they can blame the wrong doings of sum individuals on the whole nation n u r worried abt the difference b/w Invasion n violation . it’s not the time 4 being politically correct any more, it’s time for doing sumthing to retain our dignity. whether it’s a technical error or a pre planned jesture just to ignite the fire I m going to call it invasion in my land
you took it too seriously.. the point is that ppl start to believe as if there was really an **invasion, **which was only reported after like 10 hours it took place..In tense situations its better not to spread even a slightest of wrong word, cause these words can really engage two nuclear powers in war.
This is one reason Pakistan is really acting lil passively at the moment, no matter how much the public at both sides is charged up.
Let Indians blame whatever and whoever they can, but the world is not an idiot to know the truth. The world knows that Pakistan is a suffering big by terrorism on its own soil.
India’s air force geared up for possible missions against suspected terrorist camps in Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of the last month’s Mumbai attacks, U.S. military officials told CNN Monday.
Also, one of the Pentagon officials confirmed that the United States has intelligence indicating a single Indian aircraft violated Pakistani airspace twice on Saturday. The United States believes the incursion was inadvertent, the official said, adding that there is no information to indicate it was planned.
For those of you who don't military tactics: THIS IS A COMMON STRATERGY to determine:
1: How quick does the enemy respond.
2: How quickly were enemy aircraft put into the air
3: How quickly was the anti-aircraft radars turned on and how long did it take them to spot the aircraft.
4:What kind of radars were turned on, what were the ranges on these radars
5: Where are the hidden radar sites, the enemy will be forced to turn them on
6: Where are the hidden anti-aircraft missiles: the enemy will be forced to turn them on
thanks and something of that sort happened when israel attacked syria i guess.
they first sent in unmanned drones activated their radar sites and then planes came and bombed them.
and i consider this as probing.
i would really appreciate if some one can answer my question regarding tackling mig259 and su30mk ...
i am not sure about su30's capabilities but had we acquired something to tackle mig25, as i remember we didnt had a thing to do something about them over 60000ft ceiling.
India currently has the superior air force in the region, and thanks to the new PPP government's decision to cut the defence budget, India will remain superior in the air for quite some time.
I wonder where are those people now who wanted to cut the defence budget.
For those of you who don't military tactics: THIS IS A COMMON STRATERGY to determine:
1: How quick does the enemy respond.
2: How quickly were enemy aircraft put into the air
3: How quickly was the anti-aircraft radars turned on and how long did it take them to spot the aircraft.
4:What kind of radars were turned on, what were the ranges on these radars
5: Where are the hidden radar sites, the enemy will be forced to turn them on
6: Where are the hidden anti-aircraft missiles: the enemy will be forced to turn them on
3: Anti-aircraft radars are always turned on, 24/7. And even if it spots the enemy aircraft, it is impossible for the enemy to know if it has been spotted or not.
4: Impossible for enemy aircraft to detect what kinds of radars are turned on and what the ranges are.
5: Irrelevant, and almost no way to detect hidden radars.
6: Irrelevant, and amost no way to detect hidden AAM.
Even if what you said was true, IAF would not need to cross the borders to observe these, because radio/heat waves travel well beyond the geographical borders. Crossing 10 km in to Pakistani airspace would make no difference since most long range Pakistani radars have a tracking range of 100's of kilometres.
1- The aim for a 'probe' is to Force the other country to turn on the hidden radars and anti-aircraft systems and thus determine where they are.
2- It is easy to determine the type of radar by various techniques.
3- It is very easy for a airplane to know if they have been scanned by a radar. (EVEN my car has a police radar detector)
US aircraft in Iraq operated during the Gulf Wars by:
1-flying into iraq,
2-forcing the iraqis to turn on their anti-aircraft systems,
3-getting a radar lock on the iraqi radar,
4-blasting a missile at the rader site by using the rader lock.
1- The aim for a 'probe' is to Force the other country to turn on the hidden radars and anti-aircraft systems and thus determine where they are.
2- It is easy to determine the type of radar by various techniques.
3- It is very easy for a airplane to know if they have been scanned by a radar.
(EVEN my car has a police radar detector)
US aircraft in Iraq operated during the Gulf Wars by:
1-flying into iraq,
2-forcing the iraqis to turn on their anti-aircraft systems,
3-getting a radar lock on the iraqi radar,
4-blasting a missile at the rader site by using the rader lock.
1- Radars and Anti-aircraft systems are turned on 24/7, hidden or not. You really don't think that there are people sitting on the border waiting for an enemy incursion, who then say: "ohh enemy is here, lets turn on our radars"?
2- Elaborate on these 'techniques'. Also explain how an enemy aircraft can determine a passive ground-based radar (which emits no radio or heat waves).
3- How easy is it? Please explain.
The US destroyed the Iraqi old generation, limited range radars using anti-radiation missiles. The Iraqi radars were always on. How can you even know that an enemy has crossed your borders if your radars are turned off? What you are saying makes no sense. Moreover, modern day air surveillance radars, including the Pakistani AN/TPS-77, JYL-1, JL3D-90A and JY-11D cover long ranges using transponders which are spread out far away from the actual radar sites. Enemy anti-radar weapons home-in on the reflected signals (not the emitted ones), and reflected signals are received by transponders (not the actual ground-based radar). So, the most that an aircraft can do is destroy the transponders (which are dozens in numbers). Also, the Pakistan VERA radars do not emit any radiation waves, therefore, it is impossible for anyone to detect the system.
Police radars are simple send-receive systems. Air-surveillance radars are very sophisticated.
there is definitely big difference in technology being used in RADARS and AWACS as compared to regular police speed radar detectors.
Also the main radar sites are not on the very edge of the borders, they are most of the times a couple of hundred KM inside the territory, which can prevent any attack missile from this far.
The current Pakistani system AN/TP77 is capable of 450KM+ range.
It is geeting a bit confusing. Earlier the Pakistani government said that the Indian aircrafts flying into Pakistan was just a mistake, but now the word ‘violation’ is being being used. What is the real story?
President, PM discuss violation of airspace by Indian aircraft
ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani met President Asif Ali Zardari on Monday to discuss the latest security situation.
Sources said the two leaders also discussed the violation of Pakistani airspace by Indian aircraft.Both leaders agreed that such violations were against the spirit of goodwill shown by Pakistanby offering co-operation in the investigation of the Mumbai terror attacks, and such acts would not be tolerated in future.
President Zardari said Pakistan would not let anyone use its territory for terrorism, adding Pakistan was conducting its own investigation into the Mumbai attacks and would act if any Pakistani were involved in it.
The prime minister said Pakistan was fighting the war on terror for its own sake and asked the international community to help Pakistan take the fight to its logical conclusion. The sources said both leaders agreed that the government would consult the country’s political leadership and would take it on board regarding any decision on the current crises. National Security Adviser Mehmud Ali Durrani was also present.
It might be confusing for people who call Zardari “great”, however Zardari tried to downplay the “incident” for international audience while keeping it realistic for Pakistan itself.
I love this reply post !!
And I’m so much relieved by this to understand what/how our arch enemy India thinks about Pakistani Armed Forces specialy PAF.
You know such deceptions realy work in the surprice element in favour of the one who thinks he has deceived the deception in order to dismiss the deceptor, errr som’thin li tat ,
What you think ? one of the most famed and well trained Airforce in the world don’t know how to handle such situations tactfuly ?
But your part reply was correct. It was probing sorties by the IAF.
Encouraging for PAF that it lasted for less than a time to ‘lock-in’ weapons. Which means IAF has less courage-time to engage in any kind of probe mission let alone surgical strike.
Bravo PAF !!!
*If 10 men can hold off the NSG commandos and the police for three days, and if it takes half a million soldiers to hold down the Kashmir valley, do the math. What kind of Homeland Security can secure India? *
. it’s not the time 4 being politically correct any more, it’s time for doing sumthing to retain our dignity. whether it’s a technical error or a pre planned jesture just to ignite the fire I m going to call it invasion in my land
