Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
Nice try! Poor analogy. You fail to understand my point. I am not even going to try and entertain the idea of your thought process.
If you're asking whether there was wrong doing? Then I would answer, yes.
If you then proceed to ask whether it would have had a greater impact on the election? I would answer, no.
PML-N won twice as many votes as the nearest contender.
Now jog on/
If we could just argue the point like adults without including random insults, that would be great.
You are criticizing my thought process while legitimizing dishonesty, injustice, lying, betraying, deceiving, conning .... all these are included in rigging. Even if election were rigged on just one seat, people of that constituency have been betrayed and deceived. People responsible should be brought to justice.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
Rigging happened, but even if it hadn't happened its a fact N league still would have won. IK needs to pick his timing on issues, issues which do need addressing but his timing is always wrong.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
If we could just argue the point like adults without including random insults, that would be great.
You are criticizing my thought process while legitimizing dishonesty, injustice, lying, betraying, deceiving, conning .... all these are included in rigging. Even if election were rigged on just one seat, people of that constituency have been betrayed and deceived. People responsible should be brought to justice.
You're right I shouldn't insult you. But when people make incoherent, illogical statements like you did I must respond in a similar manner as childish as it may seem.
Moving on... I actually think Imran Khan is the better candidate out of them all. However, by teaming up TUQ and de-stabilising the country further is causing more issues than its worth. Pakistan doesn't need this with everything going on...besides why doesn't he give democracy a chance and take his case to a court as any other person would.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
I really think the the earth won't rip open and the sky won't fall apart if the country can have an open debate on electoral reform and just agree on judicial inquiry into rigging claims. Those who know a bit about democracy and appreciate what it stands for would perhaps agree with this.
In regards to Imran's threat to dissolve KPK Assembly, I hope he's just using it as a pressure tactic, otherwise, he'll gain nothing out it in reality. I personally oppose it, and if he's using it pressure tactic, it is still a very dangerous thing to do.
The title of this thread is fabricated/misleading, and it is having an effect on the course of the discussion. PTI just today once again publicly rejected all rumours and future possibility of formally joining TuQ. The party members who stopped Imran from joing TuQ last time are still in charge, and chances are, they're still standing on their decision.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
hahaha I got you by the balls with that statement and you know it. It was as illogical as your statement about NS legitimacy.
Moving on… Imran Khan is not teaming up with TUQ. There people who want this to happen but PTI is doing its best to stay away from PAT. They dont want to be associated with them. Imran Khan wants to give democracy a chance. But this not democracy. Just holding rigged elections and claiming power is not democracy.
** Democracy as a Political System of Competition for Power**
Democracy is a means for the people to choose their leaders and to hold their leaders accountable for their policies and their conduct in office.
The people decide who will represent them in parliament, and who will head the government at the national and local levels. They do so by choosing between competing parties in regular, free and fair elections.
Government is based on the consent of the governed.
In a democracy, the people are sovereign—they are the highest form of political authority.
*Power flows from the people to the leaders of government, who hold power only temporarily. *unlike nawaz and bhutto family
Laws and policies require majority support in parliament, but the rights of minorities are protected in various ways.
The people are free to criticize their elected leaders and representatives, and to observe how they conduct the business of government.
Elected representatives at the national and local levels should listen to the people and respond to their needs and suggestions. We have not had local body elections in years.
Elections have to occur at regular intervals, as prescribed by law. Those in power cannot extend their terms in office without asking for the consent of the people again in an election.
For elections to be free and fair, they have to be administered by a neutral, fair, and professional body that treats all political parties and candidates equally.
All parties and candidates must have the right to campaign freely, to present their proposals to the voters both directly and through the mass media.
*Voters must be able to vote in secret, free of intimidation and violence. *
Independent observers must be able to observe the voting and the vote counting to ensure that the process is free of corruption, intimidation, and fraud.
*There needs to be some **impartial **and independent tribunal to resolve any disputes about the election results. *Our courts are not impartial in fact ex CJP has just been rewarded for his service.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
I think it would be a huge blunder if Imran decides to either join Qadri or dissolve KPK cabinet. This is critical time for country and he should forget about the rigging issue for now, to be honest no one really cares about the rigging. We are living in a country where a smart operator who knows how to manipulate the system is considered mature and person who complains about manipulation is called a whinger and cry baby and Imran Khan needs to understand he is not living in Europe.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
and why exactly should he stop talking about the rigged elections
Its okay to talk about rigged elections but every few days it becomes painful to hear "elections were rigged, if ..... is not done we will dissolve govt and do .......". If you really want to do it from within the system then go to assembly, introduce laws, reforms etc. which reflect that you really are sincere instead threatening street demos, dharnas, dissolving assembly etc. BTW he is only talking about 4 seats, right? How much difference would it make in terms of PMLN majority vs strength of PTI with these 4 seats?
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
Joining PAT will be a suicidal step of IK even Clown Shaikh Rasheed is trying his best.
I've watched IK with Khanzada in 'To The Point, IMHO, PTI Media Cell should get together and screen Imran Khan's media priorities.
It seems his interviews are getting repetitive. I am not blaming IK for it, but the anchors are always asking the same idiot questions and interrupting him, not letting him speak or finish sentence and then jumping to the next topic.
When they see IK is getting upset, they start cracking a joke as well. If IK keeps giving interviews to people like this all the time, Pakistani people will not take IK seriously. Please come just once a month for interview and screen and give interviews properly to proper anchors, not every nut job in the business
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
I guess this is misreporting as well.
**ISLAMABAD: **The Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) has empowered its chairman to direct the chief minister to dissolve the Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa Assembly if the federal government did not verify votes in four constituencies of the National Assembly where the party claims electoral fraud took place in the 2013 general elections. The decision was unanimously passed on Wednesday evening.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
Do you realise how you sound by stating Nawaz Sharif has no legitimacy? I am not a fan of NS but he won the election with or without the ‘rigged’ votes. I think I have stated my case well and I am sure most will agree with me generally.
IK should take this to the courts and resolve it there. And not create further drama by threatening to dissolve KP assembly.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
"bashing"?
bash (bsh)
v. bashed, bash·ing, bash·es
v.tr.
1. To strike with a heavy, crushing blow: The thug bashed the hood of the car with a sledgehammer.
2. To beat or assault severely: The police arrested the men who bashed an immigrant in the park.
3. Informal To criticize (another) harshly, accusatorially, and threateningly: "He bashed the . . . government unmercifully over the . . . spy affair" (Lally Weymouth).
v.intr. Informal
To engage in harsh, accusatory, threatening criticism.
actually I personally have in the past liked his actions as a statesman and his public service and philanthropy! but to dissolve a provincial govt in protest over central govt action against terrorists...................reminds me of George Bush's Quote which I think applies in this situation to Imran K Niazi **....You is either for us or against us! **
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
^ chalo theek hay, I'll ask Imran Khan to forever accept all criminals, thugs emerging from Lahore as his mai-baap, leader etc and never to attempt correction of any wrong-doings there.
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
OK, the Sharifs are not clean, but the task of clean up in Imran's Province falls to the Federal Govt, therefore now is not the time to quit in protest is it?
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
Let us put this way,
Country Officially at war, enemy is hidden and extremely dangerous..
Army is engaged and is determined to win what is considered one of the most difficult wars of all times.
Enemies have all kind of support from across the border..
and here is our so-called, oxford graduate, international celebrity and Messiah of the nation, last hope of the country... threatening to bring in chaos and instability in a country at war!!! i often wonder if he is plain stupid or is playing against us??
Our house is on fire and he is there discussing issues which can wait till the fire is controlled.. remind you, he have already asked to temporarily hold the operation... what is he thinking...
Re: IK to dissolve KPK assembly and join PAT all during the NWA operation
I thought Immy is a military darling. Maybe the army doesn't mind his moves. Who knows.....
He is, there is no doubt about it. As long as he tows the line of military. He is teared a part between love of Taliban, the ghairatman pathans and Operation Zarb-i-Azb :)