Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
Diwana, after seeing those two gems you have posted, I think you can rest easy there ain't any contest between you and I. wow.
I never claimed that, you might have perceived it.
Your boasting right is well respected, and you can fool yourself everyday, ...but try not to fool other people.
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
I never claimed that, you might have perceived it.
Your boasting right is well respected, and you can fool yourself everyday, ...but try not to fool other people.
No it is quite evident that there is no need for me to try.
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
No it is quite evident that there is no need for me to try.
Please do. Maybe you can tell me something which I might not know. :)
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
Please do. Maybe you can tell me something which I might not know. :)
It is not what you don't know; more of what you can't and won't.
:)
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It is not what you don't know; more of what you can't and won't. :)
It is very obvious you could not bring any or whatsoever which could counter what I said.
Please say something rather than finding excuses of not saying something.
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
It is very obvious you could not bring any or whatsoever which could counter what I said.
Please say something rather than finding excuses of not saying something.
diwana, I will really try to take you seriously since you insist. (not insulting you, just that when you dismiss Forbes and Frost Sullivan data as 'something written in internet', it is very difficult to take you seriously). May be you are very young, may be you haven't had any real exposure to the world....
If you don't understand data, let me give you a way to intuit to that understanding. You know that there is a very large number of doctors and businessmen of Indian origin in the US and certain other parts of the west? Over the past decade many of these people have created facilities in India that cater to foreign patients. The numbers are quite high.
There are a number of Pakistani origin doctors as well abroad - and I am sure they'd have loved to do the same in Pakistan as well - unfortunately the level violence in Pakistan has ruled out that market.
There are a couple of roads in Bombay near certain hospitals where you will find relatives of long term arab patients conducting day to day strolls, buying supplies etc!
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Neither Pakistanis, nor rich Arabs are flocking to India for medical treatment.
A lot of medical procedures are being done in Pakistan and even those procedures which save lives of people with heart attack are being done very efficiently and in timely manner. It is the lack of advertisement and not the lack of skill which makes people like you give reasons to boast.
Lolzzz..Have you been to any hospital in Bangalore?You will come to know how misunderstood you are!!!
Even Liberia has skill but it is the expertise and facilities that make the difference.India has it in abundance. :)
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
diwana, I will really try to take you seriously since you insist. (not insulting you, just that when you dismiss Forbes and Frost Sullivan data as 'something written in internet', it is very difficult to take you seriously). May be you are very young, may be you haven't had any real exposure to the world....
If you don't understand data, let me give you a way to intuit to that understanding. You know that there is a very large number of doctors and businessmen of Indian origin in the US and certain other parts of the west? Over the past decade many of these people have created facilities in India that cater to foreign patients. The numbers are quite high.
There are a number of Pakistani origin doctors as well abroad - and I am sure they'd have loved to do the same in Pakistan as well - unfortunately the level violence in Pakistan has ruled out that market.
There are a couple of roads in Bombay near certain hospitals where you will find relatives of long term arab patients conducting day to day strolls, buying supplies etc!
Let me make one more attempt to make it clear what I already said:
There no rich Arabs in large number flocking India for medical treatment. The discussion was about those Arabs who could afford Indians for their work.
Like I said earlier, only plausible and legit reason for someone to go abroad and a place like India would be to save money on treatment.
Rich Arabs do not have to do that.
You can keep boasting on the source from an article written by someone named Reenita Das, it does not prove people are going to India or any other country for healthcare for the 'skill' or 'expertise' ONLY found in India.
Lots of Pakistani experts have gone back to Pakistan and already providing service to not only local Pakistanis but foreigners as well.
Pakistanis do not employ people like Reenita Das to write on Forbes. You just have to be able to find the names of Physicians on staff on several Pakistani medical institutes, if you can.
And that is where a significant difference lies.
Lolzzz..Have you been to any hospital in Bangalore?You will come to know how misunderstood you are!!!
Even Liberia has skill but it is the expertise and facilities that make the difference.India has it in abundance. :)
Why would I need that?
What will that prove?
I know a large number of Indian population still is far behind in getting even simple and basic healthcare, and all you and Samir are boasting on the business aspect of healthcare. A very shameful act.
Now you two can keep scratching each other's back. :)
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
Diwana Bro,are you so particular about extending your `scratch service’ to anyone here? 
Millions are living below basic par and it does not mean that a country must not explore other areas of growth.Your logic is highly a absuredl.If that is the case,why is Pakistan spending too much on defense and energy?You have millions of people people living below poverty line.
Comeon,Diwana Bro,please make some sense.It is not like something you can get away by saying Nero had a long flute while Rome was being burnt,as you said in the other thread.You made a mistake and you were tying to justify that grave error by mentioning Fiddle was not invented at that time and all. Shows your lack of debating skill. 
Sudhar jao,bhai.Sudhar jao.
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Can you give any statistics sowing rich Arabs are going to India for their healthcare needs?
I was right. Fiddle was not invented by then. I gave you reference. Can you tell me otherwise?
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What should be the bank balance of an Arab,for you to term him/her rich?What are your parameters for judging an Arab rich?
You were wrong.Mr.Nero did not play FLUTE. Hope Mr.Nero himself does not see your post warna 
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^Ab Ziaada Na Phaelo!
I already gave you answer in other thread that no one could agree what he played. But not fiddle since it was not even invented. Let it go.
Kitnay Arab Aate Hain India Mein Ilaaj ke Liye, ameer aur ghareeb bhool jaao......
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
Two links exclusively for you..
Medical tourism: India rolls out red carpet for foreign patients | Arab News
Diwana Bro,you are also welcome.Feel the great care rendered by our hospitals and Ayurvedic centres,get some great massage,feel rejuvenated,go back and post like a champion :k:
Here is something for you to refresh… I know you love Lemonades…
DUBAI: India’s medical tourism sector, set to generate USD 2 billion, has evinced growing interest from patients from Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) countries due to excellent treatment skills of Indian doctors and low cost.
The Indian medical tourism industry is projected to reach USD 2 billion with an estimated 3,200,000 medical value travellers arriving in India by 2015 growing at an annual rate of 30 per cent, according to experts.
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Recently, Dubai-based Emirates airlines teamed up with Apollo Hospitals, to connect international patients with quality healthcare services in India.
“The proven Indian clinical competencies give India a huge competitive advantage. We have seen the number of patients visiting us from GCC region growing at a rapid pace. In the last few quarters we have seen a remarkable increase from UAE, Qatar and Oman,” said Dr. K. Hariprasad, CEO, Apollo Hospitals.
“Comparing global prices for medical treatment, India leads in the race for providing quality healthcare services at affordable prices. A heart bypass surgery in India costs USD 6,500, while in the US it costs between USD 30,000 and USD 80,000. This is a huge, untapped market, not just for therapeutic medical tourism like Ayurveda, but also for curative treatment,” he said.
GCC’s member states include Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.
As part of the joint venture with Emirates Airlines, the patients and their attendants from 19 countries across Middle East and Africa can visit the hospital’s flagship locations in Chennai, Hyderabad, New Delhi, Kolkata, Ahmadabad and Bangalore to avail specially formulated fares for round-trip flights on Emirates.
Chennai headquartered, Apollo Hospitals, has been accredited by Joint Commission International (JCI) USA.
Apollo Hospital, Chennai caters to the patients travelling from Middle East with various specialty services it is recognised for. The hospital’s Chennai unit performs the highest number of Bone Marrow Transplant (BMT) cases with a very high success rate.
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@diwana Brother diwana...This is for you ,again.. :)
2-day expo in Kuwait to highlight Indian healthcare services
Traveling abroad for serious medical treatments is an arduous task that demands well-thought out planning. For those who can afford it, the cost of a procedure such as heart or liver transplant and hip replacement is not the top priority as much as a guaranteed successful outcome.
In the wealthy Gulf countries, especially, reputable doctors are sought out for these super-specialties as quality health care infrastructure is not readily available to date. Thousands of Arab patients flock to medical destinations such as the US, UK, and Germany as they are known for best-quality professionals and top-notch medical technologies.
The term ‘Medical Tourism’ has been coined for such travel intentions, even though sight-seeing and leisure do not factor when facing surgeries with potentially high-risk consequences. It is the fastest rising segment of tourism in developed countries. In Kuwait, the government funds citizens with chronic illnesses and sends them for treatment abroad.
Unsurprisingly, although not yet fully well known, India is among the rising destinations for medical tourism, fast becoming the most popular and respected. India’s doctors comprise the best in the world. According to the Organization for European Economic Co-operation (OECD), India is the top country of origin of migrant doctors in OECD countries, which include the UK, the US, Canada, and Australia, with over 56,000 Indian doctors.
Exhibition
To showcase India’s state of the art facilities and capabilities, the Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry (FICCI), along with Trident Exhibitions, is organizing a two-day exhibition and conference entitled IMTD (India Medical Tourism Destination) Kuwait 2011 on Nov 2-3.
The exhibition aims to feature India’s global healthcare and facilitate networking opportunities for industry professionals (including hotels and travel operators). Around 40 hospitals from India will be on exhibition along with government departments and natural health centers.
A press delegation was sent to New Delhi and Mumbai by the Indian Embassy of Kuwait to tour a number of hospitals. The delegation visited Apollo Hospital, Artemis, Medanta, Fortis, Primus Super Specialty Hospital, Hinduja Hospital, Dr L. H Hiranandani Hospital, Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani as well as SevenHills Hospital.
International patients make an average of 30-35 percent of the total in and out patients and, in Kuwait, patients could contact the Indian Embassy for information on the hospitals that can best cater to their needs.
In India, the hospitals visited boasted their abilities to cater to international patients by providing international centers with reduced costs and the latest medical technologies.
The hospitals provide interpreters and translators, free ambulance rides and airport pickups, assistance in acquiring visas to India as well as Halal food catering (important for Arab Muslim patients).
Suites, single rooms and twin rooms match any accommodation found at five-star hotels and there are sections for accompanying relatives. Furthermore, all hospitals have been accredited by India’s National Accreditation Board for Hospitals & Healthcare Providers (NABH).
According to the Indian medical tourism industry, 600,000 patients have traveled to India in 2010 for medical treatment from over 30 countries including the US, UK, Africa and the Middle East.
That is unsurprising as patients can receive treatments such as open-heart surgery with almost zero waiting period, while the waiting period for specialized medical procedures in the US and UK is approximately 9-11 month.
Predictably, the medical tourism industry in India is given the boost by its thriving economy. India’s GDP average growth in 2010-11 is 8.5 percent.
This is after recovering from the 2008 global financial crises, as per recent statistics by FICCI on the Indian economy. The average industrial growth from 2003- 04 to 2007-08 is 8.7 percent.
Furthermore, India’s exports in 2010-11 amount to $245.9 billion, while imports are worth $350.7 billion.
In the last five years India has received foreign investment to the tune of $160 billion. Meanwhile, the percentage of population below the poverty line has decreased from 45.3 percent in 1993-94 to 32.2 percent in 2009-10, estimates FICCI.
**Kuwait and India
**The Kuwaiti press delegation met with Joint Secretary (for Gulf & Haj) at the Ministry of External Affairs, A.R. Ghanashyam. He further described India’s medical capabilities, deep rooted relations with Kuwait and potential opportunities for stronger ties.
“India’s relationship with Kuwait goes back a long way. Kuwait was used as a trade port between the Roman Empire and the Indian Empire. Today, we give you a lot of respect not because you are an oil country, but because you are close to us. India is the largest expatriate community in Kuwait, with more than 700 doctors,” he said.
Interestingly, Ghanashyam says that, as the fifth largest crude oil reserve country and at the current rate of production, oil in Kuwait will last for another 120 years; “You are a lucky and blessed nation. God has been kind to you. But I always tell oil countries that oil will be here today but will not be here tomorrow.”
Ghanashyam advised Kuwait to begin diversifying into other modes of income in order to sustain itself in an ever-changing turbulent world. He gave the example of Norway, which was previously an oil producing country.
“Today there is no oil in Norway but yet it is a developed country, right at the top. They started diversifying from oil for a long time and today Norway makes more money than Kuwait does,” he explained.
Resources
Oil is a temporary commodity, continued Ghanashyam; it is there today, it is not there tomorrow. “More countries now are saying that oil is bad for the environment and seeking alternative energy. So it is in the interest of oil countries to look ahead.”
Ghanashyam said that India’s relationship with Kuwait depends on three pillars - oil, peoples and flourishing trade. A fourth pillar of investment is needed, however, that could develop Kuwait’s human resources using India’s reputable technological advances and professionals.
“We would like more Kuwaiti doctors, more Kuwaiti engineers. If you develop your education system and you don’t need engineers from India than we can send you teachers to teach those specialties,” he added.
In the early 90s India decided to reform its economy and allow competition. Once the economic opportunities have expanded, doctors living in the US at the time decided to come back to India and established reputable medical centers.
“However, it can cost you around $50,000 for a heart transplant in the US when it can cost you around $5,000 to do one in India. Plus, the quality of doctors is as good as anywhere else in the world. When doctors in the US have a heart problem, they come to India. The chief physician, who looks after the health of the US president, is Indian,” said Ghanshyam.
Ghanshyam further described how India has set up a ‘telemedicine’ system to help the poorest countries in Africa. “We have a hospital in India which is linked to the best hospitals in those countries through satellite. The patients are seen by Indian doctors and the reports are sent by e-mail so the doctors can give their suggested diagnosis. Now 47 African countries are members of this service. We call it the ‘Africa e-connectivity program’. We use this system for education as well. That’s another possibility for Kuwait,” he said.
Medical tourism in India
According to FICCI, the Indian health care market has achieved a recorded $48 billion in 2010 and the industry is expected to grow by 12-15 percent within the next decade.
Speaking at a press conference at FICCI, Assistant Director for Health Services and Education, Siddharth Sonawat, said the private sector contributes 4.3 percent of GDP while public expenditure accounts for only 1.1 percent of GDP. Medical value travel is one of the most lucrative segments of the healthcare sector growing at 22 percent p.a. and is expected to grow into a $1.5 billion industry by 2012. Furthermore, India has the potential to contribute additional revenue amounting to $1.2–2.4 billion for up-market tertiary care hospitals by 2012, and will account for 3–5 percent of total healthcare market.
As for the drivers that are boosting the health market, Sonawat added that India is rapidly improving its corporate health infrastructure. Highly reputed and skilled doctors are available providing quality health care at fraction of the cost. While the waiting period for specialized medical procedures in the US and UK is approximately 9-11 month, according to Sonawat, patients can receive treatments such as open-heart surgery with almost zero waiting period.
Sonawat added the Private Corporate Chain of hospitals have evolved into centers of excellence in healthcare delivery with global standards of quality driven by world class infrastructure and latest technology. Drivers include the changing lifestyles and increasing incidence of non- communicable diseases as well as greater disposable income with the booming middle class.
India’s private hospitals are moving towards international and national accreditation by providing access to reliable and certified information on facilities, infrastructure and level of care.
Patient satisfaction is regularly evaluated which raises community confidence in services provided and an objective system of empanelment by insurance and other third parties is put in place. The result, to date, is that more than 110 hospitals have been accredited by India’s National Accreditation Board for Hospitals & Healthcare Providers (NABH) according to FICCI.
Less costly state-of-the art
One such hospital is Artemis Health Institute. With a 300 bed capacity, Artemis is a state of the art super specialty hospital based in Gurgaon, India. It provides a complete spectrum of advanced medical and surgical procedures, such as organ transplant, joint replacements as well as heart and vascular surgeries, within ten specialized centers.
Artemis further boasts itself for being one of the leading hospitals providing quality medical care for international patients. It asserts that there is zero waiting time for surgeries and no language barriers with the availability of round the clock interpreters. In addition, Artemis assures that international patient queries and reports are sent back to the patients with the expert opinion and cost estimate of the treatment plan within six working hours.
Meanwhile, the popular Apollo Hospitals Group prides itself for having special catering to Arab patients. It has international agreements with various Arab countries, according to Dr Walid Albakili who is in charge of the Gulf and Arab region and is currently the chief doctor of a number of Arab Embassies in Delhi. The hospital group manages over 10,000 hospital beds across 53 hospitals.
Most hospitals visited provide open-heart surgery and other complex surgeries as well as in-patient and out-patient department with the latest technological facilities. Divisions available include endocrinology and diabetes, GI and bariatric surgery, peripheral vascular and endovascular services, radiology and nuclear medicine, cancer treatment centers, dental surgery and physiotherapy and rehabilitation. Plastic and reconstructive surgeries are also available.
Treatment cost in India as compared to the US and UK is less than half. The approximate cost of open heart-surgery (excluding other expenditure on board and air travel) is $4,500, while it is approximately $18,000 in the US or UK. Meanwhile neuro-surgery with hypothermia costs $6,500 in India and a simple brain tumor biopsy costs $1,000.
The ‘tourism’ part of medical tourism can be more efficiently implemented by those who seek to take advantage of India’s natural wealth, probably after recovering from conventional medical procedures.
The Indian Ministry of Health and Family Welfare has a Department of Ayurveda, Yoga & Naturopathy, Unani, Siddha and Homoeopathy (AYUSH) that is dedicated in promoting traditional Indian treatments.
As India contains a rich biodiversity, 12 ago-climatic zones and a wide range of medicinal plant species that used in officially recognized treatments. According to AYUSH, there are 755,025 practitioners and the systems enjoy government support. Centers include the All India Institute of Ayurveda and the North Eastern Institute of Folk Medicine.
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So how many Arabs are really going to India for “medical treatment”? 
After all the time I gave you to answer this question, you brought another load of similar garbage (in general) which I had already read a few times prior to you posting.
I read your articles, none gave actual number of Arabs going to India for Medical treatment purpose. If I missed it then point it out to me please.
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I wonder if I should now say you were making it up just to win an argument which was not even the point of this thread.**
Mr. Arleitter, I appreciate the effort you are making to brag about India providing only hopeful thoughts but far from other realities.
**I have already mentioned the topic is big and has many different aspects. **
Bragging and boasting is what I see, and either deliberate or unconscious denial,.. of real problems associated with this practice,.. is what you are doing like the Forbe writer when talking about Medical Tourism in reference to India.
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So how many Arabs are really going to India for "medical treatment"? ;)
After all the time I gave you to answer this question, you brought another load of similar garbage (in general) which I had already read a few times prior to you posting.
I read your articles, none gave actual number of Arabs going to India for Medical treatment purpose. If I missed it then point it out to me please. ** I wonder if I should now say you were making it up just to win an argument which was not even the point of this thread.**
Mr. Arleitter, I appreciate the effort you are making to brag about India providing only hopeful thoughts but far from other realities.
*I have already mentioned the topic is big and has many different aspects. *
Bragging and boasting is what I see, and either deliberate or unconscious denial,.. of real problems associated with this practice,.. is what you are doing like the Forbe writer when talking about Medical Tourism in reference to India. :)
Diwana Brother ,the sources are Arab medias aswell. Also there is a statement that somenArabs who visit India as tourists also undergo medical treatments,kind of tourism+medical.So exact figures may not be available.The Arab sources have said that India is a top destination for Arabs and it is fastest growing destination.There is no bragging.Only truth is there. :)
There is nothing far from realities.Even Pakistanis are choosing India :)
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Tapped conversation of Mr.Dawood.
[Caught on Tape: Dawood Ibrahim?s conversation over property deal, location traced
@diwana](http://www.newsx.com/national/item/30893-world-news-latest-breaking-news-caught-on-tape-dawood-ibrahims-conversation-over-property-deal-location-traced)
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
Diwana Brother ,the sources are Arab medias aswell. Also there is a statement that somenArabs who visit India as tourists also undergo medical treatments,kind of tourism+medical.So exact figures may not be available.The Arab sources have said that India is a top destination for Arabs and it is fastest growing destination.There is no bragging.Only truth is there. :)
There is nothing far from realities.Even Pakistanis are choosing India :)
"Medical tourism" is a potentially dangerous for many reasons. May discuss somewhere later. Perhaps another thread.
No sir! Arabs do not go to India in large number or significant number. Articles are written in hope and promise to get them to come to India.
The source is from someone who wrote article in an Arab news site. That's all.
With all the info in your article and 'statistics' of percentage, they could not provide exact information. Sorry.
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Please catch this evil guy next time and get over it. Thank you. 
Re: India demand Pakistan to hand over Mr.Dawood
Brother,not only Medical tourism,every arena has it’s pros and cons.
Multifaceted India attracts more Gulf tourists | Arab News
This link provides you an estimated number.