I want the definition of MUSLIM.

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Mr NMK hajana......
Its not necessary for you to jump in every thread, if you don't have anything to say other than starting a Muslim Qadiyani debate.

Whatever the definition of a Muslim is, you shouldn't worry at all caz, we don't count Qadiyanis muslim anyway
SAWAL GANDUM JAWAB CHANA

Please read the origional post and then answer in each thread you jump into.

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Originally posted by NMK Hajana:
**In 1953, the mullahs of Pakistan staged heavy riots against the Ahmadiyya Jamaat, and killed more than 200 Ahmadies, burnt their houses and shops, and did many other inhuman atrocities against the Ahmadies. These riots were finally controlled by putting a Martial Law in Lahore, and General Azam was the man who put off the fire in half a day. The mullahs quicly retreated when they saw the guns out.

As a result of these riots, the Punjab government of that time appointed a Tribunal, comprising of two senior High Court Judges, to investigate the cause of these riots.

At the end of the investigation a full report was published, which is available by the name of "Inquiruy commission Report 1953". This report says that the 'ulemas' told the court thast the Ahmadies are 'Kaffirs' and some said they are 'Murtad'. So this was the main reason why the riots occurred. But actually all these riots were having a political ambition behind it.

The Judges asked all the 'Ulemas' one common question in the court. They asked them to define who is a 'muslim'....??????

Unfortunately, as the report goes, none of these 'ulemas' was able to give a consolidated definition of a 'muslim'. All of the them gave a varying definition from each other.

THIS IS THE HORRIBLE STATE OF OUR 'ULEMA'. ON BURNING THE INNOCENT PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSES GIVES THEM PLEASURE. BUT THEY KNOW NOT WHAT ISLAM IS....

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[quote]
Originally posted by Afia:

** In my opinion,NMK you should also visit these sites.You will find many verses and hadiths supporting the issue of"KHAKAM-E-NABUWAT.

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Afia !!!!

As I have said before on this forum, this is absolutely like defacing the words of Quran if you people call it Khatm-e-Nabuwat. The mullahs have been having a fun with this ummah by twisting the actual words of Quran into their local dialects. They are fooling the whole of this ummah. In my opinion this is the real blasphemy by thev mullahs against our holy Prophet Mohammad.

Quran has told us that Mohammad (s.a.w.) is not only ther Prophet, but also is Khatim-un-Nabiyeen. Mullahs have changed this word to Khatm-e-Nabuwat to give wrong impression as if the Naboowat has ended now. This is because in Urdu and Punjabi and some other local dialects the word 'khatm' is used as to give the meaning of ending.

But in Quranic and Arabic language the actual word Khatim-un-Nabiyeen does not mean 'end' of prophets. It means the following:

  • the seal of prophets
  • the ring (or the Jewel) of prophets
  • the stamp (or something that creates an
    impression) of prophets

Therefore it means that the Prophet Mohammad is the seal of Prophets or the Ring or the Jewel of Prophets. Which tells us that the future prophets would come only if they carry an authenticity of Prophet Mohammad. All future prophets will get their instructions and their commissioning from our holy Prophet Mohammad. Quran will be the Final teaching of Islam, and all of them must follow the instructions by Quran, and follow Mohammad's path.

I don't see any other meanings in Arabic. If there is someone who can show me other meanings from Arabic I will be grateful, and study it fondly.

There are many Ahadith which qualify these very meanings of the word Khatim-un-Nabiyeen. I quoted those Ahadith , and the verse of Quran, in my thread which was deleted by the moderator.

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Wasir Sahib !!!!!

Either you have not read my post correctly, or it is just a biased reply to ask me not jumping up into the threads.

My reply in this post was absolutely relevant to the topic. The question of definig a 'muslim' has been discussed before in the Tribunal instituted by the government of Punjab in 1953. So what is wrong in giving a reference to that inquiry. Why it hurts you. Is it because you too are a mullah, and see your name marred in this Inquiry Report.

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NMK Hajana, you successfully turned this post in debating about Qadiani/Ahmedi. cong......rats!

I asked in other threads about Mirza Ghulam. what is so special about him? where is he supported in Quran (where did Allah ask us to follow a messenger after Mohammed PBUH)? like in Bible were given attributes of a coming messenger (Mohammed PBUH) .... is there anything in Quran about Mirza Ghulam?

is it required in kalima to acknowledge Mirza Ghulam as nabi/rasool??

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Dear Mr Ganges Khan !!!!!

This thread is discussing the definition of a 'muslim'. So let us keep to it.

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In some verses of Quran 'slay' and 'torture' are glorified in the most disgusting way. How Muslims can regard themselves to be the peacful gentry?

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Originally posted by aMiGo:
Polite, honest, patient, god fearing, caring towards his family and friends, fair, always smiling and never getting angry, respectful, humble in addition to having the muslim faith. Simple.

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**Then almost everybody here is a non-muslim!

PS: On a side note, if you believe in a god, (call it whatever you want) then you not only have Accepted Hinduism, but also practicising it!**

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
** **Then almost everybody here is a non-muslim!

PS: On a side note, if you believe in a god, (call it whatever you want) then you not only have Accepted Hinduism, but also practicising it!**

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please don't mix goat with swine.
in Islam, there is one God... not everything is GOD. and yes, Islam preaches the attributes mentioned by amigo, if someone does not have it ... then it does not mean that Islam does not have it... got it?

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Why do you think I am mixing Hinduism (goat) with Islam(swine)? -as per your comment!

All I am saying is, ** If you believe in god, (you may call it whatever), you have then accepted Gita and are also following Bhagavadh Gita ** (The book given by god, lord Krishna, for the benefit of the entire universe).

That is all!

And FYI, In Hinduism too, there is ** only one Reality **.

Shall we discuss the main topic please?

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[quote]
Originally posted by skv anand:
In some verses of Quran 'slay' and 'torture' are glorified in the most disgusting way. How Muslims can regard themselves to be the peacful gentry?
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yes, it is very easy to pick words and start bashing around. do you know what context they are used in?

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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Dear Changez,

Yes, I know.
And this is the trick. Once you take the side of a blocking mind, you have no option but regard killing as the most god loving agenda.

Rgds

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yes, hinduism (swine) cannot be mixed with Islam (goat). the reason I said, you started talking about Hinduism… you should’ve stuck to the topic

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and I’m talking about ONE GOD. you are dragging it into different context, by saying One reality. GOD is real, and HE is one, not like in Hinduism everything is GOD.

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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yes, and you always fall in the trick, by picking the meaning YOU want… not the meaning GOD wants

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/tongue.gif

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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Stick to the topic.

If you want to discuss the concept of one God in Islam as contrasted or compared with hindu concepts I suggest you open another thread.

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"I think therefore I am." and

"I am therefore I think"