India and Muslim Ummah

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With the exception of Pakistan , India’s relations with other Muslim countries is very cordial. But will the Muslim Ummah support India, when they have to choose between India and Pakistan?

India gains new respect in Muslim world

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EK25Df04.html

Muslim diplomatic circles in Delhi are abuzz with new excitement. Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s recent trip to Syria at a time when it is the target of attack from India’s two closest allies, the United States and Israel, has convinced them that New Delhi is once again determined to pursue a foreign policy independent of the American worldview. Throughout his trip to Russia, Tajikistan and Syria, Vajpayee left no one in doubt that India has serious reservations about Washington’s new foreign policy orientation of unilateral and illogical preemptive strikes in the Middle East.

While breaking their day-long fast at numerous Iftar parties in the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, Muslim, and particularly Arab diplomats, are privately musing with some surprise that contrary to apprehensions from a Hindu fundamentalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)-led government, India’s relationship with the Muslim world has not only not worsened, it has actually improved. Indeed, it is thanks largely to consistent efforts made by this government that India can today count as friends and allies almost all the countries in the Muslim crescent that constitute the membership of the Organization of Islamic Conference.

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The respect that india claim to have, you may have from the dictators and business people within the regimes.

But the attrocities and crimes committed by the Indian forces is not forgotten by the ummah.

And also remember these regimes are living on borrowed time, even there paymasters the Americans cannot rely on them anymore that is why the Americans are now present in the muslim lands to enforce there policies themselves first hand!

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Re: India and Muslim Ummah

Two things:

They will need to gain the respect of the Muslims withint India first before moving outside.

Your govt. doesn’t seem too keen on joining the OIC right now anyway. Indian foreign minister made it clear just a few days ago. I think they’ve realised it, albeit a little late, that as long as the Kashmir issue keeps burning Pakistan will be getting priority over India amongst muslim nations.

Thanx for reading.

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Ak, what do you mean by atrocities and crimes?
Have you asked any Indian Muslim to choose between India and any Islamic country?
Do it first and you will understand the reality.

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Ak, what do you mean by atrocities and crimes?
Have you asked any Indian Muslim to choose between India and any Islamic country?
Do it first and you will understand the reality.
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Gujrat was just an illusion. And no Indian Muslim lives in Saudia or UAE. All those people are actually hindus disguised as muslims.

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Yahudi

Either you have short memory or you deluding yourself.

Chtonic already mentioned one example of many gujerat, ahmedahbad but more specifically i was referring to kashmir.

Or you think the indian forces are handing out choclate and flowers to the residents of kashmir.

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Ummah will never support India. Bin Laden, the great, (a hidden Ummah) has long back declared that India is an enemy of Islam along with Russia, Israel and USA.
But Arab countries will always support Indian State countering Pakistan?
We are a big market of Arab oil.
You and your Ummah cannot run away from this fact.

And how much Indian Muslims are respected in Islamic countries. They (and Pak Muslims) work like a slave in Saudi Arabia and in some other Islamic countries; do these Islamic countries (Saudi Arabia) give them citizenship? And may be Imamship of Makka will be considered for an Indian Muslim. (India as a very large population of Muslims.)

If atrocities against Muslims in India are real, I have never seen any migration of Muslims from India. (After partition).

And dear protestors, why your memory always starts from Gujarat and not from Godhra?

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Let them make stronger ties with India. Relations based on religion do not mean anything to the dictatorial powers present. So be it. They will come crawling when their own countries are being over run by americans and other such "allies". Our job should be to construct a viable and strong pakistan. To hell with our muslim allies. They havent done anything for us. We need build our economy and infrastructure and diversify in various industrial fields.

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Yahudi

You can have your ties with the dictator regimes in middle east they have much in common with the racist BJP of india which is hatred for all things islamic. Like i said before these regimes living on borrowed time.

I like the way you non muslims always quote saudi as islamic country trying to indicate it is islam law there or something. It is a Monarchy a kingship the king decides everything not shariah law! And if you don't belive that go ask the British because they are the ones that installed the kingship in Saudi in first place!

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india’s energy needs depends on mid-east oil so the relationship
is important

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/business/10_11_03_e.asp

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
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And dear protestors, why your memory always starts from Gujarat and not from Godhra?
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dear whiner, it doesn't matter whether u start from Godhra or Gujrat, in Godhra smaller number of Muslims were attacked while in Gujrat a huge number was massacred, read recent history not in "Hindu Times" but outside that small circle.

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For Muslims it is difficult to understand that trading decides the relations of countries and not religion or regimes.
I damn care if declared Islamic states are Islamic or not.
Ak, it is very bad that always you people backtrack, with one unique excuse that it is not as per Islamic rules. Why did you challenge that Indian Muslims are welcome in Islamic countries?

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yahudi

what are you talking about your not making any sense? backtracking when can you give examples or not!

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
Ummah will never support India. Bin Laden, the great, (a hidden Ummah) has long back declared that India is an enemy of Islam along with Russia, Israel and USA.
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Really? What about RSS, World Hindu Council, bal thackrey, Bajrang Dal, and so many more Hindu outfits spitting venom against Muslims and other religions? Do they represent India or Hindus? If they do, then by all means you have reached a fair conslusion.

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
But Arab countries will always support Indian State countering Pakistan?
We are a big market of Arab oil.
You and your Ummah cannot run away from this fact.
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You may be a big market for the Arab oil but as long as the oil demand outstrips supply, its India that is going have to wag its tail in front of the Arabs and not the Arabs.

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
And how much Indian Muslims are respected in Islamic countries. They (and Pak Muslims) work like a slave in Saudi Arabia and in some other Islamic countries; do these Islamic countries (Saudi Arabia) give them citizenship?
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What no sense. No one is forcing them to work in Saudia. If they don't like it, then why dont they take up work in India? Or are you trying to tell us that the Indian muslims were somehow abducted from your land, transported to Saudia and made to work there like slaves? The fact is all these workers chose to work in Saudia out of free will and continue to do so. Lastly, most of the Indian and Pak. workers in Saudia are low level, uneducated laborers. Don't these people work like slaves in their homeland anyway? At least they're getting paid reasonably well in Saudia.

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
And may be Imamship of Makka will be considered for an Indian Muslim. (India as a very large population of Muslims.)
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12%. You treat these muslims like animals at home and project them abroad as being a large population living in peace when it suits your interests. Pakistan is 98% muslims yet we dont have a Pakistani muslim as the imam. When we have a Pakistani muslim as the imam, then maybe you can consider having an Indian muslim as the imam.

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*Originally posted by yahudi: *
If atrocities against Muslims in India are real, I have never seen any migration of Muslims from India. (After partition).
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Are you denying the govt. sponsored terrorism in gujrat?

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*Originally posted by ChthonicPowers: *

Really? What about RSS, World Hindu Council, bal thackrey, Bajrang Dal, and so many more Hindu outfits spitting venom against Muslims and other religions? Do they represent India or Hindus? If they do, then by all means you have reached a fair conslusion.
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what is wrong on them telling that?.have u ever been treated in ur country as a second rate citizen in the name of protection to minorities?.with virtually no minorities left there in pakistan u donno the problems when minorities r kajoled to the extremes(as the shah banu case testifies.) why is that u never take out shah banus case where the rightful verdict of supreme court was overturned to appease the minorities.if this is hou laws r bend to satisfy some community's interest then there is no wrong in other communities feeling hurt.

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You may be a big market for the Arab oil but as long as the oil demand outstrips supply, its India that is going have to wag its tail in front of the Arabs and not the Arabs.
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we knou who is waging the tail to whom.if there is no market for arab oil in india then india will survive with russian oil but arabass would have missed out on the indian dollars.in capitalist world its the customers who r supreme. n i think arab oil atleast is capitalistic if not their feifdoms.

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What no sense. No one is forcing them to work in Saudia. If they don't like it, then why dont they take up work in India? Or are you trying to tell us that the Indian muslims were somehow abducted from your land, transported to Saudia and made to work there like slaves? The fact is all these workers chose to work in Saudia out of free will and continue to do so. Lastly, most of the Indian and Pak. workers in Saudia are low level, uneducated laborers. Don't these people work like slaves in their homeland anyway? At least they're getting paid reasonably well in Saudia.
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of couse it is that feeling in the kingdoms that has made the fiefdoms to pass laws tightening immigration.

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12%. You treat these muslims like animals at home and project them abroad as being a large population living in peace when it suits your interests. Pakistan is 98% muslims yet we dont have a Pakistani muslim as the imam. When we have a Pakistani muslim as the imam, then maybe you can consider having an Indian muslim as the imam.
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when u keep screaming 12% is minority in a diverse land like india it is hypocrisy.at the time of independence the percentage was less than 9%. in fifty years if it can grow to 12% with the medical improvement thats in india then what will b the increase with further developement?

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Are you denying the govt. sponsored terrorism in gujrat?
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do u deny the root cause of gujarat that is godhra?.

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khali

you really do have a short memory if you going to quote godhra quote the forensic evidence which states the fire was started inside the train.

and don’t quote the parts that suit you you should be quoting the entire scenario.

Godhra Fire doubts

this line by indian fanatics godhra not gujerat its like a state of denial, like oh its ok to kill thousands of muslims because a train caught fire!

The indian fanatics have become obsessed with ethnically removing muslims from india and anythign to do with muslim culture they are no different than the Neo Nazis absoloutly no difference at all!

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because a train caught fire!
i never knew that all of a sudden a train can catch fire on its own.
train not only caught fire but also killed 50 people. if u think only muslim lives are valuable then i would rather dont care about that.the below is the extract from the site u offered.

**The new theory does not answer the key question of who started the fire and why and seems at odds with eyewitness accounts given at the time. **

it should have been started by some muslim fundos disguising as hindus as they did it in akshardam temple killing 58 people. the bogie was locked from outside- thats true. who did that in a muslim majority area. who could dare do that other than the local community.

anyway thanks for enlightening me about my short memory. i thnk its characteristics of indians. otherwise islam as a religion which destroyed somnath temple n precoius architectural marvels like that would have never got a foothold in india.

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enough of gujarat n godhra- iam fed up with this vicious probaganda.
if u can really speak some substantial issue it would do much good to everyone.

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Yeah well you should read the evidence fire was started inside train the article doesnt say fire was started by magic.

Secondly you put forward allegations about the gujerat incident so you cannot expect people not to respond.

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Ak47, do you know that theory of fire in wagon from inside has already vanished from Indian newspapers?
When facts are already established these newspapers are not making noise any more and you are feeding yourself with old items.