Mukhtar b abu ubaydah thaqafi[ra] was amongst the Tabieen …his father abu ubayda[ra] was martyred in the battle of the bridge [jisr] against the persians …while his uncle was a companion of the Prophet[pbuh] …sa’d b masud [ra]
mukhtar[ra] was in prison at the time of karbala but was released on the recommendation of abdullah b umar[ra] …for a time he cooperated with abdullah b zubair in the defence of hijaz but later developed differences with him and led a movement to avenge the killers of hussain b Ali[as]
Obviously his movement did not have the high degree of spritual devotion that the tawwabun had …actually nowhere near them.But atleast it was a legitimate revolt against the ummayyads
i have no idea if the “moosvi” force is named after him or not
now..tell me who the hell is sahabi by your definition if umar was not.....!!!!!
Sahabi is not the one
1. who burn the house Ali and fatima,and break bone of Fatima (Z), How one Kalifa can burn the house of other kalifa, if both are appointed by Prophet?
2. The one who ignore the call of prophet and say Quran if enough.
3. Who snatch bagh-e-fidak.
4. Change Sariah of Prophet (S) by adding tarabi as part of faith.
At least Zakirs do not encourage Terrorism by reding hadees from Bukhari. The book of Terrorism. Whole world is seeing drama of Sahi-Bukhari talimat
-Kill non-muslims
-if one does not pray kill him/her.
etc.
which historian said that ? the drama that your neighborhood zakir narrates is not history
At least Zakirs do not encourage Terrorism by reding hadees from Bukhari. The book of Terrorism. Whole world is seeing drama of Sahi-Bukhari talimat
-Kill non-muslims
-if one does not pray kill him/her.
etc.
I dont think bukhari is a very authentic book ....esp since 1/2 of its ahadith are narrated by personalites who i dont trust.....does not mean most your zakirs are any better
what is this discussion going to. i cannot understand anything??
it is turning into a sectarian debate ....
I think you know by now that this story is just a fairytale ....the circumstances at the time of karbala were so complicated and tense that the thought that someone from india would come to help Hussain b Ali[as] seems farfetched.
Furthermore what motive did these hindus have to help Hussain who father was the destroyer of Idols and one of the grts enemy of Paganism?
it is turning into a sectarian debate ....
I think you know by now that this story is just a fairytale ....the circumstances at the time of karbala were so complicated and tense that the thought that someone from india would come to help Hussain b Ali[as] seems farfetched.
Furthermore what motive did these hindus have to help Hussain who father was the destroyer of Idols and one of the grts enemy of Paganism?
YOUR word is quiet thought provoking but still we cannot deny that indian sttlements were not present out of india that time. due to open borders trade we can think of indians abroad.slab of vikramaditya was found in arabia ..may be the help was due to good will of Hussain Ali and cultural affinity due to settlement in same area.
sunil dutt and large no of datts cannot lie all together. also they should not be proud of saying them hussaini which is totally against their religion to be associated with muslims. its un imaginable..and
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YOUR word is quiet thought provoking but still we cannot deny that indian sttlements were not present out of india that time. due to open borders trade we can think of indians abroad.slab of vikramaditya was found in arabia
not denying that but to think that a sizable number of hindus participated in an islamic civil war is not authenticated by any accounts....even if a person of indian ethnicity was martyred in karbala it was either because he was a slave of a arab muslim or had converted to Islam
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there is no doubt that all muslims are supposed to have respectful behaviour towards the nonmuslims and Hussain [as] being the leader of the youth of paradise must have set an excellent example but that still does not mean that he embraced their culture.
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also they should not be proud of saying them hussaini which is totally against their religion to be associated with muslims. its un imaginable..and
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quite simply ......their logic of half-hindu +half-muslim= nonmuslim in the eyes of all religious muslims and Hussain[as] was one of the biggest defender of tawheed [oneness of God]
if you are interested in a reliable account of karbala read the work of the great historian abu mikanaf
secondly
the messengers of Imam to kufa which was so close to karbala cannot be dispatched safely by the time yazid’s army surrounded him how can they reach beyond the hindu kush to India?[/size]
it means KARBALA area had totally converted to islam then??brahmins always stood against conversion like in kashmir so may be possilble other hindus had converted not brahmins.. mind parsis still left in Iran after the Islamic conquest
Dear GSians.
It has been a long period of absence on my part. Here I am once again with my humble and meagre knowlegde on the subjcet.
Before the word Hussaini can be explained, there are two more words which if understood can help in understanding the term Hussaini Brahmins. They are Jaafari and Maulai.
Jaafari is used for those Syeds who are from the line of Hazrat Imam Jaafar-al-Sadiq (AS). This term is also used by some of those Shias who are not Syed but on account of their following of Fiqa-e-Jaafaria, use this post-fix in their names.
Second is the term Maulai which is used in some areas by certain people, who are neither Shia, nor Syed but consider Hazrat Ali (KAW) to be Maula (i.e., Master). They can be from any sectarian or religious denomination. They can be Muslims, Sikhs or even Hindus. A few people consider some Sikhs like Baba Guru Nanak as one of them. Mr G. Singh Dara, a pre-partition Sikh advocate, was also considered by some to be a Maulai. He also wrote a marvellous book on Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (SA) by the name "Rasool-e-Arabi'. In the recent times, the Sikh Singer Daler Mehndi after his song "Nabi Booba Nabi Booba" was also labelled to be a Maulai by some. In this song he even used the words "Shah-e-Madina" and "Maula Ali" to whcih he faced a lot of criticism by Indian circles. After that, he clarified in Media that it was his own feelings and that is exactly how he thought. Afterwards he had to change his song from "Nabi Booba Nabi Booba" to "Mehbooba Mehbooba". It is worth mentioning that none of these claimed themselves to be Maulai, but others considered or labelled them as such.
In the same way the word Hussaini has two connotations. Firstly it is strictly applied to those Syeds who are from the direct lineage and family of Hazrat Imam Hussain (AS). Secondly, it is loosely applied to any one who bears allegience, sympathies or claims to have a love for Hazrat Imam Hussain (AS). The term Hussaini Brahmin probably appeared in the court of Nawab Siraj-ud-Daula or Nizam of Deccan. Most probably, it appeard in the time of Nizams who are said to be Shias of Iranian origin. Probably that was the reason, it was renamed "Hyderabad Deccan". During the time of Nizam, 10th of Moharram was regularly comomemorated which was attended by people from all walks of life. During that time, some Hindu Pandits and Brahmins recited eulogies of the great Sacrifice of Hazrat Imam Husaain (AS). They were given the honourific title called "Hussaini Brahmin". It was in their eulogies, that hypothetical mention of Hindus fighting for the cause of Hazrat Imam Hussain (AS) was made. This over a period of time, might have changed from a myth to a fact as pointed out in the mentioned websites.
Rest the truth is known to Allah.
Wassalam.
The term Hussaini Brahmin probably appeared in the court of Nawab Siraj-ud-Daula or Nizam of Deccan. Most probably, it appeard in the time of Nizams who are said to be Shias of Iranian origin. Probably that was the reason, it was renamed "Hyderabad Deccan". During the time of Nizam, 10th of Moharram was regularly comomemorated which was attended by people from all walks of life. During that time, some Hindu Pandits and Brahmins recited eulogies of the great Sacrifice of Hazrat Imam Husaain (AS). They were given the honourific title called "Hussaini Brahmin". It was in their eulogies, that hypothetical mention of Hindus fighting for the cause of Hazrat Imam Hussain (AS) was made. This over a period of time, might have changed from a myth to a fact as pointed out in the mentioned websites.
Rest the truth is known to Allah.
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Wassalam.
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great post brother and you clarified the matter, it was the political reasons why hindus showed such devotion to Hussain b Ali[as]