Imran Khan demands mid-term polls

Ali_Syed · August 1, 2014, 1:28pm

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PMLN will be playing a master stroke soon by launching vision 2025 and inviting all political parties in the launching ceremony. That would reinforce people's minds that PMLN is acting constructively where as Pti is trying to disrupt them. Some people believe that Pti doesn't want PMLN to complete its tenure as that would seal the future of the party. I think on the contrary negative politics would destroy the party. Load shedding and inflation is killing the people, this should be the party's focus instead of mid term elections. Instead of bringing the government down the party should try to pressurise them to improve the electoral system while raising their voice on public issues. Perform in kpk so that they have something to show for in the next elections. The way the party is staying aloof of people's issues, even the mid term elections won't hand them power. Instead of bringing the party down through negative politics, they should let the government expose themselves by completing their term. If Pti does not provide the government with an excuse, we could see the same fate of PMLN like their predecessors. The question remains does Pti have patience?

arshad5 · August 1, 2014, 1:31pm

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If rigging took place but it would not have made any material difference to the election results, then what is needed is electoral reform. Even Sheikh Rasheed does not think that IK would have won but may have got an additional handful of seats. If IK thinks he would have won then he must be losing his marbles. Since the election I think that he has lost ground particularly in Punjab.

People want progress through development and not mere slogans. This is coming from someone that supported him in the last election.

Anwer_Pasha · August 1, 2014, 1:37pm

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bella_Rouge · August 1, 2014, 1:44pm

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And these won't be rigged like the ones on may11th because... ?

Ali_Syed · August 1, 2014, 1:46pm

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^ because Imran khan is demanding them. Without electoral reforms nothing would change. Besides in the next elections people would compare Punjab with kpk as well before voting.

Sa1eem · August 1, 2014, 3:26pm

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Imran Khan is 100 percent justified in asking for midterm election. Rather, Imran should demand making May 2013 election as defunct election and a new free and fair election as soon as possible, hopefully within next few months. Meanwhile, present government should resign and interim government of consensus should take over. Military can also help in running the country and conducting next election, making sure that next election happens free and fair.

Reason is simple: Almost all parties, including PMLN, PPP, PTI, PMLQ, most respectable personalities, and most voters of Pakistan agree that last election was rigged … rather massively rigged.

As everyone agrees that last election was rigged, than why result based on that election should become acceptable?

Obviously, result based on last election is rigged result, and no respectable country or person would accept that result or live under that result.

So, question should not be that last election was massively rigged and thus should be made defunct, and new election should be held as soon as possible, rather question should be, how a new election is held in the country that is acceptable to all, and can be considered as not a rigged election.

This can be done in various ways … though at present, I am leaving that discussion aside :).

Sa1eem · August 1, 2014, 3:53pm

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I think, if turmoil starts in the country due to PMLN trying to crush peoples’ voice by force, army should take over the country, impose martial law, and rule the country for foreseeable future (passing power from one military ruler to next) … abrogate present constitution … and bring completely new, more appropriate, people’s friendly, and just constitution for the country (can take parts of present constitution into next constitution).

In new constitution, it should be stated that, if political government ever comes to power again (military government decides to give the power to political government), and if perception develops that they are corrupt or doing nepotism, than military would sack such political government constitutionally and would hold new election within 3 years.

Constitution should include severe punishment for corruption, nepotism, and misuse of power (Rushwat, Safarish, plot grabbing, wrong appointments, misconduct, use of excessive public resources, stealing public resources, police brutality, bureaucracy hathdharmi and haram-zadgi, judges obvious biases, etc) … for instance … punishment should be death or at least 20 years rigorous imprisonment … along with confiscation of their and their family wealth on behalf of people (thus becoming part of treasury).

Further, any person desiring to hold public office through politics or by joining civil (government) service, they have to open their financial accounts all the time to NAB and should justify their means of living and asset building throughout their career and even after retirement, at every juncture (maybe after every 2 years) … and their children also have to justify their means of living and asset building throughout their lives … else, if discrepancy is there or they could not justify what they have (person who held public office as well as their children), than they should face severe punishment

Anwer_Pasha · August 1, 2014, 4:47pm

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Every PTI member and supporter knew that where the worst has been done with PTI .
It was Karachi establishment arranged the worst rigging
It was just open and visible , Khulay bandon Qatl ,Bhatta Khor Altaf kay log thapay mar rahay thay
Khuda janay , Khan Sahib ki zuban un ka nam kion naheen leti
Khulay bandon dhandli aur phir media par live galian
Had hay bay ..........

Captain1 · August 1, 2014, 5:37pm

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I don't think any rigging has been verified/proved in court yet, besides even if it is proved then rather extended rigging verification must be done and by-elections conducted (after disqualifying rigged seat) instead of bringing down whole government and going through the elections again.

Sa1eem · August 1, 2014, 5:47pm

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Yahi tou baat hay aur issi ka tou rona hay. :)

I know that you want system stays as it is, because you are hoping that next 'Bari' is bari of PPP, as in Pakistani elections votes do not count, rigging counts and understanding is that, next bari is bari of PPP.

Anyhow, since election was rigged all over Pakistan, including Karachi, then why accept that election and accept government based on rigged election? :)

Last election was not free neither fair ... nor contesting candidates were properly scrutinized according to constitutional requirements (hence, election was not even constitutional).

It does not matter who wins free and fair election, PMLN, PPP. PTI, MQM, JUI, ANP, JI, or Sh Rasheed ... errr ... or TUQ ... but most important thing is that, Pakistan should first have free and fair election and then only the election and government based on that election should be acceptable. Bas atni see baat hay. :)

No 'bari bari' ... let people decide ... or let army rule. :)

arshad5 · August 1, 2014, 6:49pm

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PTI should just focus on electoral reforms and let the government complete its term. The government should have nipped this issue in the bud instead of now wasting energy firefighting. The government should focus on delivering progress. PTI leadership consists of people like Shireen Mazari, who is good but I was surprised to know that she owns thousands of kanals of land. Also there is Hamid Khan whose children attend private schools in the UK. I would have expected able leadership to emerge from the middle classes in PTI rather than the elite playing musical chairs. This makes the PTI no different than the parties of the status quo. Nothing revolutionary has happened in KP where I was expecting PTI to come in with guns blazing.

Sa1eem · August 1, 2014, 7:54pm

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^^^ If IK would accept that government complete its term than it would be same as endorsing rigging and in next election also party would win not from votes but from rigging. PPP and PMLN, knowing that voters are idiots, votes mean nothing, and that both parties (PPP and PMLN) are well positioned to win the election using right people in administration (election process) and rigging, they have negotiated with each other ‘bari bari’.

So, whatever reforms PTI negotiates, and whatever reforms are implemented, next election would be as much rigged as present election, and that means ‘bari bari’ would win. In that case, if PTI would again come on street that election is rigged, then people would only think they are big jokers, nothing else. All would keep accepting rigged election as they have accepted such election from 1970s.

Only reason PTI is getting some leverage this time, because before election TUQ declared the methods of election is rigging … something done using administration and non-implementation of constitutional scrutiny, and thus people realised how they were getting conned by corrupts throughout ages. If TUQ would not have exposed what is happening in Pakistani elections, most people would have thought that IK is just cry baby, crying because he lost the election.

If government is brought down, administration involved in rigging gets punished, proper electoral reforms are implemented, constitutional clauses are enforced, and message that rigging would not be tolerated goes forward, then one can only hope (there is possibility) that Pakistani election would be ‘voice of people’ and ‘not voice of rigging’, else situation would never change. Army also knows that, and when army thinks that corrupts have done enough damage, they kick them out knowing that these people have little real support amongst public and no one would come out from people to stand for them.

Captain1 · August 1, 2014, 9:01pm

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In that case PTI should resign from KPK assembly as well as national assembly, but being in assemblies and demanding the govt to be dissolved (thru long march/rally)????

arshad5 · August 1, 2014, 9:10pm

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You need to read my previous posts on the subject. I approve of electoral reform so that rigging cannot take place in future elections. I also approve of by elections where there is proof that rigging took place and in such numbers that it would have changed the outcome of the election in any particular constituency. I do not approve of mid term polls.

Sa1eem · August 2, 2014, 12:20am

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Iss may koyn see problem wali baat hay?

KPK was given to Imran Khan on plate so that he keeps quite, but that does not mean, election was not rigged.

Imran wants justice and end of corrupt parliament, and that includes his own assembly seats all over Pakistan. But that has to happen when parliaments (NA and PAs) dissolves and new election is held throughout Pakistan under strict rules and military supervision (so that rigging becomes impossible), else, if his party alone resigns from parliament, than government would do bye-election and after rigging the election would get elected from KPK too, and in that case, his party’s resignation would be self-defeating.

Captain1 · August 2, 2014, 12:24am

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^ There is no way all parties would be happy with any of the results, claiming army to be part of results engineering team, then what will happen?

jasos · August 2, 2014, 3:56am

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iss ko haddi dalo, baiththa chosta rahay ga

Anwer_Pasha · August 2, 2014, 4:06am

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They are doing this job since 1985 already .

Anwer_Pasha · August 2, 2014, 4:10am

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Most corrupt , Bhatta Khors , Killers are part of Sindh government , but yet not a part of Federal government , It makes you unhappy with present parliament . MQM should be given one two ministries , Now happy .

Shamraz_Khan · August 2, 2014, 4:33am

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There is never going to be 100% rigged free elections. And rigging is not just stuffing ballot boxes with fake votes. It includes fairness in political playing field, equal time in media and out reach to voters. The parties that were not allowed to contest election last year were PPP, ANP and MQM b/c Taliban kept bombing their campaign rallies & PTI and PMLN were beneficiaries of Taliban terrorism. So, it should be PPP, ANP and MQM who should be protesting b/c they did not get fair chance, unlike PTI and PMLN, but hey have accepted the election results.