's a whole otehr topic :o

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that just means that the medication isn't working, or that the diet needs to be altered in some manner. diabetes is a very fine balance condition. the right and proper amount of medication can do miracles for one person, and ruin the other one. and especially during fasts, the body is going crazy trying to get some sugar into the blood stream, so the readings could be exaggerated.

PCG is right...not only it is risky, in terms of the things that could go wrong, but it is also rejecting a gift that Allah gave you. Take the gift, and thank Allah for giving you this oppurtunity. It isn't like He won't understand.

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So even if you feel absolutely fine u shudnt fast?
Im gonna talk to my doctor abt it (if she stays in teh room for more htan 5 minutes :rolleyes: ) ..:hinna:

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lol. why take the risk, when there aren’t certain consequences to it?

:cb: @ the docs, tell me about it :hinna:

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Take te risk of fasting ? Certain consequences?

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sorry i know i’m not clear. i meant that its ok not to fast in that situation. Islamically. So you won’t be penalized for it, come day. So you don’t have those consequences. get it? :bummer:

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duno man, i been doin it for a week and i've felt fine...i'd feel bad if i copped out now :(

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No sane doctor would tell a diabetic to fast the way we do.

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There are plenty of diabetics who fast, and do it without any complications. Ofcourse those with frequent episodes of low blood sugar or with brittle diabetes are told not to fast.

Insulin regimens are switched according to patient's meals, that is higher doses at night and lower at Sahri. They are educated bout symptoms of hypoglycemia.

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^ Are those people obese?

I don't see how as a physician you would even tell a patient to go ahead and fast. Because if something happens, the lawsuits are ON.

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The physicians don't tell people to go and fast, they just help those who want to fast.

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pcg, i asked my doctor, she said fasting for type 2 is acceptable, but never for type 1. Esp if your sugar is already high (n ure type 2) then fasting is alright.

So they took two bottles of blood from me..so I thought that the fast was invalidated or something.. i'm confuzed now :(