Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
How long will it take Punjab government to setup a hydel plant and should the industry get destroyed in the mean while? The way things are going all provinces will need to generate their own electricity to some extent.
Punjab Govt Plans to setup Hydel power project!!!
They should've played smart here... knowing a cunning wadera and peer is sitting the center, SS should have not worked on Nandi-pur hydel project ( but if he haven't done it, then we would be blaming him for not having any such project in his province), infact, Punjab Govt should have invested in the hydel power projects up in the northern region, specially in GB region.... but then i know about a 800 MW project which is in KPK and investors and promoters are from Punjab, and the project have been put on the back burner by the KPK and Federal Govt...
The smart thing should've been is to have good working relationship with KPK govt, and had things their way by installing power plants on the hydel resources of KPK, same applies on AJK... and on the same note, when SS was busy talking with Chinese over a Hydel power plant, he should have brought the possibility of having Nuclear Power Plant... ( some of people i know who are close to SS told me that SS tried to explore this opportunity with Chinese but issue seems to be more sensitive and federal in nature)...
Anyway, alone Punjab or any other province cannot do much, no matter how smartly they work or act!!! specially when the central govt is hell bent on corruption and want to destroy the industrial sector of any particular region!!!
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
^ industry is willing to pay any amount to have uninterrupted supply of electricity, and the coal fired plant would be still cheaper as compared to what they are paying for an unpredictable supply from lesco. As far as coal fired plants are concerned indias installed capacity is 55%, in the long run it would make sense to go for hydel projects but I see many years before one is up and running and by then maybe it would be very late for the industry. I think this is a good initiative to feed the industrial areas from their own power plants and needs to be replicated in other industrial areas as well.
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
^ industry is will to pay any amount to have uninterrupted supply of electricity, and the coal fired plant would be still cheaper as compared to what they are paying for an unpredictable supply. As far as coal fired plants are concerned indias installs capacity is 55%, in the long run it would make sense to go for hydel projects but I see many years before one is up and running and by then maybe it would be very late for the industry. I think this is a good initiative to feed the industrial areas from their own power supplies and need to be replicated in other industrial areas as well.
Oh bhai,
how many 50MW coal fire plants india have, and how many they have in the middle of the country!!! US have more Coal fire plants then India have and China is on top when it comes to Power generation from Coal!!! but is it feasible to you???? to me, there is no difference to coal or oil for Pakistan, both require hefty foreign exchange... and for Allah's sake, for once come out of this short-term solution thing... we did it in 90s and are now being black-mailed or if the forum allowed me, are being constantly screwed by the oil-mafia, you want to create another coal mafia, why not produce electricity when you have resources..
India is not installing Coal plants blindly, they are working on Hydel power projects as well, and because the demand for electricity is huge and is growing by day, they are bound to use, Wind, Coal and even oil fired plants and on the same note, Indians are acquiring coal mines and oil blocks in other countries as well along with installing small, med size oil refineries in their country ... so you do not compare it with them... there is a whole lot of planning and implementation going on there!!! there is reason US want India to disintegrate!!! but that is totally different topic
Coming back to Pakistan, we have Hydel resources, we need to concentrate on that! period, once this resource is fully utilized then only we should look for Coal or any other source!!!
And you say Industry is willing to pay any price??? are you sure about it??? Industry is not worry at all about the cost of production/operation???? with the competitors likes of Bangladesh, India and China who are producing at much lower rates and are able to sell their product at less price compare to Pakistan???
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
Ok agreed oil and coal both are unfeasible, what should Punjab do? I don't think that Punjab government can invest in power projects in kp. As far as Punjab's own hydel projects are concerned nandipur is in the back burner and for taunsa hydel power project Chinese have refused to go ahead without sovereign guarantee from federal government. The federal government is not working on hydel, so what should Punjab do now? Wait for the next elections and hope that pmln comes to power in center? What's the solution? How long can the industry survive on 16-22 hours loadshedding?
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
Btw the 50-100 Mw I think should be ok for the industry, for supplying power to the masses we will need to go for hydel. At the moment most important is the industry, people have been suffering for the past 5 years they can wait for a few more years but if it takes us years to resolve this issue for the industry by then the industry will have relocated to Bangladesh.
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
^^^ It is not only matter or Punjab Govt!!! the Central Govt should look into it!!! Remember Punjab does not run the whole the country, the central govt does!!! and the 16-20 hours of power cuts are because of corrupt and short sighted central govt!!!
the Nandi pur project another example how center can put project on back burner and Taunsa project different example again, in Nandipur they central govt sits on the equipment for 2 years and is now asking for custom duty and other charges and in taunsa they are just refusing straight away.
So in conclusion, Punjab cant do much on this!!! and like the center is, i am sure they won't let the supply of the coal to the site area for power generation too.. so the solution to this is to have leadership who believes in industrial development!!!
It is like, you can have state-of-art power plant but if chief engineer do not want to run it in proper manner... it won't work!!!
The removing of central govt is option came into being when all other options were tried !!!
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
Btw the 50-100 Mw I think should be ok for the industry, for supplying power to the masses we will need to go for hydel. At the moment most important is the industry, people have been suffering for the past 5 years they can wait for a few more years but if it takes us years to resolve this issue for the industry by then the industry will have relocated to Bangladesh.
In that case, you should know that the installed capacity of Pakistan is 20,000MW... and if oil and gas is supplied to the these units, there is no need for any kind of power cuts through out the country!!! why you easily miss this point.... are you again heading for RPPs, where they used the same logic, i.e., lets have small, 50-100 MW RPP to combat the power crisis????
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
In that case, you should know that the installed capacity of Pakistan is 20,000MW... and if oil and gas is supplied to the these units, there is no need for any kind of power cuts through out the country!!! why you easily miss this point.... are you again heading for RPPs, where they used the same logic, i.e., lets have small, 50-100 MW RPP to combat the power crisis????
hanibal Bhai, you seem to be very knowledgeable about Electric generation power plants, there is a simple question I would like to ask you if you don't mind telling me..........
How much are the transmission losses due to the distribution grid from a central Power Plant?
and I am not talking about people stealing by using kunda!
Re: Industrialization of Pakistan
hanibal Bhai, you seem to be very knowledgeable about Electric generation power plants, there is a simple question I would like to ask you if you don't mind telling me..........
How much are the transmission losses due to the distribution grid from a central Power Plant?
and I am not talking about people stealing by using kunda!
transmission losses are about 30 percent, due to poor quality infrastructure and a significant amount of power theft. It can be counted aroung 50% or more if we include the people who do not pay bills at all!!!
ideally to my limited knowledge, the transmission losses should be in range of 3-6% but we have not invested in the transmission infrastructure so even if we take care of the theft and Kunda System and bill payments, these transmission losses stat. would be around 10-12% which is again on the high side..