Re: Imran Khan and cultural pride
^^ Try defaming him all you want, there're simply no rivals to the Bhuttos, the Altaf Hussains, the Zardaris and the Shareefs (to a lesser degree) in terms of thuggery.
But HOW did I defame him? By exposing his views, which are well-known already?
Nawaz Sharif to a lesser degree? That guy is a security threat to Pakistan because of his soft-corner for Taliban.
But may be his support is what makes you appreciate him and Taliban Khan.
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^^ Supporting terrorists and plundering national wealth are two different things and really don't require a very high IQ to distinguish
And yes, you're definitely defaming him for Imran's got a spotless reputation when it comes to delivering the goods for the nation.
Re: Imran Khan and cultural pride
khoji, Imran Khan's views on the Taliban are vastly misunderstood.
Just because he opposes military action does not make him at all pro-Taliban.
Khan says that any military action will cause civilian casualties which will in turn engender more extremism. He explained this beautifully in a talk he gave a few months ago. I attended the event, and let me tell you, the entire audience was spellbound by his charismatic dynamism. This guy isn't just coming out with the same stale nonsense as the others. He is fresh, and obviously brimming with enthusiasm since he's been fighting against the same corrupt system for 16 years without giving up.
Khan gave the example of a young tribal boy growing up in Waziristan. PAF jets strike at a militant hideout near his home, and in so doing, kill his family. He grows up hating the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani state, and at the age of 17, takes up militancy. Now multiply this by a thousand. How does a military solution deal with an issue of this scale and self-propagating magnitude?
IK says to win a war against an ideology - which is essentially what the Taliban is - you have to win the hearts and minds of the people. After 9 long years of fighting in Afghanistan, even the Americans and NATO forces are realising that they cannot win in Afghanistan based on a military solution. Like it or not, the Pakistan Army's actions in Swat and the tribal areas have resulted in thousands of civilian casualties, when it was our very own military that let matters get to the extent where the civilian infrastructure could not deal with the issue. I love our military, but let's call a spade a spade.
Imran Khan proposes one solution to deal with the issue of militancy, which is a strategy involving primarily dialogue and discussion but also massive economic development. There are other solutions which call for a more pro-active military role. All are valid opinions - some are more correct than others. Not only Islam, but also democracy recognises, accepts and welcomes difference of opinion.
It seems you are excessively naive and distastefully immature to start labelling someone (Taliban Khan) just because his views of things differ from your own.
Re: Imran Khan and cultural pride
well put Tasavur.....thanks.
Re: Imran Khan and cultural pride
Imran Khan proposes one solution to deal with the issue of militancy, which is a strategy involving primarily dialogue and discussion but also massive economic development.
Dialog on what basis? What does Imran want to achieve with this dialog?
Let me tell you that the aim of Taliban is to establish their brand of shariat on not just Pakistan but all over the world. There is NO dialog possible with this ideology.
And don't you remember what happened to the last "dialog" we had with them in Swat?
You can talk to people who are willing to listen to reason. You can not talk to lunatics and criminals who have killed thousands of people everywhere in the country.
Government is trying to develop that area, but "massive" economic development requires massive amount of money, which Pakistan does not have. Besides, the Taliban lunatics keep destroying any development work that is done by the government.
Imran's massive anti-government pro-Talibanic stance is evident from his such views where he says that blowing up of schools in Swat is a government propaganda, and that it is not being done by Taliban at all.
Re: Imran Khan and cultural pride
^^ Supporting terrorists and plundering national wealth are two different things and really don't require a very high IQ to distinguish
Of course. Supporting anti-Pakistan terrorists is TREASON.
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And yes, you're definitely defaming him for Imran's got a spotless reputation when it comes to delivering the goods for the nation.
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Goods. Yes, like his opposition to attack Talibanic lunatics.
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Government isn't doing anything!
I don't see much hope for our nation, at the end of the day it seems we are going to support the looters and murderers.
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Dialog on what basis? What does Imran want to achieve with this dialog? Let me tell you that the aim of Taliban is to establish their brand of shariat on not just Pakistan but all over the world. There is NO dialog possible with this ideology. And don't you remember what happened to the last "dialog" we had with them in Swat? You can talk to people who are willing to listen to reason. You can not talk to lunatics and criminals who have killed thousands of people everywhere in the country.
Government is trying to develop that area, but "massive" economic development requires massive amount of money, which Pakistan does not have. Besides, the Taliban lunatics keep destroying any development work that is done by the government.
Imran's massive anti-government pro-Talibanic stance is evident from his such views where he says that blowing up of schools in Swat is a government propaganda, and that it is not being done by Taliban at all.
Unfortunately, you contradict yourself from the very onset. "There is no dialogue possible with this ideology."
Ideology can only be fought with dialogue; winning over the hearts and the minds of people means we in turn do not breed further militancy (which military action does do). See my last post:
Khan gave the example of a young tribal boy growing up in Waziristan. PAF jets strike at a militant hideout near his home, and in so doing, kill his family. He grows up hating the Pakistani Army and the Pakistani state, and at the age of 17, takes up militancy. Now multiply this by a thousand. How does a military solution, as you would claim, deal with an issue of this scale and self-propagating magnitude?
Ideologies can never be destroyed by military actions. The US has learnt this lesson the hard way, and after 9 years of fighting, peace via military solution is no closer off than it was in 2001.
The Taliban is not a homogenous group. It is a vast number of groups using that label. The majority of these groups do not follow the religious ideology at the heart of the original Taliban movement. Having studied this extensively, I can tell you are gravely misinformed. Many of the groups calling themselves 'Taliban' have completely diferent grievances than 'lack of Shariat' as you would claim: these include feelings of resentment at the death of innocents caused by military actions, they could be a result of economic downturn, they could be a result of political disenfranchisement from the mainstream Pakistani state, they could be thinly disguised Pushtoon nationalism etc etc etc.... These groups can be engaged successfully via dialogue. The real ‘hard-core’ group that forms the ideological Taliban would then be thus categorically side-lined and much easier to deal with. If you go in, as we have done so far, with guns blazing you tend to unite all these different factions into one group which is something one would want to avoid.
Also, the Taliban does not have globalist agendas - its aims of establishing Shariat extend to only the areas under its control. I think you are confusing it with Al-Qaeda.
With regards to requiring money that Pakistan does not have, you’ve missed the point. Pakistan does have the money, but it has inefficient leadership. The money is swallowed in corruption, organisational incompetency and elementarily, a lack of real political desire to effect change. Imran Khan presents a solution that is not meant to work in this current system: implemented in this system it would suffer from the same corruption and inefficiency that everything in Pakistan suffers from. His aim is to overhaul our system completely, and then implement the solutions to the various problems that face Pakistan. One lays the foundations before constructing the building.
As for your last statement, the significant majority of Pakistanis are anti-government so for this, IK cannot be exclusively faulted. As for pro-Taliban, I have already explained to you in my previous post how a denial of military action being the best solution to combating the issue of militancy does not make one pro-Taliban. It simply shows there is a different of opinion on how this issue should be dealt with. Your refusal to budge from your initial beliefs - even after they have been proved wrong - proves you to be narrow-minded and short-sighted. Elementarily, your insistence on militantly labelling others who disagree with you makes you no different from the very Taliban you so vehemently despise.
Finally, you cannot make claims without backing them up; to date, I have never heard of Khan denying the Taliban's actions in Swat. In fact, as a regular reader of PTI's website (insaf.pk) I have always found appropriate condemnation where it is due.
Re: Imran Khan and cultural pride
Of course. Supporting anti-Pakistan terrorists is TREASON.
Goods. Yes, like his opposition to attack Talibanic lunatics.
Imran has never SUPPORTED anti-Pakistan terrorists. From your previous posts, I can see ample proof of that though that you do -- those who live in glass houses should definitely not throw stones at others.