India's untouchables denied tsunami aid!!

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"still indians are bettter overall than pakistanis this is truth i know since iam
minority too."

buddy dont generalize like that.. besides thats not the idea of the topic... someone's accusing the govt. of discriminating against low caste people.. i agree that casteism still exists in india (in pockets) but govt. doesnt discriminiate in fact they are the govt.'s golden child.. govt. has given them reservation for almost 50 years.. everywhere u go there is reservation for sc/st, mbc, obc, dnc etc etc. but still people complain that they are being discriminated against.. there is only so much govt. can focus during such disasters... they have a zillion people to give relief material to.. they cant be monitoring if their foodstuff is being snatched by someone else... of course i am not defending govt.'s lack of organization here... but u cant equate that to a official hatred for lower castes.

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sorry, someone is not accusing government actively discriminating, but of not doing enough to save its own citizens, from its own citizens, in its own govt camps where its own officials are sitting.

Lets just be clear on that.

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Disgusting! These guys who denied the aid to those suffering need to be lined up and shot!

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I cannot understand the refree system in this thread.
Some have offered Islam for India for resolving caste discrimination, and when counter questioned these idiots demand to stick to the topic.
What is this imbalance thinking.

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you cant judge the whole relief effort on few incidants there is some positive
attitude coming out of this tragedy

One of the first places to provide shelter to displaced survivors was Neelayathatchi Amman Temple. Built 2,000 years ago, it is an important Hindu shrine, according to Sethurama Gurukkal, who has officiated at the temple for 20 years. A Brahmin priest, his old-school training would normally look askance at the ritual impurities and inconveniences of more than a thousand people eating, sleeping, and washing clothes within temple walls. On top of that, UNICEF has built toilet facilities in the temple’s front yard.

Yet Mr. Gurukkal doesn’t mind. “When these people are in distress, how can we speak of our inconveniences?” he says.

The people camping at the temple belong to fishing communities that make up the bottom of the caste hierarchy, or are not Hindu at all.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0103/p10s01-wosc.html

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I am not judging the entire relief effort. I am talking about this particular incident. I find it repulsive and hope that the indian govt slaps the perps till their faces are purple.

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Media should be responsible for reporting such incidents.

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After centuries of the caste system, its an almost built in reaction of Hindus of higher castes,to place others below themselves....not sure how it can ever change, with officials thinking, obviously, that they, too, are above the untouchables....I find it disgusting, and unacceptable that people cannot learn to treat each other as equals...let us hope that will someday change, and these people affected by the tsunami will receive the help they deserve and so desperatley need.

This, afterall was an equal-oppurtunity disaster.

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You’d have thought this point be made and the thread would be over by now!? Amazing how someone actually tries to justify what is going on innit rvikz?

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anyhow, in light of this situation, are things being done differently at the camps now? I have not heard anything else. maybe some of you more in tune with Indian press could share some info. Thanks

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well things are not improving…unfortunately, indians are not ready to forget their marginal differences with each other over petty religious and political issues…some more reports from indian press…

http://www.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=40565&headline=Tsunami:~Hindus,~Christians~fight

Hindus, Christians fight over tsunami victims

Reuters
Posted online: Monday, January 10, 2005 at 1248 hours IST
Updated: Monday, January 10, 2005 at 1252 hours IST

Bamboo Flat, January 10: Mohammed Shaheen, who survived the tsunami that devastated Andaman and Nicobar islands, stands outside a relief camp as Christian and Hindu groups argue over who would run it.

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“How can you be fighting over victims?” asks a dazed and shocked Shaheen, who has just arrived after a navy ship picked him up from Katchal island, where about half the 8,800 residents are still missing.

A group led by Christian aid agencies says the administration in the islands’ capital, Port Blair, gave them the camp. The other group, affiliated with RSS, insists it is theirs.

After a while, they thrash out a compromise: the Hindu group linked to the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) will run it for the first week, then the Christian group.

But it’s too late for Shaheen. Disgusted, he and his family pack their bags and move to another camp on Bamboo Flat island, 45 km (30 miles) from Port Blair.

“We are more comfortable here, there is no dispute here,” he says, standing outside the tented camp on a hillside overlooking a smashed jetty.

BATTLE FOR INFLUENCE

Scores of volunteers from Hindu, Christian and Muslim groups have landed in the palm-fringed chain of islands, more than 1,200 km (745 miles) from mainland India, offering everything from food and water to solace and self-healing tips to the survivors.

“There is a competition going on, both religious and political,” said Madhu Krishan, head of Islanders Sangatthan Manch, a group campaigning against an influx of outsiders to protect the fragile ecological balance and the traditions of primitive tribes largely untouched by the modern world.

“There is already too much upheaval, displacement. This kind of competing for influence makes it worse,” he said.

Hindu and Christian groups have long been at odds on the mainland with Hindu hardliners accusing Christian missionaries of effectively bribing poor people and tribals to take part in mass conversions.

Christians, who make up barely 2 per cent of mainly Hindu but officially secular India, say all conversions are voluntary and in turn accuse Hindu radicals of whipping up a climate of distrust and fear against the tiny community.

The two sides have also been active in the Andaman and Nicobar islands, whose 350,000 people are largely Hindu, from descendants of settlers who arrived during the British Raj to more recent migrants.

But there are also about 30,000 Nicobarese tribals, the largest of about half a dozen tribes. They are mostly Christian and there is a small number of Muslims living in the Nicobar group, where outsiders are barred without government permission.

Christian groups say scores of Hindu volunteers have been allowed into the outlying islands ostensibly for relief work, while they have been discouraged from travelling.

“We were told volunteers are already in the area, so you needn’t go there,” said Alex Joseph from the New Delhi-based Christian group, the Discipleship Centre.

But the Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram, an affiliate of the RSS which focuses on tribal welfare, said the tsunami was a humanitarian disaster, and had nothing to do with religion. It instead accuses Christian agencies of partisanship in relief work.

Mukesh Kumar Gupta, secretary of the Hindu group, says he ran a relief camp for five days for about 900 Nicobarese Christians without s single complaint.

But last week, a Nicobarese tribal leader arrived, saying he wanted to shift all the Nicobarese to a bigger camp.

“The survivors were very happy here, they didn’t want to move, but some people could not stomach the idea of Christians in our camp. As far as we were concerned, it didn’t matter who they were,” he said.

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Rights body says India’s tsunami relief efforts ‘pathetic’

Mon Jan 10, 3:07 PM ET South Asia - AFP

NEW DELHI (AFP) - An Asian human rights group described India’s relief efforts in tsunami affected areas as “pathetic”, a charge strongly denied by the government.

“The Asian Human Rights Commission (AHRC) is extremely concerned about the pathetic state of relief operations carried out in India for victims of the tsunami, especially in the states of Tamil Nadu and Pondicherry as well as the Andaman and Nicobar islands,” the Hong Kong based organisation said in a statement.

“The information we have received from the two states worst hit is highly disturbing,” the organisation said.

It levelled a host of allegations including a lack of coordination between various agencies, aid mismanagement, caste discrimination in distribution of supplies, early shutting down of relief centres and a “meagre” quantity of relief being doled out to the thousands of survivors.

“The assistance in some areas is overlapped whereas other affected places are being completely ignored,” it said.

“The AHRC is particularly concerned about reports that many remote villages are totally neglected due to caste discrimination and political allegiance. Such discrimination is absolutely inhuman and calls for international criticism.”

India’s tsunami death toll Monday stood at 10,136 with 5,630 still missing and feared dead.

A senior government official strongly denied the AHRC findings saying India’s relief efforts have been “appreciated” all over.

“We don’t agree with this assessment,” home ministry official Onkarmal Kedia told AFP.

“There has been all round appreciation of the relief operations,” he said.

“The government got going from day one. We evacuated thousands of people and relief supplies have gone by ships and planes to far off places including many remote regions of the Andaman and Nicobar islands.”

The rights body charged that relief material being distributed was less than that required.

Only eight kilos (17.6 pounds) of rice and 12,000 rupees (260 dollars) for house reconstruction is being given to each family in Pondicherry, it said.

In worst-affected Tamil Nadu state, where almost 8,000 people died, the amount of rice distributed per family was 60 kilogrammes and the amount paid for reconstruction was still just 8,000 rupees, the rights group said.

It further alleged that rice being distributed near Pondicherry University was infested with worms and unfit for human consumption.

The group highlighted the case of Kadapakuppam and Pattipulam areas of Kachipuram district in Tamil Nadu, where it said no relief had got through.

“Despite complaints by the villagers in these two places, no government officials or NGO have turned up to help the people now living in rubble.”

India, which shunned foreign assistance to deal with the crisis, has claimed to be on top of the relief efforts, which are being personally monitored by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh.

It has dispatched over 4,000 troops to disaster areas, airdropped food and sent navy ships carrying tonnes of aid. It has also sent vessels to Indonesia, the Maldives and Sri Lanka besides announcing relief packages for Thailand.

A special crisis management cell has been set up to monitor relief measures.

Some aid agencies like the United Nations (news - web sites) Children’s agency UNICEF (news - web sites) have lauded the government effort, especially with regard to the health situation. There have so far been no outbreaks of disease, as had been feared.

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Stop blaming the Brahmins.

If you are a Brahmin you can get reincarnated into a lower caste or if a Sudra you can come come back as an animal for your "sins".

It is all about good karma and bad karma. Good karma means you move up in station, bad karma means you move down. If you have bad karma, you may be born into a poor family, with a mother who is a crack-whore, and a deadbeat father. Doesn't mean you are stuck there forever.

a) The Buddhist explains this the best - your bad karma will eventually run out, and your situation will improve in the next birth.

b) Not only does bad karma run out, but you can negate it with good karma.

c) Similarly, good karma runs out, and a person born into nobility/aristocracy/whatever, will eventually move back down.

d) To break out of this cycle of birth and rebirth, we have to move beyond it, and realize the Ultimate Reality.

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The tsunami tragedy has done more. A society riven by huge divides between the rich and the poor, the well-born and the lower castes, is being united. It has brought together Indians of all backgrounds to help each other, the rich and the middle class standing shoulder to shoulder with the poor, assisting those who have lost their homes, livelihoods, and families. India’s rising middle classes know that if they don’t include the poor in their agenda of economic growth, their own efforts will be negated.

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yaaaawn.. and i thot this topic was over and done with... sigh people (incl. moi) are soooooo jobless