INDIA withdraws report on hindu god RAM

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/\/\/\Explain me how it comes against your religion? Or accept that the frase has offended you.

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A 10 year old kid should understand what a fatwa is and ask him/her for who uses the word fatwa and answer will be Muslims.

Now you wanna play safe and remember one more anjjann the incidents you are talking about burning,destroying property is during the time of denmark incidents. and indirectly blaming the muslims. Keep denying and later talk about being honest.

Well Anjjann think over, you are not the only smart arse floating around here.

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I do not understand if you are praising yourself, criticizing yourself or getting offended.

Whereas It is well understood during the present crisis that Hindu ethics know how to maintain patience.
And Hindu ethics are derived from Rama....is difficult for you to understand.

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Good so u havent understood great now everyone knows who is being offended and who is not so let the public know. According to you i am getting offended i agree with it.

Yes hindu ethics are derived from Rama which i respect but i dont respect your views because they are derived from you. Remember i never condemned hindu as a religion its you who has got this hindu problem again.

I respect if people derive ethics from Rama who is venerated but when you pass such a comment the same attitude should be reflected in your statements but unfortunately you dont.

Thhis is not the first time you have tried to attack muslims you have done it umpteen no. of times, even for so innocous reasons also. But i still fail to understand why the hell on earth you shud taunt muslims damn, God alone knows they might be a report tomorrow stating the Muslims were involved in this conspiracy regarding the existence of Ram.

When i respect the hindu's believe and sentiments i expect the same from you too (i am sorry it has never reflected in your statements this is through 1 years of observation if you feel its intuitive its not). But you are not the only one who is filled with venom in your heart, ofcourse in the other blogs i have seen the same points and comments were passed, well now i see how these teachings are derived from Rama.

Its better we come to a common platform rather than to play the blame game, i can infact say proudly that i had a Hindu friend living in my house as a family member for 3 years talk about secularism.

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SlaveofAllaah you have dragged Islam and Muslims into this discussion. It’s absolutely your problem, not mine.

I can tell you that from my side, their is nothing personal against any individual....as it seems that you have taken all records against you in person.

You are a good man and have many friends from other faiths....it is not a discussion for resolving personal matters and making heavy claims. In India usually a common Hindu never thinks in terms and conditions of faiths. These ethics we have derived from Rama.

In these threads I can find a lot of matters against Hindus and India, but usually I do not find a tendency among Hindus and Indians to loss patience.

And, *kindly * tell me how Hindus should have reacted in the presence scenario in India???

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[quote="anjjan"]

SlaveofAllaah you have dragged Islam and Muslims into this discussion. It’s absolutely your problem, not mine.

I can tell you that from my side, their is nothing personal against any individual....as it seems that you have taken all records against you in person.

You are a good man and have many friends from other faiths....it is not a discussion for resolving personal matters and making heavy claims. In India usually a common Hindu never thinks in terms and conditions of faiths. These ethics we have derived from Rama.

In these threads I can find a lot of matters against Hindus and India, but usually I do not find a tendency among Hindus and Indians to loss patience.

And, kindly tell me how Hindus should have reacted in the presence scenario in India???/quote]

Regarding the bold part (the rest part of the post i am avoiding i fear we might get onto personal mud slinging),

I feel hindus

1) They have gone ahead with the strike i would also do it coz keep quiet is not a solution no way.
2) A personal team of expert archaelogists should be appointed to go ahead with a scientific evidence here we should remember not to get any political agend now tahts inevitable.
3) A good insight about the biography of Rama should be produced, with authentic saying documented and spread across the community.

I feel the three points mentioned above should be fine, overall since its a fight withing the Hindu faith itself, thats one reason i dont see any plundering but if it was inter-religious then consequences today would be totally different.

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the hindus shouldnt care....faith afterall is blind!!!!

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I absolutely do not agree to any of the above. Ram lives in the soul of millions of Indians and no scientific survey and archeological results will be able to change that.

And who told you that Hindus have a copyright over Rama?
Rama belongs to all humanity and mankind and not just to a particular class or a bunch of politicians.

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I absolutely agree with you on the bold part. The italicized part i feel if RAma belongs to the mankind and not particular class then they are billions deprived of such mercy and if thats the case the world should be know regarding this fact.

Regards,

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Ganesha, Ram and India

Was browsing this blog on this issue.

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chill out guys.. this discussion is a bit too heated.

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denada seeing the blog already seen couple of it that was pretty heated too.

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Don't drag your hatred of Islam and *fataawaa *into everything.

Your own commmunities records are not exactly pristine either mate. All those things you mentioned have been carried out by Hindus against both maleech Muslims and your own low caste shudra and dalit Hindus.

Is this the same Ram who in the Ramayana kills Shambuka for doing tapasya (meditation) as a shudra (low-caste)?

Is this the same “omniscient” Rama who treated his wife Sita harshly after the latter’s rescue from Ravana, because he wrongly doubted her fidelity and didn’t consider her good enough for himself because she’d spent so long in the custody of another man?

If you’re not going to respect other peoples dharma then don’t expect any for your own.

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^that's a key question, if ethics of Hindus are drawn from Rama, these need to be explained.

I do have asked and received an explanation for the 2nd question - that she was made to go through fire to prove to the world that she was still pure.

Don't know anythng about the killing of shanbu etc. I think Rama killed Ravana, a demon king

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After googling, the story of shambuka is found in 'uttara-kanda' part of ramayana. It is the very same part which is considered by some as having been added/made a part of ramayana by later brahmins/upper castes. Some even argue that it is this 'uttara-kanda' which first called rama as a God. Now even other parts might also do the same. Inspite of all this, me being a hindu do not consider rama as any enlightened soul nor was he any god though earlier i did.

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Rama was really no enlighted soul to me. he had a flawed character. but he was a great man al together. he was close to real life man like no other mythological character was.
and about the Shambuka part, here is an extract from wikipedia:

Story
The oldest mention of Shambuka occurs in the Ramayana of Valmiki, in the last book of the epic Uttara-kanda. After Lord Rama returns to Ayodhya and is crowned the king of Ayodhya, the death of a child occurs in the kingdom[1]](Shambuka - Wikipedia). He is told that calamities such as this occur when Dharma is not followed in a kingdom. Rama tries to find out the reason and comes to know that a person of the Shudra jati, called Shambuka is performing penance which he is not supposed to do according to the Varna system of rules prevailing in that period[2]](Shambuka - Wikipedia). He is executed, by beheading, personally by Rama[3]](Shambuka - Wikipedia)
The place where Shambuka was beheaded is identified as the hill of Ramtek, near Nagpur in Maharashtra.[4]](Shambuka - Wikipedia)

edit] Unlikely Story

This story of Shamnuka seems false as Lord Rama cared for all human beings and was around peoples from all castes. For example, Maharishi Valmiki, the composer of the original Ramayana is a casteless tribal. Lord Rama, while searching for Sita Devi together with His brother Laxmana was offered half-eaten ‘ber’ from a Bhil tribal devotee - Rama and Laxmana gladly accepted and ate her remnants. Maharishi Narada was a great devotee of Shri Rama and came from a Shudra caste and himself taught Ratnakar or Vailya (yet to become Valmiki) to meditate on the mantra “Rama Rama”. Maharishi Vashista was a son of a prostitute and a guru of Lord Rama.[5]](Shambuka - Wikipedia) Maharishi Parashara, son of an outcaste woman (Matsyakanya-Satyavathi Devi) and narrated the stories of the 10 avatars of Vishnu. Shri Rama and Shri Laxmana also went to the Ashram of Matanga Muni, a Mang outcaste that became a Brahmana.
Lord Rama after all was the “noble that cared for the equality of all.”

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[quote="“sweet_taboo, post:46, topic:168966"”]

Is this the same Ram who in the Ramayana kills Shambuka for doing tapasya (meditation) as a shudra (low-caste)?

Is this the same “omniscient” Rama who treated his wife Sita harshly after the latter’s rescue from Ravana, because he wrongly doubted her fidelity and didn’t consider her good enough for himself because she’d spent so long in the custody of another man?

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Who composed Ramayan?
Valmiki composed Ramayana or it was compiled over centuries by different authors is a question of debate.

Rama killed some woman from a low cast or he sacked his wife after victory over Ravan………it definitely took place or was added to the story of Rama by some unknown authors?

But one thing is certain that Rama breaths in the hearts and the souls of millions and millions and is beyond question.

I have never attended any fundamental religious school in my childhood and I have no interest or complexes to justify or to look for excuses for the acts of our heroes.

Ramsetu is associated with the emergence of Indian valley civilization and we cannot negate this fact.

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After some thinking my summary of the whole thing is:

  1. It is impossible to know things that happened (or did not happen) very long ago.

2.To progress as civilized people we have to apply our reasoning based on today's values.

  1. This application has to be consistent across all class of people - religions, nations, enthnicity, occupation etc

  2. Thatd mean that if a large part of a population believes in something that has to be held 'self evident' or at least not affronted in disrespect

  3. If these are violated, extremism takes over resulting in national destruction (pakistan being an example).

  4. And we have to be cognizant of the fact that this rule of large numbers can be at times dangerous - example hitler's germany

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