religion has always conflicted with science, nussairee.. the church has murdered numerous men of science for stating facts such as the earth revolves around the sun. it is the same all over with evolution now.
not everybody who discusses science is a scientist........similarly not everybody who acts on the name of religion is necessarily religious in the true sense..........the religion I believe in asks of me to ponder, question, and challenge.......
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religious scripture is not in language suitable to describe facts unambiguously. there is enormous leeway for interpretation even when it comes to relatively simpler ethical guidelines. (eg. is smoking forbidden?) interpretation of such language is left to ordinary mortals with fairly narrow vision who look to the 4th century arabia's way of life as guidance. and deem scripture to be at conflict with what is widely accepted as the truth in the scientific community today.
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I absolutely agree with u but show me where God or the Prophet say that the right of interpretion is in the hands of the ordinary subjects?........not the greatest of examples but can a gudha gari rider who has never driven a car in his life race around in a Lamborghini?........such a thing will only result in disaster and a mishap.....
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science, even with religion, can be fairly lethal. most people who are busy killing others aren't godless atheists.
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but most of the oppressed ones throughout history have been the faithfuls oppressed by the ones in the guise of religion.......representative after representative of God was slaughtered not by the unbelievers but the so called followers of the faith themselves.........thus Quran condemns Jews, Christians, and Muslims as much as it does the non-believers..........in fact Muslims r criticized and condemned more than the Jews and Christians.........it only praises and gives glad tidings to those who actually believe and follow it with action rather than providing just the lip service and acting in contrary with the divine teachings......
Jaanaan, there r several traditions from Ahlulbayt who told us that there was never any incest but there were female or females sent by Allah for the children of Adam to help continue the human lineage....
huh?
why didn't he just make another pair. that would have had been a lot easier.
^ I didn't know that the number of Muslims + Christians + Jews doesn't make it to the half of the population of the world.
@ Janaan. Everytime a Twin (consisting of a boy and a girl) were born. Each Twin was born in a different way (Allah (swt) knows how), making that pair different than the other twin. A person couldn't marry with his/her own twin brother/sister but was allowed to marry the person of opposite gender from another twin born at another time.
The fight between Haabil and Qaabil was due to this fact that Qabil was only allowed to marry Haabil's sister and vice versa. But Qaabil thought that His own sister was more beautiful that Haabil's and hence....he got jealous.
^ The version I have heard. Might be incorrect.
but still they were born of the same parents and, so, brothers and sisters.
huh?
why didn't he just make another pair. that would have had been a lot easier.
I might start guessing too but if u want to hear the traditional view then it is that Hoor al Ein were sent by Allah SWT to be paired with Habeel and Qabeel and the human reproduction started to take place.........here is a few references for u if u r interested in researching this......
Mustadrak Al-Wasael by Al-Noori, vol. 14, pg. 362.
Behar Al-Anwar by Al-Majlisi, vol. 11, pg. 227-28.
Qasas Al-anbia by Al-Jaza'eri, pg. 65-66.
Thank You very much for pointing this out to the many misguided.
Like the opener mentioned, It wouldnt have been impossible for Allah Almighty to create a second batch Proves the point that Allah has power over everything and He does what he wills. Hence, At the time of Adams and Eves creation Incest was permissible.
Plus, the fact that Allah Almighty created Prophet Muhammad SAW’s Noor from His Noor and one day it was to be born, Now if a second batch was created lets just say… then in which batch would Allah Almighty place the Noor of Prophet SAW..
To conclude, Let leave it at that, and DO NOT CHALLANGE ALLAH ALMIGHTY of his actions as to why he allowed incest, Hence Allah is all wise and qaadir (wise and Powerful - He does what he wills) and leave it at that.
Those who have e-maan do not question the wisdom of Allah(SWT). Those who have doubts will always come up with the next best question.
If Allah(SWT) created two couples and allowed intermarriages among the off-springs of those couples then those who raise doubts will come up with some other question. It never ends.
For me it is enough that Allah knows the best. Allah created us and Allah knew what is best for us and when.
I might start guessing too but if u want to hear the traditional view then it is that Hoor al Ein were sent by Allah SWT to be paired with Habeel and Qabeel and the human reproduction started to take place.........here is a few references for u if u r interested in researching this......
Mustadrak Al-Wasael by Al-Noori, vol. 14, pg. 362.
Behar Al-Anwar by Al-Majlisi, vol. 11, pg. 227-28.
Qasas Al-anbia by Al-Jaza'eri, pg. 65-66.
story of Lut comes to mind when Angels were sent down to his home in the form of humans.....and the ppl of Lut tried to engage in sexual relationship with these angels.......
there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the idea that we might have a mix of hoors in us........the Quran contains many references to Hoor al ein and men r promised them as a reward in return for good deeds..........
I do not know which book Catholics follow but biblical teachings show no problem in cousin marriages. Abraham married his half sister. Isaac married his first cousin. Jacob married his first cousins - two of them. There is no historical record, or at least I am unaware of any, where Prophet of Islam declared that permissiblity of cousin-marriage was something of a new rule.
story of Lut comes to mind when Angels were sent down to his home in the form of humans.....and the ppl of Lut tried to engage in sexual relationship with these angels.......
there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the idea that we might have a mix of hoors in us........the Quran contains many references to Hoor al ein and men r promised them as a reward in return for good deeds..........
I don't know how authentic it is but quite an interesting idea.
I do not know which book Catholics follow but biblical teachings show no problem in cousin marriages. Abraham married his half sister. Isaac married his first cousin. Jacob married his first cousins - two of them. There is no historical record, or at least I am unaware of any, where Prophet of Islam declared that permissiblity of cousin-marriage was something of a new rule.
I agree. I was referring to the catholic church teaching and not Christianity in general.
story of Lut comes to mind when Angels were sent down to his home in the form of humans.....and the ppl of Lut tried to engage in sexual relationship with these angels.......
there is nothing fundamentally wrong with the idea that we might have a mix of hoors in us........the Quran contains many references to Hoor al ein and men r promised them as a reward in return for good deeds..........
Peace Nussairee
This is long stretch analogy ... here is why ... The people of Lut are not a people who were following their natural way to use their habit as justification for a possibility of mixed species is not logical. Furthermore, the angels came in the form of men not "humans" which include men and women but "handsome ... nay beautiful MEN" and the MEN of Lut tried to get a bit of action with them out of the lusts.
If those angels were indeed men then the habit of the people of Lut would NOT create offspring ... they were not doing it to have kids, they doing it to have their sick fun and avoid kids.
The problem with the Hoor story is that it does not exist in authentic stories and could well have been made up to satisfy the question of "early humans being allowed to marry their siblings" - it seems like someone didn't like this idea and made up the alternative story.
^the main analogy I was taking from the story of Lut was that even angels have been known to visit earth in human form......similarly Allah sending hoors in the form of humans to Habeel and Qabeel can make sense.........that was the main point and not the procreation......
the narrative of hoors is backed by the Sunni books too one of them being Qasas ul Ambiya.......I can just as well say that the story of incest was invented by somebody who did not know the answer to the question.....or may be copied of the Jews who atttribute almost every bad manner under the sun to the Prophets of Allah....... this question needs more research before reaching some sort of conclusion........
btw if u do know of any references or any alternate accounts then please do go ahead and share with us for the benefit of myself and others.....thanks.
