INHUMANITY OF JEWS OF ISRAEL

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Well just because Muslims didnt do anything, doesnt justify the crimes of others... Two wrongs dont make a right... Just because Muslims havent done enough to support Muslims in other countries, doesnt mean that justifies the crime sof Israel.
Reasons are complex I think... One is the complete disunity among Muslims countries... There is no organization among them. Many dont have the capacity to really "do" anything...

Also, many Muslims are ruled by corrupt and unrepresentative govts... Hence, most of these govt are more intrested in their own self intrest while the will of the people is ignored..
Some have said this is one of the reason for the rise in Islamic extremism.. People who feel they are not listend to and hence turn to "terorism."

And you give America credit when it doesnt deserve it... Considering America has the capacity to do far more, the fact that they created Saddam, Osama... That they supported ruthless dictatorships even to this day, completely undermines their credibility...

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We will believe you when there is something on the ground... So far, all we see is Israeli stealing resources, destroying livlihoods, destroying familes etc...

Shocking how you support this evil state.

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Isn't Pakistan doing that as well on its border areas?

Learn to put things in context

The majority of Israelis are peaceful. Its only the hawkish former Generals who get elected after repeated Arab attacks to destroy Israel which shift the Israeli populace to support right wingers who advocate military action.

If these idiot Arabs give up their notion to destroying Israel, then peaceful Israelis can come to the foray and make peace.

You have a one sided view of Israel coupled with years of brainwashing by your parents, media, biased interpretation of religion to lead to such conclusions.

I was just like you when I lived in Saudi Arabia. When I came to Canada, I understood the conflict from a neutral perspective something which you need to do

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what did saddam do?
did you miss the news and evidence from his trial?
plo was never offered a satifactory deal
btw who is the 'pla' you refer to?

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When so called non-extremist non-jihadi "moderate" muslims are not prepared to reject and jail the religious crowd, when whole nation of pakistan bend over for condi rice and saudi arabia, still some people think there is credibility to talk abut palestine and kashmir and darfur.

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jail the religious crowd! dont co-operate with other nations!
how many holes do you want pakistan to dig?

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If you call israel occupiers how do you answer the potential claim of everyone else against muslims?

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where? what potential claims?

above all its clear you dont know what your talking about.

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What Pakistan is doing is trying to prevent ACTUAL terrorist from blowing up schools and shops...
Pakistan is actually not doing a very a good job of it as they certainly havent done anything besides manning the checkpoints... If the Taliban would stop behving like such dicks, Pakistan would be more then happy to pull its troops out. Pak never sent in troops till they were forced too... Pakistan in it 60 years of history, never touched the FATA area until it was forced to do so...

What Israel does on the other hand is systematic.. Its steals land, steals resources, destroyus livlihoods, treats Palestinian people like animals... BIG difference... And its been going on for years... There agenda seems to be Palestine without the Palestinians.

Israel has supporters, like YOU, and America and Europe.. They have a powerful lobby groups which literaly dictates its terms on capital hill... Israel gets weapons in the billions of dollars to oppress people throwing stones... It convinces otherwise intelligent people like you into supporting Israel wholeheartedly while denouncing everyone else who doesnt as being antisemtitc.
Palestinina on the other hand have no one...

I KNOW MAJORITY OF ISRAELIS ARE PEACFUL!!!!!!!!! But this isnt about the Jewish people, THIS IS ABOUT THE ISRAELI STATE... Why cant you get that through you head! And we are not saying that we shouldnt make peace with Israel... We are saying that no matter who is behind the crimes of the Israeli state, doesnt change the fact that they have commited them. And until Israel rectifies those issues, it has neither the right to respect, nor the right to exist.

Israel as a nation is commiting crimes, and it is getting away with it thanks to people like you, who after years of so called intellectual persuit, have been brainwashed into thinking that Israel is all powerful and everyone else is wrong!

These idiot Arabs would have no problem if these idiot zionist Jews would stop stealing their land and trying to bully them into submission.

You have a very one sided and distorted view of REALITY... You have literally become a mouth piece for the Israeli govt. You continualy fall into the trap of accusing everyone of being Anti semetic, all while justifying the obvious crimes of the Jewish state.
At the end of the day, its gotten so bad that people like you who support the systematic evil of Israel are considered "pacifists intelectuals" while anyone who opposes Israels crimes, is a racist! Pathetic... What a world...

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Sounds like the West Bank to me

Isn't that what the Balochis accuse Pakistan of?

Like I said only a small minority, the settlers and their right wing backers does this. The only reason they get away with this is that the Israeli government is staffed mostly right wingers....

So your anger should be at the Israeli government and not Israel it self

I support the right of Israel to exist and analyse the ISraeli-Palestinian dispute from a neutral perspective.

The Israeli Lobby only became powerful in 1976 when Carter came to Power. Before that it was insignificant. So its not because of the Lobby that Israel has managed to survive.

Israel gets billions from America to have a proper deterrrent agains the conventional Arab Armies. Israel is a country of 5 million, with no natural resources, no countries to trade with near by, how is its economy going to survive and also maintain a massive military if not of Aid from USA?

I completely agree. If Israelis have committed crimes against the Palestinians then they should be punished. But the problem is the obsessiveness of Arabs and Muslims on Israeli crimes and none on their own people.

You can no longer respect it but it does have a right to exist

The Israeli government may be committing crimes but not an ordinary Israeli

When did I say Israel is all powerful? Its people like you who concoct stupid conspiracy theories about Israel doing this, Mossad doing this, Jews behind 9/11, etc...., which makes it sound that Israel is all powerful and they have this all powerful lobby which literally runs Washington, etc......

They lost these lands in a War in which they started. Egypt got its land back in 1982 when it made peace with Israel in 1977.

Infact Israel offered to give all the lands captured in the 1967 war if it meant peace and recognition. Every single Arab country, after meeting in Khartoum, Sudan rejected it in September 1967.

I have offered a neutral presepctive and not the brainwashed perspective which almost every single pakistani repeats to a T

Again you are not understanding my arguments, which I guess its ok because its too hard for you too comprehend how can anyone treat the Israelis as human beings.

I have and always condemned Israeli crimes.

When Israel used cluster bombs over Lebanon, I was totally against that. When Israel shut off power and water to gaza, I was totally against that. When they cut off electricity, increase settlements in West Bank, kidnap stone throwing kids, I totally condemn that.

But you are castigating the entire nation of Israel, I condemn the government for authorizing such actions

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Anyways, I no longer want to discuss Israel and waste my time on this subject

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Isn't that what the Balochis accuse Pakistan of?
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Difference. Balochis are not being thrown out of their homes.

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I support the right of Israel to exist and analyse the ISraeli-Palestinian dispute from a neutral perspective.
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Anyone looking at this problem from neutral perspective accepts that Israel has no right to exist.

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They lost these lands in a War in which they started.
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War was started by Zionists when they established State of Israel, thrown out Palestinians from their homes, and allowed mass immigration of foreigners in their land.

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Infact Israel offered to give all the lands captured in the 1967 war

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Muslims need to get back all the land Israelis occupied since its inception.

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I have offered a neutral presepctive and not the brainwashed perspective which almost every single pakistani repeats
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Your perspective is anti-Muslim perspective. It is not a brain-washed perspective. It is actually based on hatred.
Even many Jews understand that Israel is an illegitimate country, which is based on brutality and use of force.

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And the Palestinians left on their own when they fled the oncoming Israeli Army so your point is again negated

Anyone who says that is obviously not judging it from a neutral perspective

:omg: War was started by Arabs who attacked the Jews to show who will be the master of the Arab Land. Mass immigration in actuality happened after Israel was formed when your Arab Champions kicked out 1 Million Jews and they fled to Israel

The only way they will get back West Bank and Gaza is through negotiations and peace and not listening to people like you

How can it be anti-muslim when I am myself Muslim?

You don’t know what you are talking about which is no surprise

And many Muslims are against Pakistan. Doesn’t make them right and neither does them.