in 1971 we disintegrated pakistan....and in coming years i think ciizens of pakistan are doing their best to finish this country pakistan forever...while dreaming of disintegration of india....
What you Indians need to understand that a stable and democratic Pakistan is in your interest. Flirting with seperatist in Pakistan is not going to help you.
If you border a Somalia or Afghanistan, then let me assure you the mess will seap in to India. So stop supporting the troublemakers, and support the Pakistan government.
What you Indians need to understand that a stable and democratic Pakistan is in your interest. Flirting with seperatist in Pakistan is not going to help you.
If you border a Somalia or Afghanistan, then let me assure you the mess will seap in to India. So stop supporting the troublemakers, and support the Pakistan government.
You are right Mr. Khan. We know that Pakistan is acting as a buffer for India against the Barbarians/Tribals of Central Asia. And Mojority of Indians support for a Stable Pakistan.
You are right Mr. Khan. We know that Pakistan is acting as a buffer for India against the Barbarians/Tribals of Central Asia. And Mojority of Indians support for a Stable Pakistan.
Bhai Sahib, you could help by not supporting those Mongol-Tatars (Barbarians in your words) of the Northern Alliance, who are causing so much trouble for Pakistan, and reduce your consulates in Afghanistan.
We definitely do support a Pakistan that minds its own business...
I could say the same for India, stop supporting the Baluch separatists, and stop running an international campaign against Pakistan.
Secondly, you guys need to solve the Kashmir issue. If you want to be a major power, and compete with the Chinese, then you can’t have this festering wound. Everyone with a half a sense knows that the best solution is the Chenab formula, you keep eastern Jammu, Zanskar and Ladakh, with their Hindu and Buddhist populations, the rest goes to us. Why keep Muslim Kashmiris and Baltis in India, when they clearly want to leave. You are better of with out them. But as they say, common sense is rear sense.
There is a lot going for India, but you guys seriously need to get over the Pakistan hatred that poisons your body politic. I say this all as a concerned neighbour.
I do agree with you that India needs to have good relations with Pakistan to be a major power in the world. India has always gone the extra mile to better the relationship with Pakistan. Remember when our former PM visited Lahore and there was a semblance of relationship going the normal way. What did India get in return. Kargil wherein the army regulars of Pakistan crossed over and created havoc. Even when Kasab was caught, no action has been forthcoming against Kasab's handlers. You can argue for all you might, but you being an intelligent person do realise that kasab does not have the mental ability to do what he did without the active support from some of the bigwigs of Pakistan. What is stopping Pakistan to take action against these war mongers.
You also suggest that we give away part of our land to you. Where will this end. What is stopping Pakistan to lay claim to another area where muslims are in majority. Also the best available solution for this would be to accept the present LOC and move on. Once this is done, half the problems can be solved.
when Kasab was caught, no action has been forthcoming against Kasab's handlers. You can argue for all you might, but you being an intelligent person do realise that kasab does not have the mental ability to do what he did without the active support from some of the bigwigs of Pakistan. What is stopping Pakistan to take action against these war mongers.
You also suggest that we give away part of our land to you. Where will this end. What is stopping Pakistan to lay claim to another area where muslims are in majority. Also the best available solution for this would be to accept the present LOC and move on. Once this is done, half the problems can be solved.
Lets start with the Mumbai attack. The Pak foreign minister was actually in India, when the attack took place. Instead of using this opportunity to really work with the Zardari government to deal with the Jihadi menace, there was a lot of grand standing. If you want the LET dismantled, you need to provide the evidence. Instead, all we got was an ultimatum. I know for a fact, that the Indian establishment knew that there posturing was not going to produce any result, except that they could tell the average Indian how tough they have been with Pakistan.
The issue of Kashmir is distinct from say Murshidabad or the Lakshadweep, which are Muslim majority areas in India. It is disputed territory, not your land, and it needs to be resolved.
Now there are things we in Pakistan could learn from India, particularly with regards to the stable political set up and abolishment of the feudal system. But I can't point these out to my Pakistani co-nationals, if the Indian army is killing kids and raping women in the Kashmir valley.
Bhai Sahib, you could help by not supporting those Mongol-Tatars (Barbarians in your words) of the Northern Alliance, who are causing so much trouble for Pakistan, and reduce your consulates in Afghanistan.
We definitely do support a Pakistan that minds its own business...
I could say the same for India, stop supporting the Baluch separatists, and stop running an international campaign against Pakistan.
Secondly, you guys need to solve the Kashmir issue. ////////////////neighbour.
every pak citizen has got his seperate radio station.....our pm recently very frankly declared in states....we do not know whom to talk in pakistan....
That I must say is nothing but bs. Zardari is in charge, and he is the one they need to talk too. Its like Isrealis, always pretending there is no one to talk to.
All Sardar Manmohan Singh needs to do is to pick up the phone. The problem is that in India there is a lot of political mileage that you can make by being tough with Pakistan. So its short term political calculations that are out weighting long term objectives.
I was watching this Indian comentator, some chap called Swapan Dasgupta, who was positively relishing the distruction of Pakistan. So your government is under a lot of pressure from these Hindu extremist to keep relations poor with Pakistan.
That I must say is nothing but bs. Zardari is in charge, and he is the one they need to talk too. Its like Isrealis, always pretending there is no one to talk to.
All Sardar Manmohan Singh needs to do is to pick up the phone. The problem is that in India there is a lot of political mileage that you can make by being tough with Pakistan. So its short term political calculations that are out weighting long term objectives.
I was watching this Indian comentator, some chap called Swapan Dasgupta, who was positively relishing the distruction of Pakistan. So your government is under a lot of pressure from these Hindu extremist to keep relations poor with Pakistan.
you are not discussing anything..but giving a conclusion...this is the base problem of pakistan and its citizens...
read your own post.....off course, it is difficult for you to understand....
you are not discussing anything..but giving a conclusion...this is the base problem of pakistan and its citizens...
read your own post.....off course, it is difficult for you to understand....
Well my point is that its India who refuses to talk, not Pakistan.
And you have to accept that taking an ant-Pakistan line wins political points, especially with India's new middle class (the Gurgaon crowd) who have a pathological hatred of Pakistan.
Well my point is that its India who refuses to talk, not Pakistan.
And you have to accept that taking an ant-Pakistan line wins political points, especially with India's new middle class (the Gurgaon crowd) who have a pathological hatred of Pakistan.
mein to majboor hoon
aap ki baat maanni parhe gi :(
We definitely do support a Pakistan that minds its own business...
well then tell ur own government to keep their mouth shut
ho sake to forever and not to shout at pakistan every week and blame pakistan
for every petty little problem that indian government cannot solve themselfs.
Well my point is that its India who refuses to talk, not Pakistan.
And you have to accept that taking an ant-Pakistan line wins political points, especially with India's new middle class (the Gurgaon crowd) who have a pathological hatred of Pakistan.
again you are giving conclusions....
and for your information this Gurgaon crowd has got nothing to do with boundaries. if you, your country, want to skill in IT technology, marketting analisys etc (instead of playing with your ideological terrorism), the same Gurgaon crowd will be there to guide you.
and for your information this Gurgaon crowd has got nothing to do with boundaries. if you, your country, want to skill in IT technology, marketting analisys etc (instead of playing with your ideological terrorism), the same Gurgaon crowd will be there to guide you.
I started off by saying that all this talk about India distingerating is rubbish. I accepted that the Indian economy is improving, and appreciated the stable political system. So you can't put me in the fundo Jihadi category, or accuse me of "ideological terrorism". For your information, I have visited India twice, and have spoken to this new Indian middle class. This particular social group in India is the most anti-Pakistan, or dear I say anti-Muslim. So I know what I am talking about. The ordinary Indian I spoke was welcoming, but this new "mall" crowd does have extreme views. They are also a vocal minority, and the Congress is desperate for its support, as they have traditionaly supported the BJP. So after the Mumbai, the Indian government had to no interest to resolve this issue by talking to the Pakistanis, to defang the LET. Instead they did a lot of grand standing.
I started off by saying that all this talk about India distingerating is rubbish. I accepted that the Indian economy is improving, and appreciated the stable political system. So you can't put me in the fundo Jihadi category, or accuse me of "ideological terrorism". For your information, I have visited India twice, and have spoken to this new Indian middle class. This particular social group in India is the most anti-Pakistan, or dear I say anti-Muslim. So I know what I am talking about. The ordinary Indian I spoke was welcoming, but this new "mall" crowd does have extreme views. They are also a vocal minority, and the Congress is desperate for its support, as they have traditionaly supported the BJP. So after the Mumbai, the Indian government had to no interest to resolve this issue by talking to the Pakistanis, to defang the LET. Instead they did a lot of grand standing.
Ditto. India has stubbornly adopted a belligerent stance primarily because anti-Pakistan rhetoric helps garner votes of the pro-BJP middle classes. In contrast, electoral success of neither PPP nor PMLN- the two major players in the Pakistani political landscape- hinge on adoption of anti-India stance. Even Imran Khan, leader of the third relatively influential party, despite his penchant to embrace more radical/outlandish notions, is not an advocate of hostility with Pakistan's eastern neighbour.
While the reluctance, from educated, rational people no less, to mend relations might seem curios at first, I don't think it is very surprising on hindsight. After all, people of Pakistan do not feel victims of the great twin theft, that is the dismemberment of the indivisible 'mother' India by people who converted from the religion native to the land.
After all, people of Pakistan do not feel victims of the great twin theft, that is the dismemberment of the indivisible 'mother' India by people who converted from the religion native to the land.
Actually, that explains everything. I was really shocked at the views expressed by those who looked superficialy westernised. Some real crude representations of Pakistanis and Muslims. You will never get those sort of views exprssed by their Pakistani counterparts.
I started off by saying that all this talk about India distingerating is rubbish. I accepted that the Indian economy is improving, and appreciated the stable political system. So you can't put me in the fundo Jihadi category, or accuse me of "ideological terrorism". For your information, I have visited India twice, and have spoken to this new Indian middle class. **This particular social group in India is the most anti-Pakistan, or dear I say anti-Muslim. So I know what I am talking about. The ordinary Indian I spoke was welcoming, but this new "mall" crowd does have extreme views. **They are also a vocal minority, and the Congress is desperate for its support, as they have traditionaly supported the BJP. So after the Mumbai, the Indian government had to no interest to resolve this issue by talking to the Pakistanis, to defang the LET. Instead they did a lot of grand standing.
is not it very strange that you were roaming arround in malls in gurgaon and were freely asking the youth...how do they hate muslims and pakistan...and were getting a confirmed reply....
and re..this gurgaon stuff' support for bjp....just find out how many seats bjp has won in two elite cities..delhi and gurgaon. in last elections....
re/ideological terrorism....it has become identical with your societies, not for other' fault...there is nothing personal.
you must give up the bad bad hobby to come to conclusions.....without a proper knowledge...
Lets start with the Mumbai attack. The Pak foreign minister was actually in India, when the attack took place. Instead of using this opportunity to really work with the Zardari government to deal with the Jihadi menace, there was a lot of grand standing. If you want the LET dismantled, you need to provide the evidence. Instead, all we got was an ultimatum. I know for a fact, that the Indian establishment knew that there posturing was not going to produce any result, except that they could tell the average Indian how tough they have been with Pakistan.
The issue of Kashmir is distinct from say Murshidabad or the Lakshadweep, which are Muslim majority areas in India. It is disputed territory, not your land, and it needs to be resolved.
Now there are things we in Pakistan could learn from India, particularly with regards to the stable political set up and abolishment of the feudal system. But I can't point these out to my Pakistani co-nationals, if the Indian army is killing kids and raping women in the Kashmir valley.
I know we are digressing from the topic.Let us for a few minutes that Pakistan is really interested in taking action against the perpetrators of the Mumbai attack. It could have launched its own investigations to find out what Kasab was doing prior to him springing up in Mumbai. What were the groups that he met with, people who trained him etc. What India got was only flip flops from the Pakistani Administration. Kasab was supposed to be a Pakistani one day, next day he was not. After sometime, it was alleged that he was kidnapped from Nepal...
I understand that the issue Kashmir is distinct. But the problem is that things cannot be changed just like that.
Hindus of India have always submitted to the invaders and lived under their domination. I don't think Indians can handle this 'independence'. I can tell when I see them misbehave with their neighbours as Sri Lanka, Bangla Desh, Nepal, China and no doubt Pakistan. I think they need Taliban to capture their temples as they did under Mehmud Ghaznavi.
That's the reason why Pakistan named their missiles as Ghauri, Ghaznavi etc.
And that's why ISI was using Taliban against Indian Extremists in Kashmir.
I hope when Americans run off from Afghanistan as their defeat is eminent, Taliban will be led to India by Pakistani ISI as Indian separatists have not yet grown balls to get Indians clean bowled.